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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.01.06 16:51:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Linux, the underdog. Still better than any other OS out there IMO. Nah, Linux is ****, just like every other OS out there. Yeah, but it's good crap.
The PC may be walking wounded, but it's not dead yet, and CCP will surely move EvE to other platforms when they provide for a compelling experience.
Personally, I can't see trying to play EvE on anything less than a full PC interface, but that might change. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1100
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Posted - 2013.01.06 17:21:00 -
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This thread is laughable tinfoil hattery at best. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
39
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:01:00 -
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Tablets and smartphones are just replacing PCs of people who do nothing but search the web and check email. For photoshop, 3d modeling, and gaming, I will always want the more powerful hardware available in desktop form factor. I also enjoy being able to do everything on a single machine that I only have to rebuild every ~6 years. I could see buying a tablet to use as a portfolio when meeting with art directors. There is a real benefit, and it makes sense with that form factor and the nature of my work. It could possibly result in a more attractive portfolio earning me more money. So I could justify that. Though even if I had one I'd supplement it with printed materials. Having a smartphone would be nice for a GPS and easy access to email... if the fees weren't so friggen high. Replace my PC? They are inferior as gaming platforms as well as work stations, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Not only will PC remain important for getting work done, but for a tablet/phone to be viable as a serious gaming platform you need to hook it up to a tv/monitor and a keyboard&mouse/controller. Then you end up with an underpowered console/PC with a touch screen you aren't using. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:07:00 -
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Tablets are so incredibly ****** for anything but the most basic computing needs, you're a bloody fool to think they will replace niche gaming.
Someone once said if you can repeat a lie until it becomes seen as truth. Well, you idiots bought into and are perpetuating a lie. |
Jennifer A
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:11:00 -
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I might consider using a tablet for EVE, but in that case I would have to hook it up to a bigger monitor, plug in external devices such as keyboard, headset and a mouse.
You can do a lot of things on a tablet or phone, but playing EVE is certainly not one that would bring much joy. If anything they could develop a new EVE-Light version where you could play it more casual like angry birds.
If it goes as far that people stop playing because it's not working on their phone, so be it. The time for games like EVE is over. |
Daisai
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
58
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:18:00 -
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Eve online has never really been a great succes in regards of subscriptions. The only reason why the game is still alive is because of the lack of competition, because name 1 mmo like eve online where there are hardly any rules andis a sandbox that has both an option for free to play and subscription based etc.
If eve online will lose the few subscriptions it has it will not because some people who know nothing about gaming claim pc gaming is dead.
Right now there are 2 games that i can think of which probably might be in the same genre as eve online. Star citizen and elite : dangerous, can be games that might end eve online its slow increase in subscriptions.
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Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
274
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:18:00 -
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AHHHHH, so simple
Once MS DirectX monopoly will be over...
New systems and platforms will emerge... Linux, apple, google (no matter what really). But new possibilities for open public developing will be available, interchangeable, modifiable.
Desktop computer can not die... It is far too advanced. OP is wrong, no Tetris handheld didn't conquer the world. No HP smart PDA didn't conquer the world. No, PSP Iphone, nothing conquered the world of Video Gaming, which belongs to PC. |
Kalanaja
Dog Nation United PNG Associates
24
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:29:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:The biggest mistake people make when they buy a tablet is thinking that they are just buying another computer.
They keep the tablet for a few months and then either abandon or sell it because they aren't using it because it doesn't do things as well as their regular computer does and they don't do any computing in a place where their regular computer(s) aren't available.
Looking at the average schedule, people are: 1) At Home 2) Driving 3) At Work 4) Socialising
The only time (the average) people ever use a tablet is when waiting for one of the above things to happen where they don't have access to a regular PC. (And even then, only where their smart phone isn't sufficient.)
So yes, unless you have a specific reason to buy and use a tablet, they aren't going to revolutionise your life. People at home are going to use their more powerful desktop over their tablet. Microsoft and Apple certainly believe this is true which is why they are trying to integrate their desktop and mobile operating systems, so that the transition between mobile and desktop devices is seemless.
Where you will see more tablets is in the workforce, in places where computers have been infeasable before. Foremen on building sites, factory shift leaders and other 'in the field' supervisory roles go crazy for these things. I wonder how many of them are playing EVE.
So very, very true. OP, tablets and smart phones are all well and good for games. But, those are touch screen games. You're not going to find one for maybe another 30 years or more that is even capable of playing the games we have now. Yes, there was someone that was showing off he managed to get EVE to run on his little handheld tablet. But guess what?? He wasn't able to do much but warp from station to station and check buy/sell orders. You're not going to be able to really play much on it because it's touch screen. Also, screens that small are a pain. No one would want to see and squint their eyes on the dang thing to try to play. Even if they do bring 3D to most devices, it won't matter because most people will avoid it. The human eye gets strained when it has to focus on getting 3D to make sense for the brain to get it. People get headaches and sore faces in the eye area as it is from watching 3D movies with glasses.
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Kalanaja
Dog Nation United PNG Associates
24
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:31:00 -
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Daisai wrote:Eve online has never really been a great succes in regards of subscriptions. The only reason why the game is still alive is because of the lack of competition, because name 1 mmo like eve online where there are hardly any rules andis a sandbox that has both an option for free to play and subscription based etc.
If eve online will lose the few subscriptions it has it will not because some people who know nothing about gaming claim pc gaming is dead.
Right now there are 2 games that i can think of which probably might be in the same genre as eve online. Star citizen and elite : dangerous, can be games that might end eve online its slow increase in subscriptions.
Neither of those games has a chance of killing EVE. One is designed to pretty much be a mostly single person sim, and the other is going to end up instanced mostly. No meta gaming or big giant fleet combat. Especially on the first one. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:42:00 -
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Kalanaja wrote:Daisai wrote:Eve online has never really been a great succes in regards of subscriptions. The only reason why the game is still alive is because of the lack of competition, because name 1 mmo like eve online where there are hardly any rules andis a sandbox that has both an option for free to play and subscription based etc.
If eve online will lose the few subscriptions it has it will not because some people who know nothing about gaming claim pc gaming is dead.
Right now there are 2 games that i can think of which probably might be in the same genre as eve online. Star citizen and elite : dangerous, can be games that might end eve online its slow increase in subscriptions.
Neither of those games has a chance of killing EVE. One is designed to pretty much be a mostly single person sim, and the other is going to end up instanced mostly. No meta gaming or big giant fleet combat. Especially on the first one.
it is always funny ,when people react on a game that does not exist yet. By the way ,any game developer who wants to make a game just the same as EvE is a stupid one. What we know is that those game developers ,want to bring in immersion to their games and EvE has none to date. If that makes them serious competition ,i don,t know.But i am eager to find out
2 things can happen :
1: those games are a succes ,but EvE will always be backed by the ones that can not buy systems capable of running dx11 games and the ones that love the spreadsheet game as is
2: The games fail ,nothing to see here ,pls walk on R.S.I2014
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Daisai
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
59
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:44:00 -
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Kalanaja wrote:Daisai wrote:Eve online has never really been a great succes in regards of subscriptions. The only reason why the game is still alive is because of the lack of competition, because name 1 mmo like eve online where there are hardly any rules andis a sandbox that has both an option for free to play and subscription based etc.
If eve online will lose the few subscriptions it has it will not because some people who know nothing about gaming claim pc gaming is dead.
Right now there are 2 games that i can think of which probably might be in the same genre as eve online. Star citizen and elite : dangerous, can be games that might end eve online its slow increase in subscriptions.
Neither of those games has a chance of killing EVE. One is designed to pretty much be a mostly single person sim, and the other is going to end up instanced mostly. No meta gaming or big giant fleet combat. Especially on the first one.
Those games are going to have multiplayer however what kind of multiplayer is still not known. If they wont have metagaming then eve hasnt nothing to fear from them, metagaming part is one of the unique features in eve. |
Nessa Aldeen
The Sword and The Shield
6
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:25:00 -
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Eve obsolete.. I have seen these kinds of threads many times and all has been proven wrong time and time again. Of course this particular instance you're trying to connect the dots with industry.
To the OP: Your stats are entirely wrong. Your correlations are also misguided.
Please read Giga Om, Gartner or the many research firms on IT/Tech specific (register and read) and you will know that PC sales have been INCREASING year on year globally despite the popularity of tablets. This takes into account all of the OSes (windows dead, nope) including Linux which still is very niche (1 percent) and all the laptop/desktop sales.
Stop making predictions just because of Valve's direction which in fact rather minor and a reaction to MS move on their business model. Their main sales comes from PC gamers after all and now they're the ones who are on edge because of Windows Store (hardly a threat but you never know).
On the premature prediction that EVE will die in 2 years time if they don't switch to mobile OR Linux platforms, you must be taking something (look at market share ffs). Surface, Ipad and the Android tablets just don't cut it for day to day work grind, let alone a good gaming experience like EvE.
So the next time you post, please do some homework and research before spewing Mayan Apoc EoTW predictions you know not much about and generally trolling the forums. |
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
169
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:40:00 -
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Note that the OP (they guy who doesn't work in IT but still thinks he knows what's going to happen in the IT industry) stopped replying several pages ago. Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:42:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:Note that the OP stopped replying several pages ago. Whichever tablet-making company he's paid to shill for probably stopped paying him. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
490
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:56:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Horatius Caul wrote:Note that the OP stopped replying several pages ago. Whichever tablet-making company he's paid to shill for probably stopped paying him.
(tinfoil hat allert) Apple HQ, 11:35 PM: "ok folks, fallback, this EVE community can think for themselves" GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Mister S Burke
Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:56:00 -
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What I want to know is if "PC sales" are calculated by people who buy complete PCs or parts? I have been building PC's since the 1980's so if they aren't looking at parts I have technically never bought a PC in my entire life. |
Mister S Burke
Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:01:00 -
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Nessa Aldeen wrote:Eve obsolete..
Actually it is obsolete, which is why I like it. Also, I think we got totally trolled here, a guy posting PC and EVE are dying in this forum? Everyone missed it, including me.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3206
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:06:00 -
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An MMO celebrating 10 years of service can certainly be considered obsolete right? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
693
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:07:00 -
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Ageck Kalenia wrote:All this points to something CCP isn't admitting: their flagship game title could soon become too damn inconvenient to play if it remains bound for all time to traditional PCs.
Dust.
EvE Forum Bingo |
TharOkha
0asis Group
490
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:09:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:What I want to know is if "PC sales" are calculated by people who buy complete PCs or parts? I have been building PC's since the 1980's so if they aren't looking at parts I have technically never bought a PC in my entire life.
Thats the magic of statistics GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
99
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:13:00 -
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Ageck Kalenia wrote:The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.
I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet.
I have no doubt that you will use it less because it will be incompatible with 80% of the software out there.
Have fun trying to game on a Linux box effectively.
Tablets and Phones will never replace PCs in the near future. All the analysts who continue to spout this giant steaming pile of sh!t are clueless. All they have done is take over the low end PC market since the consumers in that market usually only wanted a device that they can check email and browse the web on in the first place.
My 10 year old PC still has 90% more computing power than the highest end tablet or phone you can buy so quit being a knob head who follows blind claims of the ill informed.
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
73
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:59:00 -
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Eve looks fantastic on my large screen MAC - why would I want it on a little mobile screen or dirty touch screen?
Make the screens bigger - thats all the technology I want and Ill avoid anything else thank you very much..... |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
47
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:02:00 -
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Does it matter what platform is running Eve? As long as you can hook up a keyboard and a mouse it shouldn't really matter. Unless OP thinks mice and keyboards are going obsolete too.
Oh, and developing countries and mobile devices: If all you can afford is a cheap phone, then a cheap phone it is. It has nothing to do with what people want. |
Slymah
Tax Evasionist
1
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:25:00 -
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As far as gameplay goes, EVE online would be the easiest to adapt to a 'touch screen' type platform.
It will happen .. EVE isn't going anywhere except up. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1935
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:48:00 -
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Touch screen for eve will just lead to stories of FCs punching their monitors off the desk when trying to mark primary. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
176
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Posted - 2013.01.06 22:38:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:What you're ignoring is that , tablets and touch interfaced based games are mostly softcore games which only satisfies your sudden game urges but provide comparatively little in terms of deapth and complexity which is why most of the people comes to EvE the first place .
CCP has targeted such a niche market and it would be quite pointless to switch to a different architecture just because the majority of the gaming industry is when their prime customers shows no sign of such a transition.
However.... the demographic change is something they might want to look into. The current EvE player age is 27. In a few years as they get married, gets promoted , or generally grows out of video games (people tends to grow out of stuff ,duh), we'll be forced to looking at the 27 years old of 2018 . Now I'm not trying to be discriminating of the younger generation , but from where I stand, I don't think they'll be interested in EvE.
The change will be slow and gradual , but it'll come. SO don't be surprised when on the EvE Con at 2016 or something , EvE turns into WoW As a 14 year old who likes EVE, I would like to confirm what you just said. I tried to show other guys in my class the game, they didn't like it. HOWEVER, they did love the idea of Dust, and I think CCP is making a right move by developing it as it might save them when such a transition occurs. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Phil Da Agony
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.01.06 22:43:00 -
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Tablets and touchscreens **** are just a fashion item, just like the big bad bluff the 3DTV was.
Yeah theyre handy and cool... As a toy, get over it. Sayin that PC gamin is endangered by that particular device type is beyond foolishness.
Gaming industry is movin more money today than films, is the business of the future, and the hi-ends are meant to be played on desktops, not even in laptops.
And well... About the "Linux theory"... You dont know much bout OS-¦s do you? |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.01.06 23:21:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Ageck Kalenia wrote:The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.
I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet. you're looking at $4000 of hardware. tablet can't provide this, and I have a feeling you overpaid http://imgur.com/a/Ii7Q1
Mother of god. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
558
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Posted - 2013.01.06 23:49:00 -
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Most complicated MMO part is server software - client software isn't too hard to port if actually needed.
EVE will be fine until competitors arrive (space MMO sandboxes) - and there is nothing like that on the horizon (Elite and SC aren't MMOs). |
Merouk Baas
394
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:48:00 -
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It's actually not unclear at all where the desktop hardware is heading: multiple cores and multiple graphics cores. Everything is already plug and play.
You may argue tablets vs. laptops vs. desktops, but, bottom line, you will never be able to get the same graphics and processing power for the same price on a portable device. Tablets and laptops may approach desktop power, but they do so at a higher cost.
I'd never play EVE on a tablet. It's a nice gimmic to be able to show at a conference or to your buddies, but get into PVP and tell me how that works out. I would also never play Skyrim or any of the newer games that go for photorealism and visual awesome on a smaller screen than 26-30 inches. Or without 5.1 surround sound.
Tablets and PC's aren't mutually exclusive. You can have a microwave AND an oven AND a grill (and a steam cooker, and a deep fryer, and a pancake maker, and a rottiserie cooker). |
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