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Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:26:00 -
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Best two datacores for Amarr , cost is 50k + 50 LP for each Datacore GÇô High Energy Phy 148k in Jita = 1960 isk per LP Datacore GÇô Nanite Control 127k in Jita = 1540 isk per LP
Best two datacores for Minnies
Datacore - Hydromagnetic - 94k in Jita = 880 isk per LP Datacore - Molecular Eng - 89k in Jita = 780 isk per LP
Novice plex for amarr = 10k LP or 19.6m isk with best datacore Novice for Minnies with current 75% boost is 17,500 LP or 15.4 mill isk When minnies slip into T4 it is 22m isk
Minnie T4 is around 10-12m isk more per hour if selling datacores
At T3 you make 18-20m less per hour than Amarr T2 selling datacores
Faction Battleships
Navy Geddon 321m in Jita, 106m cost for geddon + chip = 215m profit for 150k LP 1,433 isk per LP 215m profit in 15 novice plexes (150k LP)
Typhoon Fleet Issue 256m in Jita, 122m cost for Phoon + chip = 134m profit for 150k LP 894 isk per LP 234m profit in 15 novice plexes (262,500 LP)
Now take in the fact that, your earning less per LP, but gaining a lot more LP, this means you need to sell more items to get the same isk, a lot more items, nearly 2 Typhoon Fleet Issues for every 1 Ngeddon
this means more hauling, more RFF contracts, more fiddling on your market alt playing the ol' .01isk war in Jita
Even more so at T4
15 Novice Amarr Plexs = 150k LP, or 3,000 Datacore - High Energy Phy, 294mill isk profit 15 Novice Minnie Plex T4 = 375k LP, or 7,500 Datacores - Hydromagnetic, 330mill isk profit
So you "made" an extra 35mill in 2 hours work, but get to fiddle on the market with nearly 3 times the items ontop of every other Minnie Pilot with 2-3 times the same item......
Yes there are a lot more items on the list, I have a massive spreadsheet for most items over all of the FW Races, but this does not need to be a threadnaught to get a simple point across. Overall this trend remains true, including Faction Ammo, All Faction Ships and pretty much any item that moves decently.
There are a few items for every FW that needs tags and moves a bit slower that gets great isk per LP (some over 2,500 isk per LP) but the logistics of getting thousands of tags makes it unrealistic to dump hundreds of thousands of LPs through it, more like a handful a month
This is mostly meant for the Amarr Mains thinking your making more isk plexing with a WT Alt to pay for your Amarr PVP, your not helping anyone, not even yourself.
*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!* - Kidding, give them Gal FW hell |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:43:00 -
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Good analysis. It really is as easy as pie to make isk in the Amarr militia. Create a jump clone in Gultratren. Have a hauler alt stock it with ships. Plex in peace and quiet.
I might have to do that again. In December I placed a billion isk bounty on Sasawong, a billion isk bounty on his alt, Sheltering Sky, and went through a billion isk in ships. I'm down to a paltry 5 billion isk with just shy of 2 million LP. I can't be slacking! |
Takanuro
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2013.01.01 21:53:00 -
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Quote:*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!* - Kidding, give them Gal FW hell
/me Chuckles |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:01:00 -
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Takanuro wrote:Quote:*Warning! this does not hold true for T1! So if your in Caldari GTFO, your isk ratio sucks!* - Kidding, give them Gal FW hell /me Chuckles
Kind of a low blow, sorry lol
Honestly yes T1 Caldari is not the best isk but..... compared to high sec mission running its not all that bad.
I remember flying my Drake years ago doing L3s for Caldari Navy, I wish we had a T1 Caldari FW system then!
A Novice plex is worth around 6-8m isk for Caldari at T1, that puts high sec missions to shame if your a pilot thats under 6 months old, and even if you have gotten to 4s, its only a lil worse
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:09:00 -
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Haven't actually cashed any LP since the ISK hydrant that was Inferno. Clearly the system is a lot more balanced now.
The amarr LP store actually gives good ships as well, most of the time fleet phoons and fleet tempests are pretty much useless, in stark contrast to the navy geddon and navy apoc which are probably the most popular BS hulls in the game for fleet PVP. I honestly have no idea where all the minmatar faction BS spewing out of FW have gone.
In the past the minmatar had the advantage of the SFI being the king of medium plexes, now with T2 ships able to enter it doesn't really get a look in, coupled with T1 cruisers being so good. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:12:00 -
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This is why I like the new system so much.
With the old system, with the ISK amount reduction due to tier, it really was a huge financial burden to be in the losing militia due to competition from non-FW areas (direct or via substitution).
However, with the new system, supply and demand does reduce the difference significantly.
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Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:16:00 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Haven't actually cashed any LP since the ISK hydrant that was Inferno. Clearly the system is a lot more balanced now.
The amarr LP store actually gives good ships as well, most of the time fleet phoons and fleet tempests are pretty much useless, in stark contrast to the navy geddon and navy apoc which are probably the most popular BS hulls in the game for fleet PVP. I honestly have no idea where all the minmatar faction BS spewing out of FW have gone.
In the past the minmatar had the advantage of the SFI being the king of medium plexes, now with T2 ships able to enter it doesn't really get a look in, coupled with T1 cruisers being so good.
The changes from inferno to Retribution are a huge boon to the loosing side of FW with still giving an edge to the winners
Before, at T2 the isk on a lot of items was awful, and T1 it cost you isk to cashout!
At least now Caldari can make isk of the LPs, it might only be a 6m profit from that novice plex, but with old T1 the LP store items cost X4! So you got 10k LPs from the novice, its going to earn you 11.3 isk each! w00t!
I also agree that when it comes to Faction Ships, the Amarr have a leg up on everyone, A lot of the faction ships are PVE boats that dont get blown up all to often, while the Amarr get good PVP use out of both of there Faction BS
Now if they made a faction BS for all 3 BS, the Minnies would see a huge boon, as Maelstorms get a lot of use in Alpha Fleets in nullsec, MFI would be damn sexy and a lot of Powerblocs could afford them if Minnies were at T4 or higher |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2013.01.01 22:31:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Good analysis. It really is as easy as pie to make isk in the Amarr militia. Create a jump clone in Gultratren. Have a hauler alt stock it with ships. Plex in peace and quiet. I might have to do that again. In December I placed a billion isk bounty on Sasawong, a billion isk bounty on his alt, Sheltering Sky, and went through a billion isk in ships. I'm down to a paltry 5 billion isk with just shy of 2 million LP. I can't be slacking!
Yeah considering an Amarr alt so I can get a navy geddon ;) or just for the iskies |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.02 00:12:00 -
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Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Vikarion
Yulai Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.02 04:53:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.
You may rely on the fact that if the Caldari ever do start pushing the Gallente back, CCP will nerf the LP rewards for doing so. Probably within 24 hours. |
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Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.02 07:03:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros.
the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp
im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still? |
Babar Baboli
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.02 07:21:00 -
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I think most Minnies sell their **** in Hek or Rens which means even less iskies. I know I'm making a lot less isk now than pre-retribution. But, there's more pew pew around now so I'm happy. |
Corelyn
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.02 07:46:00 -
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LP's go into system hubs, not the LP store. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2013.01.02 09:04:00 -
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Babar Baboli wrote:I think most Minnies sell their **** in Hek or Rens which means even less iskies. I know I'm making a lot less isk now than pre-retribution. But, there's more pew pew around now so I'm happy.
So long as you use sell orders and have some patience, the higher prices in Rens and Hek mean you'll make considerably more. I get 1500-2000 isk/LP for my stuff, which is about 1.5-2x what I'd get flogging it in Rens. Don't cash out on datacores unless you're trading in a zillion LP and have a buyer set up already. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.01.04 03:36:00 -
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Vikarion wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros. You may rely on the fact that if the Caldari ever do start pushing the Gallente back, CCP will nerf the LP rewards for doing so. Probably within 24 hours.
and the tinfoil hat award goes to u sir |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.01.04 03:38:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros. the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still?
ya we have jammers and missile spam to contend with makes a lethal combination |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.04 03:54:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Aside from printing ammo and cashing a few datacores, I have had little success printing ISK in Minmatar militia via the LP store. I prefer blowing up the enemy and selling their loots.
As for the Caldari / Gallente ISK ratios. Well, if there's no Calldari systems, the Gallente militia might find it hard to rustle up any LP's at all, while there's great fields of farms for the Caldari to plow all day long, and wait for the Gallente to grow bored. Save your LP's and wait for the inevitable collapse, and push to T2/T3, then badabing, cash out like pros. the farmers just run missions. at T4 each lvl 4 mission would net you about 70k to 80k lp im just not sure if caldari fw mission rats jam? if tjey do then that would suck. but SB sensor isnt bad. maybe use se lp for the sensor str implants....or is rats still on a pure % chance still? ya we have jammers and missile spam to contend with makes a lethal combination
minnie rats have missiles too but most are torps so easy to speed tank.
jamming would get really really old! |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.04 20:14:00 -
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who want to plex anyway, now make calculation about doing lvl 4 fw missions for minmatar and see how your numbers go.
You can make about 5m lp / day by missioning so i doubt you can dump all to datacores for ever. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.04 22:11:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:who want to plex anyway, now make calculation about doing lvl 4 fw missions for minmatar and see how your numbers go.
You can make about 5m lp / day by missioning so i doubt you can dump all to datacores for ever.
That is the reason Amarr datacores sell for almost double..... I have seen a guy running 3 bombers doing missions, it was near impossible to stop him. by the time he warped off and jumped out and I was able to figure out what system and follow him, his 3 bombers completed the mission!
With 3 ships with 4500 dmg vollies the NPCs dont last at all, he is able to get around 25-30 missions with all 3 guys combined and just head out, bet it takes him 3hrs to earn 2mill LP and 130m in isk payments
Comes out to about 650-700m an hour if selling LP at 1,000 isk each (pretty easy to do)
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