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Cazador 64
Nightmare Logistics
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:42:00 -
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So I have not played much since a few weeks before winter patch. I had a thought that Missiles would be rendered useless in most cases after this "fix" .
Well from what I see it seems I was correct looking at the Incursion fleet comps and from http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 It seems less people are using missiles.
I'm in training for guns but it will be months before my skills are even worth fleeting. So is there any plans or talk about this? Might be old news but I have not been online much but I was not shocked to see the lack of use of missiles. It is pretty clear that missiles are completely broken compared to other systems now so what's the fix?
By CCP rules they have to nerf the other systems now since they never buff do to "power creep" Thoughts feed back ? Trolls will be ignored flames as well. I am sort of at an in between with EVE I could care less if I play or not got other things going on IRL but still would like something to log onto and enjoy once in awhile. But as it is I logged and seen less missile boats in use then ever..
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:48:00 -
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Are you serious? |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:52:00 -
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Did you even try using them? My Drake lost an entire 10DPS, and 10km range.... Broken as ****, isn't it? |
Lexmana
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Posted - 2013.01.02 23:54:00 -
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You do realize that those stats are fort his year only right? |
ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:01:00 -
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Why would you use missiles in Incursions anyway? I would much rather have a Mach/Nightmare in the fleet over a Tengu or CNR and if you're flying a drake in Incursions how did you get in fleets in the first place? "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
502
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:03:00 -
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confirming that HML's continue to wotk just fine in L4's T2 @ 70km CN @ 90 km 6x T2 launchers = 550-650dps
[thread hijack] i fly a 6x HML Tengu in L4's occasionally switching between Fury & Precision ammo is quite a good idea since the missile changes
however i've noticed battleships take some serious pounding from furies to die battle cruisers die in 2-3 volleys from furies
and both frigates and cruisers are best dispatched with precision ammo ?? or is it just me thats noticed this ? |
Steven Seaga1
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:05:00 -
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MIssiles have always been **** Amarr Victory! |
ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:15:00 -
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HAMs are awesome. Just saying. |
Cazador 64
Nightmare Logistics
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Posted - 2013.01.03 00:20:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:HAMs are awesome. Just saying. Yah it was more of a how are missiles doing these days then anything but it typical eve player fashion people get butthurt over stupid things.
HML took a nerf because they were over powered and took up most of the kills not they are not even top 20 just saying. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:07:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:How about testing things before going to **** on the forums about something you didn't even try.
Youre new to GD arent you.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:17:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:ErrorRon wrote:HAMs are awesome. Just saying. Yah it was more of a how are missiles doing these days then anything but it typical eve player fashion people get butthurt over stupid things. HML took a nerf because they were over powered and took up most of the kills not they are not even top 20 just saying.
So what you mean is that people switched to another missile that better accomplishes their goal.
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Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:41:00 -
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I was running missions with a buddy who flies Tengu yesterday, and having 1 kill to his 10 as I couldn't get them in range to shoot before they popped, I'd have to say no. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:45:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:You do realize that those stats are fort his year only right? It also lists the Rokh as the most popular ship. 2013 can't stop the Rokh.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
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Posted - 2013.01.03 01:52:00 -
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lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
I Love the smell of goons podpie in the morning topped with a tear |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.03 14:32:00 -
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Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Insta pop rails? there is such a thing? I haven-¦t looked at them for... well... many years but i-¦m quite sure i would have at least heard of a buff to that degree. "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:51:00 -
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Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:51:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:Thoughts feed back ?
I pondered at length how to put this delicately, finally I settled for this:
You Sir, have not read the patch notes.
(The not so delicate version not available due to fear of reprisal from the moderators.) Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:52:00 -
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Not this thread again... |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
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Posted - 2013.01.03 16:46:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP.
Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles.
Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. Whatever. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:07:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that.
You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:23:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.
Indeed.
We could just as easily say that gun ships aren't popular because of their weapons, but because of the other attributes of the ship.
Missiles in general just received a huge buff, and when the next step comes a large number of tactical options (both offensive and defensive) will become available for the first time.
It's okay not to understand what's happening around you, but if you are going to be taken seriously you really should make an effort to keep up with current events. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:33:00 -
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Acctually most of the misslie boats used in incursions got a buff cruise and torp went up in DPS alittle. The reason why you see very few missle boats on the incursion listing is the fact that the large more popular incursion channels are trying to get pilots to move away from heavys and cruise missles in favor of Torps, HAMs and turret ships.
The reason for this is Cruise missles are slow and are used on sniper boats. The missle go down range so much slower than the turret class sniper ships that much of the time there DPS is wasted. For heavies ships using them (tengu mostly) are in HAM range of there targets. With the HAM buff they in almost all ways are better for incursions than Heavies now.
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Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
205
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:37:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.
Equipping TCs/TEs will reduce damage and tank since mods use Low and Med slots. Also 1 TD kills 1 TC and 1 TE bonuses. 1 mod kills 2 mods. Moreover TD ships or TDs are also not so popular because TDs don't work for missiles and there are still many Drakes and Tengus out there.
Basically it's a nerf.
Oh I'm sorry for bringing logic into this **** thread. Whatever. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3250
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:46:00 -
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Funky Lazers wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue. Equipping TCs/TEs will reduce damage and tank since mods use Low and Med slots. Also 1 TD kills 1 TC and 1 TE bonuses. 1 mod kills 2 mods. Moreover TD ships or TDs are also not so popular because TDs don't work for missiles and there are still many Drakes and Tengus out there. Basically it's a nerf. Oh I'm sorry for bringing logic into this **** thread.
TD's use mids (which are more valuable than lows), did you have a point?
If you have the stats on the percentages TD's, TC's, and TE's will use to affect missiles after this change, please let CCP and the rest of us know.
So, still, they just had a large buff over all, and more options available later.
Please try again....
Edit: And let us not forget that cruise missiles and likely torpedo's will be further buffed when they get to balancing BS and their weapons systems. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:18:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue.
Get back to me when that happens. Feel free to leave it in your Will, so your kids can do it for you.
FTR: HML/ Drake and Caracal were noob nerfed, nothing more. Base Drake HAM range is 9000 and all frigates range at 12,000 so if you are a new player in a Drake or Missile boat, you get gimp dps or nothing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3252
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:45:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bohoba wrote:lol missles have been nerfed to death no going on 5 years as far as I know :) while still usable in pve PVP everyone wants insta pop rails or beams now so your better off training max gunnery or fly alone :(
Oh yes, we never see Drakes or Tengus in PVP. Those ships popular because of stats, not missiles. Just wait till missile nerf that will make TDs affect them. I wonder how many nullbears will be crying after that. You realise that at that same time missiles will also be buffed by using TC/TE right? Oh I'm sorry for bringing facts into this **** thread, let the baseless whining continue. Get back to me when that happens. Feel free to leave it in your Will, so your kids can do it for you. FTR: HML/ Drake and Caracal were noob nerfed, nothing more. Base Drake HAM range is 9000 and all frigates range at 12,000 so if you are a new player in a Drake or Missile boat, you get gimp dps or nothing.
I think the only question is whether they will uses existing modules or if they will develop new modules for missile users that mimic the effect. They seemed pretty definite about adding these basic mechanics. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
200
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Posted - 2013.01.03 21:57:00 -
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No, they are not obsolete. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.01.04 00:57:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:So I have not played much since a few weeks before winter patch. I had a thought that Missiles would be rendered useless in most cases after this "fix" . Well from what I see it seems I was correct looking at the Incursion fleet comps and from http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20It seems less people are using missiles. I'm in training for guns but it will be months before my skills are even worth fleeting. So is there any plans or talk about this? Might be old news but I have not been online much but I was not shocked to see the lack of use of missiles. It is pretty clear that missiles are completely broken compared to other systems now so what's the fix? By CCP rules they have to nerf the other systems now since they never buff do to "power creep" Thoughts feed back ? Trolls will be ignored flames as well. I am sort of at an in between with EVE I could care less if I play or not got other things going on IRL but still would like something to log onto and enjoy once in awhile. But as it is I logged and seen less missile boats in use then ever..
Missiles are not efficient in incursions due to targets dying too fast and missiles taking too long to arrive. It's a lot of wasted ammo and time, hence turret ships are preferred since they never waste shots or ammo like missiles do in such situations. |
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