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Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:58:00 -
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I have been going through some old ships and fits in efit. And I have found that my Hurricanes are lacking PG. I know they was ok before the expansion because I was flying about in one of them. Since the new expansion it now says I do not have enough PG to fit everything.
Nothing has changed about my character implants or skills other than training some LADAR, Reactive armour skill books.
Anyone else had the same problems? |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.01.05 19:02:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.05 19:46:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029
Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2013.01.06 14:38:00 -
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Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.
Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me.
Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:36:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes. Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me. Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !!
Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything.
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Azriel Artram
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:15:00 -
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the changes to the cane seem to move away for the matar idea of going full dps and then run away really fast
the ferox has gotten an extra gun. i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach
ruined my cane ;/ i hold hope for faction BC one day, faction cane will rule the stars!!! We have crossed the galaxy, flown past star not visable in our native skies, to punch you in the face.-á
- Unknown Minmatar shock trooper |
Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:29:00 -
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Well I jsut exchanged my canes for cyclones and harbigners. sicne they are now superior on the specific roels I used my cane. For arti blapping I already had my munin. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Crimson HellHounds Drunk3n H00ligans
420
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Posted - 2013.03.11 17:08:00 -
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Azriel Artram wrote:
i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach
7 double dmg bonussed turrets on a tech 1 BC? The winmatar baddie fanboi is strong in this one.
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Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:15:00 -
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Some of the ship balances I can understand as they were needed. The hurricane though was good as it was. Some of the changes do not make any sense to me. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.11 21:24:00 -
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Kiran wrote:Some of the ship balances I can understand as they were needed. The hurricane though was good as it was. Some of the changes do not make any sense to me.
The Hurricane was one of only two battlecruisers that were ever flown. In addition to ridiculous speed and agility for a battlecruiser it had nigh-immunity to smaller ships due to a combination of fast-tracking guns and multiple neuts.
Quote:i think the cane should have had an extra turret slot in exchange for the utility one removed, or made it faster with better range, like a mini mach
All tier 2 BCs went down a slot.
Quote:the changes to the cane seem to move away for the matar idea of going full dps and then run away really fast
The Minmatar lineup has never been about tons of damage. |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:07:00 -
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Kiran wrote:I have been going through some old ships and fits in efit. And I have found that my Hurricanes are lacking PG. I know they was ok before the expansion because I was flying about in one of them. Since the new expansion it now says I do not have enough PG to fit everything.
Nothing has changed about my character implants or skills other than training some LADAR, Reactive armour skill books.
Anyone else had the same problems?
Jesus, doesn't anyone read the dev blogs??!?! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:26:00 -
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There was nothing wrong with the Hurricane. That was kind of the point. Honestly, the monotony of Drake... Hurricane... Drake... Hurricane... was so boring. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:38:00 -
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It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.
That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost. |
Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:27:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.
That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost.
That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane. That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates. |
Alara IonStorm
4542
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:51:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane.
It isn't harder to fit a shield cane then it was before with 425mm guns.
[Hurricane, Fits fine] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Kagura Nikon wrote: That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.
Hurricane has more DPS and is more accurate while the Cyclone has more tank. Hurricane also still fulfills the Artillery role better then the Cyclone Variety is a good thing. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
641
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:55:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:It didn't get a super special nerf it didn't lose anything the others didn't lose. It lost a High Slot, the same slot every Tier 2 BC and the Cyclone lost.
That Powergrid loss was balanced out by the Neut loss... from the highslot... that every BC lost. That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane. That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.
I personally think the cyclone is pretty meh.. but thats just me. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:11:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: That is NOT true. it lost quite a lot of PG. That made very very hard to use top tier guns. 425mm guns are hard to fit even on a shield tanked cane.
It isn't harder to fit a shield cane then it was before with 425mm guns. [Hurricane, Fits fine] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1 Kagura Nikon wrote: That is the only thing I think was BIT over the board. They should have reduced about 20-25 PG less than they did. Currently I see no reason to use a Cane over a cyclone, unless you are expecting to fight almost only frigates.
Hurricane has more DPS and is more accurate while the Cyclone has more tank. Hurricane also still fulfills the Artillery role. Variety is a good thing. Both have strengths and weaknesses. The only thing the Cane lost was a High Slot, the Same slot every Battlecruiser lost.
You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm. It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact. My 4 previously fit arti canes, do not fit anymore (and they did have 2 empty high slots already).
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:17:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm.
1 RCU II is enough, it doesn't sacrifice an extra low. Now you need AWU V to fit it but you can fit it at 4 with a dirt cheap 2% implant.
Kagura Nikon wrote: It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact.
The old Hurricane was the clear superior choice along with the Drake, which Battlecruiser is it inferior too now? |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:20:00 -
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Kiran wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes. Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me. Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything.
Glad to see you either changed your mind and finally found how to fit them.
Thx to hurricane weapon bonus it already has about 8.5 effective turrets, loosing an utility high and the PG going with it's less of a problem, fit Arty on it and all you need is a T1 meta 4 RCU, how is this possibly close to a nerf? If someone around thinks replacing a DCU II or a nano in lows for an RCU is a nerf, they really need brains check up.
Cane is FINE, this little adjustment was much needed along with other BC's buffing so having ships choices is a much better option than the no brainer ship everyone and his idiots fellas jumps in because it's the OMGFCKINPOW machine. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:29:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kiran wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes. Contract them to me, by the way everyone who doesn't like their hurricane any more can contract those to me. Take 1 neut off, that's it you hurricane is refit. Real men arty fit their hurricanes good sir !! Its all sorted now, so no need to give you anything. Glad to see you either changed your mind and finally found how to fit them. Thx to hurricane weapon bonus it already has about 8.5 effective turrets, loosing an utility high and the PG going with it's less of a problem, fit Arty on it and all you need is a T1 meta 4 RCU, how is this possibly close to a nerf? If someone around thinks replacing a DCU II or a nano in lows for an RCU is a nerf, they really need brains check up. Cane is FINE, this little adjustment was much needed along with other BC's buffing so having ships choices is a much better option than the no brainer ship everyone and his idiots fellas jumps in because it's the OMGFCKINPOW machine.
just lOL? How in hell replacign a DC II for a RCU to fit is NOT a nerf? Are you simply unable to grasp basic concepts? that sentence of your makes your opinion and statements as valid as the Pope talking about sexual positions. |
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Kagura Nikon
Emptiness.
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:31:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm.
1 RCU II is enough, it doesn't sacrifice an extra low. Now you need AWU V to fit it but you can fit it at AWU IV with a dirt cheap 2% implant. Kagura Nikon wrote: It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact.
The old Hurricane was the clear superior choice along with the Drake, which Battlecruiser is it inferior too now?
Where did I stated it became inferior? I stated it got nerfged a bit more. Are everyoen here uanble to grasp simple math? you have 200 nerf 20 get 180. Other has 190 you nerf 10 you still has 180. But The 200 guy was nerfed MORE. For god sake people, stop trying to transform this into psycology, its Simple math. FACTS |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
185
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:15:00 -
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I wouldn't complain too much...it's still among the better of the BCs. The brutix and myrm are still a bunch of fail outside really small scale pvp. thhief ghabmoef |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
672
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:16:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: You contradicted yourself a bit there. The cane lost a lot on the arti platform role. It needs to dedicate an extra low slot to fit 6 720mm.
1 RCU II is enough, it doesn't sacrifice an extra low. Now you need AWU V to fit it but you can fit it at AWU IV with a dirt cheap 2% implant. Kagura Nikon wrote: It was nerfed a bit more than the others, not saying its completely unfair, just stating a fact.
The old Hurricane was the clear superior choice along with the Drake, which Battlecruiser is it inferior too now? Where did I stated it became inferior? I stated it got nerfged a bit more. Are everyoen here uanble to grasp simple math? you have 200 nerf 20 get 180. Other has 190 you nerf 10 you still has 180. But The 200 guy was nerfed MORE. For god sake people, stop trying to transform this into psycology, its Simple math. FACTS
You want facts, ok so here goes a very clear one: what about the FACT Hurricane was totally out of whack (OP) and you guys voluntary ignore this FACT in your arguments or minimize it?
Balance is what have been done, the simple fact of getting something from it doesn't make it any worse but a balanced ship.
So in your opinion what should have been done? -put all BC's at the same performance and fitting options the Hurricane had instead so you guys could cry at CCP because Hurricane didn't had same boosts (thus nerf)?
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Jerick Ludhowe
Crimson HellHounds Drunk3n H00ligans
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Posted - 2013.03.12 15:56:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Balance is what have been done, the simple fact of getting something from it doesn't make it any worse but a balanced ship.
Errr.... going to have to stop you on this one champ. While I strongly do agree with the nerfs to the hurricane, you truly cannot say that it did not get worse (which you did in the above quote) than prior to the changes...
The ship has lost a slot, gained mass, and has lost fitting. While these changes were most certainly needed, it's undeniable that it is worse than it was before...
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Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:05:00 -
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I am tired of the balance that CCP are doing. They are trying to make all ships equal so we have a Rock, Paper, Scicors scenario in pvp, much like other mmos.
I welcomed the frigate and assault ship balances, destroyers, cruisers, but the Battlecruisers to me at least is way over the top. I armour tank my hurricaines because that how I like to fly them and now I cant fit a viable armour tank to them due to the huge drop in PG. And it is a huge drop I don't care what anyone else says. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
528
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Posted - 2013.03.13 00:41:00 -
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Cane is very mediocre now. A little bit too much nerfed imo. |
Leia Skyski
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 02:50:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Can't even have a decent arty set up with the cane without having to gimp so many things. Even if you fit meta 4! Oops.
Quote:[Hurricane, Arty Shield]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M [Empty High slot] 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1 |
Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.03.13 02:59:00 -
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Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes.
wait till you jump into your cyclone.. refitting is not the only thing you going to need to do.. re-skill'ing is far more troublesome.. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
528
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Posted - 2013.03.13 03:12:00 -
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Leia Skyski wrote:Diesel47 wrote:Can't even have a decent arty set up with the cane without having to gimp so many things. Even if you fit meta 4! Oops. Quote:[Hurricane, Arty Shield]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M [Empty High slot] 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
Maybe that looks good on its own, but once you compare it to something like a heavy pulse harbinger with scorch. You get a much better sniping boat that can also go in a brawl when it wants to, doesn't die horribly if a frig manages to get under its guns, has a medium neut, Much more DPS, Much better tracking/damage projection, has more tank, has the same speed, and can have a ton of drones depending on what you like.
The cane isn't like horrible after the nerf, but there are little reasons to fly it over the other options out there. So in comparison to its competition.... it sucks. |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.13 06:47:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Kiran wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 Thank you. Oh boy I am not happy going to have to refit all my hurricanes. wait till you jump into your cyclone.. refitting is not the only thing you going to need to do.. re-skill'ing is far more troublesome..
Yeh I have no missile skills to speak of they are all still on the tech 1 modual range. |
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