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Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
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Posted - 2012.12.30 23:22:00 -
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Hi. I am a long time eve player with quite some sp (over 20 Mil, many in Industry), just came back from a break of 1.5 years.
Currently I am flying a T2 fitted Megathron Navy Issue with some faction stuff, a Dominix, a Hulk, some T2 ships with some nice stuff on them. I also use the Assault Ship for LvL 4 Missions sometimes. I am running Missions, do Mining, Production, some casual PvP and overall have fun with the game.
But I am craving for some variety in my hangar and a new goal besides of getting a freighter. So I thought about getting a Proteus for Missions. Too expensive for PvP. But as it turns out, everyone says it is not viable and I can see why. A few webbers and it goes boom probably since transversal is a vital part of the tank.
The next option would be a Marauder, but imho it ain't worth it. It does not do considerable more damage and for looting a Noctis is way better. So I can't see the advantage here.
I could go for an officer fitting but if someone finds out I am gonna be a target. I fear an Ishtar is not as viable anymore wth the latest changes.
So, can I still evolve in terms of my ships? Or is this it and I reached the end of the line? I am simply looking for some advice. |
Kery Nysell
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.12.30 23:44:00 -
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Branch out to another race ?
You look like you have good Hybrid skills, there are a lot of Caldari ships that use them ... |
Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
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Posted - 2012.12.30 23:51:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:Branch out to another race ?
You look like you have good Hybrid skills, there are a lot of Caldari ships that use them ...
No offense, but I think Gallente Ships are better when it comes to Hybrid. I could learn Missiles and Shield and branch out to either Caldari or Minmatar. In fact, I already have some Missile Skills due to experiments with Caldari Ships, but is there nothing viable in the Gallente Branch beyond what I am capable of flying / fitting? |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.12.30 23:52:00 -
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you do know that proteus do not have to be nano? usual dual rep prot tanks everything while perma AB and shooting left and right. Ans trust me. maras do worth it. |
Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
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Posted - 2012.12.31 00:00:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:you do know that proteus do not have to be nano? usual dual rep prot tanks everything while perma AB and shooting left and right. Ans trust me. maras do worth it.
Yeah I know it does not have to be Nano. I came up with this basic fit:
Quote: [Proteus, Proteus PvE] Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
So I posted this to some forums and I was told it cannot hold it's own in the more damage heavy and ECM rich missions. It looks good in EFT, but I don't want to rely on EFT only. So if anyone can come up with some real experience regarding the Proteus and LvL 4 Missions, I would be very glad to hear it. Let's assume I am webbed, scrambled and dampened to 10km which is quite common for me against Serpentis. Can this fit survive long enough to kill the enemy in close range? I have no experience with T3's what so ever. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
698
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Posted - 2012.12.31 04:11:00 -
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charizard. definitely charizard.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Batelle
Aliastra
99
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Posted - 2012.12.31 05:51:00 -
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lol so you've flown a few battleships and now you feel its the end of the line for you just because the proteus isn't a valid option for what you want? There's tons of other ship classes that its worth being familiar with. The Golem - The "Meh" of Marauders |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
243
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Posted - 2012.12.31 06:21:00 -
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At 20million skillpoints you're probably not flying much with good skills, given that you're split between indy and combat. Train your support skills for a bit.
Also, that proteus fit you posted does ~580 DPS, which for highsec pve is pitiful. Use a dominix instead, it can push nearly 1500 while still maintaining a decent tank. Or a vindi if you prefer rails, since it gets about the same DPS. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1557
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Posted - 2012.12.31 09:27:00 -
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Proteus, ubiquitous for it's paper thin tank I tried to remove this sig. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:42:00 -
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vindi for the windi
then go incursioning, get lots of isk, get deadspace fits, get pirate cruisers and have fun in PvP |
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Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
741
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:45:00 -
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Just get all Racial BS skills to V, you'll need them later on anyway. To be effective as a pirate faction pilot or a marauder pilot. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2012.12.31 17:07:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:vindi for the windi
then go incursioning, get lots of isk, get deadspace fits, get pirate cruisers and have fun in PvP I used to run vanguards using a vindi and a pair of basilisk alts, + some scrub alts sitting on the gate to collect payouts, the isk was insane and I became very aware of how absurd 90% webs can be (and I much better understand why they were nerfed ages ago) |
Backfyre
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.31 17:22:00 -
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Proteus and Kronos are both effective L4 mission boats. With the proteus, just shoot the webbers first. Kronos is kind of easy mode - lots of powergrid and cap make for easy fitting.
With proteus, I use a dissolution sequencer to give solid resists to ECM as well as being able to start slapping frigates out to 90k. With your posted proteus fit, try T2 CCC rigs. You may also be over-tanked. I personally use different subsystems - get 5 highs but 4 mids, where I stick a tracking computer. I can typically fit 2 damage mods. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.12.31 17:34:00 -
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You would incursion with only 1 ship doing DPS?
Meh, I was just thinking go to some group (like TVP) in a shield fit hyperion, then earn the isk for a vindi, and then go with some group that requires higher-end fits (since if everyone is flying a better ship, you make isk faster).
Pimp it out, get used to making hundred of million of isk per day (just playing a few hours), then use the ISK flow to fund some PvP.
Of course as others have said.... cross-train, those pirate faction ships are awesome, and you're less affected by balancing changes
Or train some T2 pvp ships (although I think the recent changes have made caldari a bit better, ever since they got hybrid damage bonuses in place of range bonuses, but kept the resist bonuses - which give a larger buffer and better EHP rep rate, plus shield tanks are faster and can use the ASB) - though T2 aren't so great at the moment given all the t1 rebalance that has been done.
Or...
get a Navy Dominix, I like it much better than the navy Megathron. It can shield tank a lot better, a shield tanked gank fit can also throw out some pretty impressive DPS (over 1000, >500 from rails >500 from drones) Deadspace invulns/hardeners/shield boosters will let you use less mids to tank, and still fit omnis and TCs to apply that damage Or consider that an Armor tank basically gives you a free EM hardener and a free thermal resistance amp, while a shield tank effectively gives you a free EXp hardener and a free kineetic amp - fit shield or armor tank depending on the rat type you face - shield for angels, armor for sansha/Blood raiders, as you wish for Guristas or serpentis... etc (guristas and serp, as they deal more kinetic than thermal, and the base resists for shields are higher than armor for kin 40 vs 35, but the thermal resist is lower 20 vs 35) |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
108
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Posted - 2012.12.31 17:42:00 -
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If you're still wanting to do hi sec PvE, I'd totally go with the Marauder! Since alt Noctis' are no longer viable to use because of the aggro changes, these are the best ships to make the most ISK in lvl 4's efficiently. Salvage prices are headed skyward. A ship that can apply DPS without drones and use tractor beams, and salvage all at the same time is a win in that respect! -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
Cambarus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
245
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:03:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:You would incursion with only 1 ship doing DPS?
Used to be that the vindi could clear an NCO in 6 minutes between payouts, NMCs about 10-12 minutes, and I didn't bother with OTAs. It's only about half the speed of a proper fleet, but when you're looking at getting 6-8 payouts per site and you don't have to wait on other people who go afk/take time to form up, the isk piles up VERY quickly. Even now I'd bet NCOs wouldn't take more than 7-8 minutes or so, but I haven't run them since the last batch of changes so I can't be sure. You would be amazed at how much time gets lost in sites with people locking the same targets/warping together/being inattentive. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
338
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Marauders are not an option because your at-least 12M sp away from flying one effectively. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1049
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:49:00 -
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Sounds like you spend an awfully large amount of time listening to what others have to say. Try some out yourself.
No the proteus isn't the best mission runner. Medium rails are still basically crap, and blasters have no range.
But IMO a proteus can be some of the most fun running missions. It can tank like a beast, and it can be tons of fun burning into those NPC battleships and then ripping them to shreds.
Ishtar still works fine. An Ishtar always shined as a sentry platform. Sentries actually tank like a boss, so just orbit them and throw a small RR in the highs. Some missions even before retribution I would let my drones take agro cause I could keep them alive easy enough and if not just pull and redeploy. with some omnis fit, sentries will blap most if not all of the frigates before they even get in range.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
430
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:10:00 -
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20 mill SP is not much.. at all.. Train other stuff? |
Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:28:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Hi. I am a long time eve player with quite some sp (over 20 Mil, many in Industry), just came back from a break of 1.5 years.
Currently I am flying a T2 fitted Megathron Navy Issue with some faction stuff, a Dominix, a Hulk, some T2 ships with some nice stuff on them. I also use the Assault Ship for LvL 4 Missions sometimes. I am running Missions, do Mining, Production, some casual PvP and overall have fun with the game.
But I am craving for some variety in my hangar and a new goal besides of getting a freighter. So I thought about getting a Proteus for Missions. Too expensive for PvP. But as it turns out, everyone says it is not viable and I can see why. A few webbers and it goes boom probably since transversal is a vital part of the tank.
The next option would be a Marauder, but imho it ain't worth it. It does not do considerable more damage and for looting a Noctis is way better. So I can't see the advantage here.
I could go for an officer fitting but if someone finds out I am gonna be a target. I fear an Ishtar is not as viable anymore wth the latest changes.
So, can I still evolve in terms of my ships? Or is this it and I reached the end of the line? I am simply looking for some advice.
If you are bored with what you have been flying just train up all of the racial cruisers to 5. In my opinion they are by and far the best skills you can train in the game. They open up SOOOOOO many different ships. Recons, Logis, HACs, t3s, etc, etc.
Just make sure you have already trained up Battle Cruisers 5, Destroyers 5, all racial frigs 4, and all racial cruisers 3. |
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Rajere
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
8
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Posted - 2013.01.15 07:20:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:20 mill SP is not much.. at all.. Train other stuff? Hey I only have 20mil sp....in gunnery
seriously OP if you're flying a hulk, doing mining/production/etc as part of your 20mil you've got maybe 10mil in space violence skills which whether pve or pvp is not quite terrible but no where near the end of any sort of "line," not even for a single ship class of a single race.
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Knorkor
Spartan Advanced Mining It's Not Fair
10
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Posted - 2013.01.15 15:56:00 -
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Rajere wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:20 mill SP is not much.. at all.. Train other stuff? Hey I only have 20mil sp.... in gunneryseriously OP if you're flying a hulk, doing mining/production/etc as part of your 20mil you've got maybe 10mil in space violence skills which whether pve or pvp is not quite terrible but no where near the end of any sort of "line," not even for a single ship class of a single race.
I got BS at IV, Large Hybrid Spec at III and Fitting Skills at 5. Could train BS V, but my plan was a T3, so I did not see the purpose of it atm. Anyhow, I decided to go Minmatar for now since I moved to Space that is infested with Angels and for pvp I can still fly Gallente, maybe even a T3 in the future. |
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