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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:25:00 -
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I just got blown to bits by a pirate and I'm amazed at how well he did it 
This is the first time ever I get attacked! (Yes, I'm a carebear) But I've decided to get rid of my full set of attribute implants so I left the wcs's at home today.
I jump into a 0.4 system; see a guy flashing red with a  next to the name; figure I'd rather try my luck with someone who's not in a scorpion (I had a thorax).
So before uncloaking I click 'warp to safe bm'. Before even seeing my own ship I'm targeted, scrambled with a first load of torpedos heading my way.
I didn't even realize that I wasn't warping because I never thought things could happen that fast  So I'm sitting there taking a load of damage without even unleashing my drones (not that it would have helped much  ). (I did send in the drones afterwards, but it didn't really help).
When I approached him to scratch the paintjob with a few blasters I realized I didn't have any cap left either (nosferatu I suppose), and that was even before I realized I should have put on the armour repairer.
Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed with how the pirate managed to take me down, but I'm amazed that he didn't take ANY damage (I had him targetted and I didn't see a trace of red on his shield). I've heard Caldari shield tanking is uber, but uber enough to withstand 4 sentry guns and 9 heavy drones?
And shouldn't he have been shot at by the sentry's even before I jumped into the system? I mean, he was flashing red + how can he fit all the mods to scramble + target me super fast + tank like mad?
And if it's so easy, why aren't more pirates doing the same thing?
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:33:00 -
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i never do this ..
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thorax and 9 heavy drones?.. how?
anyway good read..
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 10/06/2005 18:36:17
Pirates hugging the gates in ravens and vs them in cruisers and frigates are not defeatable because unlike turrets. You can never get under their tracking and since they have to tank the sentires you can bet they have an awesome tank going.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:37:00 -
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Locking you- sensor boosters- Also, sentrys should be shooting him, UNLESS hes a war target.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Locking you- sensor boosters- Also, sentrys should be shooting him, UNLESS hes a war target.
Nope, we're not at war with anyone as far as I know.  I suppose that's a good thing
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:41:00 -
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Also, you can easily defeat snipers with the help of covert ops. Just have them setup a warp in and have a mega warp on top of him. At that range he has no tank because he needs range boosters to snipe and he can't hit you anyway usually.
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Tactician
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
i never do this ..
but
thorax and 9 heavy drones?.. how?
anyway good read..
Valkries are med drones :)
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SHYBUM1
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Posted - 2005.06.10 19:48:00 -
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well its quite easy to kill a cruiser on the jump in with a scorp he was set up to take out haulers cruisers and frigs...a booster or two some torps/cruise a couple of nos and a warp scram plus his tank well if you didn't see your ship till he had you targeted you might have lagged alittle...that would also explain why you saw no dmg to his shields, there always alittle...and there are only two sentrys in .4 - .1 thats why pirates can tank.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.10 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
i never do this ..
but
thorax and 9 heavy drones?.. how?
anyway good read..
Valkyries are mediums that do explosive damage, m8.
The reason you didn't see the red appear on his shields is because he was likely using a pair of large shield booster or an extra large booster. The Heavy Nosferatu he used to drain your ship of power was giving him the juice to do that. The dinky damage of 9 medium drones and the damage every 1.75 seconds from the sentry turrets wasn't enough to defeat his uber shield tank, which probably also featured a kinetic and thermal hardener, gimping the sentries.
He was flashing red because he has -5.0 sec or below. Sentries still won't fire on him until he commits an act of aggression. You can fire on him, though, without sentry reaction, even if he doesn't attack.
Probably had a sensor booster or sensor upgrade of some sort, in addition to the usual damage mods. Cruisers are easy to lock anyway, so with skill and a booster he could easily insta-lock you.
All in all, well done on the pirate, and well done for you actually attempting to defend yourself. Most people just scream obsceneties and expect CCP to do their fighting for them. Good on ya, m8.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.06.10 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: ponieus
i never do this ..
but
thorax and 9 heavy drones?.. how?
anyway good read..
Valkyries are mediums that do explosive damage, m8.
The reason you didn't see the red appear on his shields is because he was likely using a pair of large shield booster or an extra large booster. The Heavy Nosferatu he used to drain your ship of power was giving him the juice to do that. The dinky damage of 9 medium drones and the damage every 1.75 seconds from the sentry turrets wasn't enough to defeat his uber shield tank, which probably also featured a kinetic and thermal hardener, gimping the sentries.
He was flashing red because he has -5.0 sec or below. Sentries still won't fire on him until he commits an act of aggression. You can fire on him, though, without sentry reaction, even if he doesn't attack.
Probably had a sensor booster or sensor upgrade of some sort, in addition to the usual damage mods. Cruisers are easy to lock anyway, so with skill and a booster he could easily insta-lock you.
All in all, well done on the pirate, and well done for you actually attempting to defend yourself. Most people just scream obsceneties and expect CCP to do their fighting for them. Good on ya, m8.
Um.....There is no way to gimp the sentriesm they do all damage types.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.06.10 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos
Edited by: Trepkos on 10/06/2005 20:28:36
Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: ponieus
i never do this ..
but
thorax and 9 heavy drones?.. how?
anyway good read..
Valkyries are mediums that do explosive damage, m8.
The reason you didn't see the red appear on his shields is because he was likely using a pair of large shield booster or an extra large booster. The Heavy Nosferatu he used to drain your ship of power was giving him the juice to do that. The dinky damage of 9 medium drones and the damage every 1.75 seconds from the sentry turrets wasn't enough to defeat his uber shield tank, which probably also featured a kinetic and thermal hardener, gimping the sentries.
He was flashing red because he has -5.0 sec or below. Sentries still won't fire on him until he commits an act of aggression. You can fire on him, though, without sentry reaction, even if he doesn't attack.
Probably had a sensor booster or sensor upgrade of some sort, in addition to the usual damage mods. Cruisers are easy to lock anyway, so with skill and a booster he could easily insta-lock you.
All in all, well done on the pirate, and well done for you actually attempting to defend yourself. Most people just scream obsceneties and expect CCP to do their fighting for them. Good on ya, m8.
Um.....There is no way to gimp the sentries they do all damage types.
Yes, there is.
They do something to the tune of 180 base damage per shot per sentry. They then do about 32 Thermal and Kinetic, and 16 EM and Explosive (check EVE-I for exact figures, I made a shield tank calculator for tank-time but it's a program at home, can't be assed to check EVE-I right now).
You can shave quite a decent chunk of damage off a sentry gun by hardening against thermal and kinetic. In a ship with lots of mids, you can either totally nullify those attributes or you can tank out 50%+ of all damage types, depending on your skills and your hardeners.
I found a way to make a Ferox tank sentries for a solid minute before the tank even breaks, but that secret is mine and mine alone (though I'm sure someone else has figured it out by now).
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Myndcrime
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Posted - 2005.06.11 07:46:00 -
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Hum... How does one do that?
Thanks for the Tech II stuff.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.06.13 10:54:00 -
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You might want to try and suck him dry:
All nos/drain in high, at least 1x 1600mm plate and armor tank. Other thing you can try is with a couple of smartbombs to kill some of the torps.
Let the sentries and your ogres kill him.
I will test it later on myself and see if it works only have to test in in a Rupture though, so less drones
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Myndcrime
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Posted - 2005.06.15 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Myndcrime on 15/06/2005 19:01:06
Originally by: Omatje
You might want to try and suck him dry:
All nos/drain in high, at least 1x 1600mm plate and armor tank. Other thing you can try is with a couple of smartbombs to kill some of the torps.
Let the sentries and your ogres kill him.
I will test it later on myself and see if it works only have to test in in a Rupture though, so less drones
Yea... Give that a shot, that's a great idea...
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.06.15 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Omatje
You might want to try and suck him dry:
All nos/drain in high, at least 1x 1600mm plate and armor tank. Other thing you can try is with a couple of smartbombs to kill some of the torps.
Let the sentries and your ogres kill him.
I will test it later on myself and see if it works only have to test in in a Rupture though, so less drones
4 siege launchers > medium armor repairer II
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.06.16 05:03:00 -
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if there had been a sniper there boosted you would of took it just as bad, only thing is you would of had cap.
his tanking will only hold up so long solo.
i have see well skilled up apoc's tank as good as a scorp.
i think better.
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Hulemand
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Posted - 2005.06.16 12:04:00 -
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I guess you had a MWD on your Thorax, which makes you bigger than a battleship when it comes to locking time
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Waywatcher
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Posted - 2005.06.16 12:10:00 -
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Your impressed at how well he did? dude unless u had fitted your thorax specifically to hold the scorp then u didnt stand a chance dont worry about it although i would suggest alligning to something hitting you mwd and hoping it got you out of distrutor range before u died. And whoever said about missiles not being turrets so u cant move quick enough for them not to hit needs to look at missile speed! ( and before someone says it, i know he had nos) |
Omatje
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Posted - 2005.06.16 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Omatje on 16/06/2005 13:18:56
Originally by: Antoinette Civari
4 siege launchers > medium armor repairer II
Yes i am well aware of that, and i still didn't find the time to test it.
The idea behind it is when you can drain his cap fast enough for the sentries and your drones to kill him, when his tank has gone.
The object of testing would be then when i can dry his cap quite quickly, if my exta plating plus the tank i have can take enough salvo's of his torps.
Other part of the test ofcourse would be how many nos i can fit combined with plating and one or even two armor repairers since cap isn't much of an issue with many Nos.
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.06.16 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gericault m0id
I just got blown to bits by a pirate and I'm amazed at how well he did it
You are a man to my heart. <3
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I've heard Caldari shield tanking is uber, but uber enough to withstand 4 sentry guns and 9 valkyries?
This pirate could've done it solo, but I don't think he would be able to stick around for too long unless he got remotely boosted by mates. If he was solo, he probably stuck around for just long enough to grind your Thorax before his tank would break. I have done solo camps in Aunenen with 2 sentry guns (I believe it was a tech 2 and tech 3) in a Scorpion, but my tank didn't last long enough to kill a battleship or even a cruiser when I was unlucky and the cruiser was well tanked.
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And shouldn't he have been shot at by the sentry's even before I jumped into the system?
No, you get shot at in low security space when you agress. Your standing doesn't mean anything.
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I mean, he was flashing red + how can he fit all the mods to scramble + target me super fast + tank like mad?
4 siege launchers, 2 heavy nosferatus, a disruptor, 2 sensor boosters tech 2, rest shield and cap rechargers/hardeners is -basically- all you need, but obviously the better your skills are, the longer you can tank the damage. About 8 out of 10 of my relevant skills are maxed out, but I still had problems camping solo in Aunenen (0.4).
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And if it's so easy, why aren't more pirates doing the same thing?
Obviously everybody has their own reasons, but I would imagine the security status hits and skills play significant roles.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.06.16 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gericault m0id on 16/06/2005 14:52:39
Thanks for all the responses! I've got a bit more  in me now (although I'd never turn to your side ). Myndcrime, you're at the top of my list  
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Captain AFK
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Posted - 2005.06.16 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Captain AFK on 16/06/2005 21:27:11
This has been a great read... Thanks.
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Myndcrime
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Posted - 2005.06.16 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gericault m0id
Edited by: Gericault m0id on 16/06/2005 14:52:39
Thanks for all the responses! I've got a bit more in me now (although I'd never turn to your side ). Myndcrime, you're at the top of my list
Ok dude... See ya there, yea, your right AFK, this has been a great read...
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