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Casius Omega
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:14:00 -
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Trying to decide whether to use a maruader or a pirate battleship. The obv difference would be the ability to salvage and loot at the same time. Is salvage/looting worth the time oppose to doing another mission? |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:40:00 -
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depends on who you mission against. Personally with guristas i wouldnt bother, the rest is ok. Mercs MUST be looted at least, the are most profitable enemy in game. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
710
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Posted - 2013.01.01 02:03:00 -
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depends not only on the rat type but also on the mission. gone berserk is a pinata (up to 30mil salvage).
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4719
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Posted - 2013.01.01 20:22:00 -
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Also depends on NPC ship class, ie: large and medium wrecks would definitely be worth the time.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
621
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:42:00 -
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Pirate BS + noctis is the way to go IMHO. With mineral prices up its worth it to loot and salvage every single wreck.i That takes too long in a marauder IMHO. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Deucaliona
Penumbra Institute Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2013.01.01 23:07:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Pirate BS + noctis is the way to go IMHO. With mineral prices up its worth it to loot and salvage every single wreck.i That takes too long in a marauder IMHO. Actually regardless of my opinion. It takes longer than a noctis.
When i used to run IV's with marauder id salvage at the same time as shooting things. Typically id have a few left over at the end but i think faster than warping back to station to get noctis(in some cases jumping gates) |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
621
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Posted - 2013.01.02 05:15:00 -
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Deucaliona wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Pirate BS + noctis is the way to go IMHO. With mineral prices up its worth it to loot and salvage every single wreck.i That takes too long in a marauder IMHO. Actually regardless of my opinion. It takes longer than a noctis. When i used to run IV's with marauder id salvage at the same time as shooting things. Typically id have a few left over at the end but i think faster than warping back to station to get noctis(in some cases jumping gates)
Yeah running one mission at a time perhaps. I take multiple missions, finish them, turn them in, then salvage. No acceleration gates that way. Your destination is already bookmarked, and you can run nano's now that salvage has been reduced.
From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
532
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Posted - 2013.01.02 05:25:00 -
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Drones and Guristas are never worth salvaging. Always loot Mercs, EOM, and Mordus Legion. They espcaped the nerf bat when CCP nerfed loot table. Others are mission dependent, numerous BS rats -> salvage. Faction rats are worth looting for the tags alone, although 2 sides' tags are disproportionally overpriced compared to the other 2, due to the current state of FW farming. It also means LP on the side you farm the more expensive tags for are worth less. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
136
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Posted - 2013.01.02 07:42:00 -
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My alt account is soon trained for a properly fit Noctis, but even now I salvage all missions. It takes maybe 5 minutes to salvage with the Noctis and that way I don't have to compromise my combat-ship fit.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
367
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Posted - 2013.01.02 07:47:00 -
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It's maybe just me but it seems that higher-tier rats (ones with better bounties) generally drop better loot comparewd to their analogues. So if during Mining Misappropriation you see a lot of non-empty wrecks, this may be worth your time as well.
Generally, bring your spreadsheet to see what kind of ISK/hour you make in average to decide if it's worth it in general. |
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Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
186
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Posted - 2013.01.02 08:52:00 -
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I used to use a marauder and loot and salvage on the go. Lately my mach has been the mission ship of choice.
I get through the missions quicker but the free plex each month that I used to get from the loot / salvage is brought in mission isk instead.
If you save up all the loot and salvage from running in a marauder, it is a nice bonus pay day when you cash it in.. |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
205
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Posted - 2013.01.02 10:38:00 -
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Casius Omega wrote:Trying to decide whether to use a maruader or a pirate battleship. The obv difference would be the ability to salvage and loot at the same time. Is salvage/looting worth the time oppose to doing another mission?
If you do missions in 0.5-0.6 then looting and salvaging is not worth bothering. It also depends on your LP=ISK ratio. If your ratio is more that 1500 then don't waste your time on loot/slv.
I was experimenting for 2 weeks. I did missions in Vargur for 1 week, looting and salvaging. Then I did the same with Mach for a week, only with no loot and salv. After 2 weeks I compared my ISK values earned each week. In conclusion I made 37% more money with my Mach with no looting and salvaging. At that time my ISK ratio was 1700.
TL;DR You will be making 40-50% more money if you don't loot/salvage and if your LP=ISK ratio is more than 1500. Whatever. |
Bjron
501st VF
95
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Posted - 2013.01.02 13:14:00 -
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Take this how you will, but its what I figured up after doing my first 4, level 4 missions.
I ran two accounts, this one and my other account in a noctis. I cleared all rooms then warped the noctis in, and the battleship back to home base.
My first missions turned out to be, Duo of death, Blockade and then Worlds collide (both blood raiders) then the hand of abbazabba or something.
I managed a bit over 30 million in total for all loot, I salvaged and picked up everything (even scored a MWD for my noctis because I forgot to grab one in amarr) and melted everything I could into minerals.
I think i came closer to getting about 33-37M because I rounded down to the nearest whole number when I looked out what I came out with.
I don't run 4's super fast or anything, and keeping my alt on stand by ready to warp in removed the need to change ships and dock/undock time.
I suppose if a person could run them really fast it would be more worth it to just leave the junk floating around, or find a second person to just salvage and split the loot 50/50.
I, personally am not all that worried about MAXIMUM isk/hour, I just like to pew pew and salvaging gives me a extra bit of isk and some minerals/salvage I can save up or sell. |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
48
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Posted - 2013.01.02 13:16:00 -
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When i was running l4 with this toon, i thought salvaging was a waste of time. I'm doing l4 with my alt ATM using a nightmare and i have a salvager + tractor beam fitted and some missions really, really worth being salvaged. Ennemies abound can easily gives you 100m in salvage. I mostly only salvage BS and sometime, medium wrecks. Small is a waste of time. |
Aaarghaent Arraghanenet
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.02 13:50:00 -
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I recommend salvaging in marauder on go. After few days of doing lvl 4's i usually make around 300m in salvage and loot from bs wrecks. If you feel that you can afford second account - dedicated salvager will be an option. |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2013.01.02 18:23:00 -
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Use a marauder with 3 tractor beams and salvage drones. Kill frigates first, then release salvage drones, they aren't agro'd by any cruiser or battleship. Tractor in the cargo containers as they salvage. Profit.
P.S. faster than noctis, please don't listen too inexperienced pilots. |
Brent Oskold
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.03 02:26:00 -
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Well ccp butt raped the salvage about 2 years back. Now loot and salvage is pretty much all garbage. A L5 mission might bring you 20m in salvage and loot. Won't be much longer and ccp will pull the plug on missions altogether to force us all to pvp or quit. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
306
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:42:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Use a marauder with 3 tractor beams and salvage drones. Kill frigates first, then release salvage drones, they aren't agro'd by any cruiser or battleship. Tractor in the cargo containers as they salvage. Profit.
P.S. faster than noctis, please don't listen too inexperienced pilots.
Im also reading almost all of these posters are totally Jelly , Totally BSing their brains out with absolutely no clue as to what their talking about without ever stepping foot into a marauder.
I was just about to say, Salvage and loot as you shoot - take's zero minutes off of the mission time, you just gotta click really really fast, during the heavy fighting part of the mission, Pulsing tank, handpicking wrecks, choosing targets wisely etc etc.
The way I do it, I always blow up the Frigates off the field first, as soon as the frigs are gone, I abandon all wrecks, makes picking the good ones from the bad ones as easy as pie. With some missions you cant do it like that but, Most of them you can.
Wasting a PLEX on a Noctis account is worthless, as this, noctis alt could be in a Pirate battleship/2nd Marauder (one of them is advisable to be marauder) and you could be Dual boxing most missions in under 1 min with like 3000 DPS, paying a noobie 50% of the loot/salvage and walking away in a much better position.
But the salvage drones with 3 tractor beams IM DEFINATLY going to try that right now! Awesome Idea! |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
277
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Posted - 2013.01.03 04:53:00 -
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It's worth it, easiest way is return in noctis reel in wrecks release salvage drones once all wrecks are around you (make sure your not targeting and command "salvage") and watch or go akf while the little buggers go to work. Once they are done just open all the cans and press loot loot loot loot loot loot loot....it's soooo nice, I only have 2 salvagers on my noctis. [list]
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Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
138
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Posted - 2013.01.03 05:36:00 -
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I use a pirate BS then come back and salvage, but I salvage everything these days. Salvaging while missioning in 1 ship is slow.. but it is up to your play style... why not try it on the test server if you have the skills and see what you prefer |
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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
143
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Posted - 2013.01.03 06:16:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:bongsmoke wrote:Use a marauder with 3 tractor beams and salvage drones. Kill frigates first, then release salvage drones, they aren't agro'd by any cruiser or battleship. Tractor in the cargo containers as they salvage. Profit.
P.S. faster than noctis, please don't listen too inexperienced pilots. Im also reading almost all of these posters are totally Jelly , Totally BSing their brains out with absolutely no clue as to what their talking about without ever stepping foot into a marauder. I was just about to say, Salvage and loot as you shoot - take's zero minutes off of the mission time, you just gotta click really really fast, during the heavy fighting part of the mission, Pulsing tank, handpicking wrecks, choosing targets wisely etc etc. The way I do it, I always blow up the Frigates off the field first, as soon as the frigs are gone, I abandon all wrecks, makes picking the good ones from the bad ones as easy as pie. With some missions you cant do it like that but, Most of them you can. Wasting a PLEX on a Noctis account is worthless, as this, noctis alt could be in a Pirate battleship/2nd Marauder (one of them is advisable to be marauder) and you could be Dual boxing most missions in under 1 min with like 3000 DPS, paying a noobie 50% of the loot/salvage and walking away in a much better position. But the salvage drones with 3 tractor beams IM DEFINATLY going to try that right now! Awesome Idea!
So when you're flying 2 marauders, what exactly are you doing lvl 4 missions for? |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
308
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Posted - 2013.01.03 06:38:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Kara Books wrote:bongsmoke wrote:Use a marauder with 3 tractor beams and salvage drones. Kill frigates first, then release salvage drones, they aren't agro'd by any cruiser or battleship. Tractor in the cargo containers as they salvage. Profit.
P.S. faster than noctis, please don't listen too inexperienced pilots. Im also reading almost all of these posters are totally Jelly , Totally BSing their brains out with absolutely no clue as to what their talking about without ever stepping foot into a marauder. I was just about to say, Salvage and loot as you shoot - take's zero minutes off of the mission time, you just gotta click really really fast, during the heavy fighting part of the mission, Pulsing tank, handpicking wrecks, choosing targets wisely etc etc. The way I do it, I always blow up the Frigates off the field first, as soon as the frigs are gone, I abandon all wrecks, makes picking the good ones from the bad ones as easy as pie. With some missions you cant do it like that but, Most of them you can. Wasting a PLEX on a Noctis account is worthless, as this, noctis alt could be in a Pirate battleship/2nd Marauder (one of them is advisable to be marauder) and you could be Dual boxing most missions in under 1 min with like 3000 DPS, paying a noobie 50% of the loot/salvage and walking away in a much better position. But the salvage drones with 3 tractor beams IM DEFINATLY going to try that right now! Awesome Idea! So when you're flying 2 marauders, what exactly are you doing lvl 4 missions for?
Because I might ****** feel like it, Problem?
(edited) Don't want to abuse the language detector- once again, because I felt like it. |
Texty
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.01.03 07:18:00 -
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Casius Omega wrote:Trying to decide whether to use a maruader or a pirate battleship. The obv difference would be the ability to salvage and loot at the same time. Is salvage/looting worth the time oppose to doing another mission? As many people have already pointed out, the value of loot / salvage depends on the mission so it is not appropriate to just say to or not to. Try looting every single mission for a while and you'll gradually learn which one you would want to loot and which one to skip.
Also, when you are flying a marauder, you should be literally killing and looting at the same time. Just pick the juicy wrecks and as you finish killing the rats, move on to the next room / mission. Leave the less-profitable wrecks (frigate / drone stuff) behind. No down time for looting. This way, you might be killing slower than a faction BS but you'll be making more ISK (provided we are not considering "blitz" style here.) If you already know your mission has crappy loot, you can use your faction BS for that.
If you are for max income, take some time researching the LP store and go "blitz with Machariel" route.
I hope you have fun finding which style suits you best. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
308
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Posted - 2013.01.03 07:55:00 -
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Texty wrote:Casius Omega wrote:Trying to decide whether to use a maruader or a pirate battleship. The obv difference would be the ability to salvage and loot at the same time. Is salvage/looting worth the time oppose to doing another mission? As many people have already pointed out, the value of loot / salvage depends on the mission so it is not appropriate to just say to or not to. Try looting every single mission for a while and you'll gradually learn which one you would want to loot and which one to skip. Also, when you are flying a marauder, you should be literally killing and looting at the same time. Just pick the juicy wrecks and as you finish killing the rats, move on to the next room / mission. Leave the less-profitable wrecks (frigate / drone stuff) behind. No down time for looting. This way, you might be killing slower than a faction BS but you'll be making more ISK (provided we are not considering "blitz" style here.) If you already know your mission has crappy loot, you can use your faction BS for that. If you are for max income, take some time researching the LP store and go "blitz with Machariel" route. I hope you have fun finding which style suits you best.
pretty much points out 90% of the information on how to get away with a 800m- bil per day missioning |
Bjron
501st VF
97
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Posted - 2013.01.03 12:39:00 -
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So, I guess it comes down to personal choice then. All I had to offer was my input as a new level 4 runner, with a second account. my second account was really going towards mining/manufacturing I just picked up a noctis along the way.
I personally started buying a year at a time, its cheaper (imo) and I don't want to play Eve to try and pay for Eve.
I figured since my other account was going for a hulk/orca at the moment, why not tag along and pick up the junk? After melting down the loot and selling off the salvage my second account ended up with a bit over 40M form two days worth of level 4's. Almost enough to make it back even on the noctis.
Oh yeah, maximum isk/hour, 110% efficient and all that jazz, I play for "buzzword" and as that is "subjective" so YMMV.
Edit, If you wanted max isk/hour a Marauder or dual boxing two mission runners would likely be faster. But you would have to know what missions to loot, and what ships in what mission.
Edit again. I don't even skip missions, I do every mission I am offered because "lol faction standings". |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
36
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:46:00 -
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Marauders are really best for single account players. If you're dual boxing then pirate bs with noctis is the way to go imo. |
PavlikX
Shadows of the Day HeII Gate Alliance
36
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:07:00 -
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Disagree here. Loot and salvage marauder is too boring - it's slow and have such posibilities as Noctis. I am playing with single account. After running few missions with droped bookmarks i return then with my noctis to the "clear field" with wrecks. For that reqason a think thhat entire marauder class should be reworked |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
535
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:12:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:Disagree here. Loot and salvage marauder is too boring - it's slow and have such posibilities as Noctis. I am playing with single account. After running few missions with droped bookmarks i return then with my noctis to the "clear field" with wrecks. For that reqason a think thhat entire marauder class should be reworked
Don't stay and salvage with the marauder once you stop shooting. Grab whatever you can during while the guns are running, prioritize shooting and moving, then whatever loot you grab on the way is free. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
310
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Posted - 2013.01.03 20:40:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:PavlikX wrote:Disagree here. Loot and salvage marauder is too boring - it's slow and have such posibilities as Noctis. I am playing with single account. After running few missions with droped bookmarks i return then with my noctis to the "clear field" with wrecks. For that reqason a think thhat entire marauder class should be reworked Don't stay and salvage with the marauder once you stop shooting. Grab whatever you can during while the guns are running, prioritize shooting and moving, then whatever loot you grab on the way is free.
Depends on the mission, Sometimes you get that one in Amarr space against EoM, forget loot and shoot, just shoot loot and loot and Loot and loot =) I always end up staying a good 3-5min extra on the field to make sure I get everything |
Simbellah
A-Fission Industries
2
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Posted - 2013.01.04 02:16:00 -
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I've been using a (fast moving) marauder with salvage drones - 3 tractor beams for a few weeks now and it's the best for me. Less hassle. I hit the afterburner and pop everything chasing me from smallest to biggest in that order - their Transvaal gets low when they chase and they pop much faster if in the shallows of falloff range.
I kill 1/2 the level and then launch them - they never get attacked (even by frigates, i've noticed), but you want then near in case you need to switch-out drones quickly.
The trick is NOT to target anything when you order them to salvage. Then they will salvage the closest thing to you, repeatedly. Your job then is to use the the tractor beams (49,000 with T2's) to bring everything to you and they will hang around and rip right through it all quickly (since they don't have to travel much).
If you select a wreck and then order the salvage, the drones do it and stop. - terribly repetitive. Don't do this.
SO...
Salvage, yes. Everything.
Pluck out only the very best stuff
Hand off salvage to your rig builders and meta 4 parts to your "inventors" - raises chance of success.
Melt almost everything else down at the end of the night or week.
It's nice bonus ISK.
note - I usually kill Serpentis and Angels and make a meager 40-50 mil per session (2-3 hrs). I'm not fast, but I' also not bored.
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