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Tisen Tisen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:33:00 -
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Hi!
Ive just started playing with one of my friends and we are totally hooked. I really like the depth in this game, me and my friend just sit and discuss everything while we go through the different tutorials together.
I have not played any other MMO-¦s like WOW and such, and have never liked it cause of the learning curve and the aweful and rude people playing them. But im really happily surprised by the community here and all the helpful players in EVE, really, thank you! I feel really welcome here and it feels like no question is to small or to stupid (Y)
I just cant grasp this skill queue thingy, even though i had people describing to me in the rookie chat. Some of my books i cant rightckick and start level 1, even though my friend can, all i can do is "inject skill". when i do this, it dissapears. i tried drag and drop, but it dissapears. did i loose the opportunity to train this skill and have to buy it again? Some people said that you only could queue 24h skills, but ive had over 2 days in queue before? and my friend can train even he has more than 24h in his queue? i really dont get it, if someone could explain :)
And is there a good overview of how to see wich skills i have learned or is the best view in the character sheet?
Thanks in advance for the answer and thanks again to all you helpful people!
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1041
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:40:00 -
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If you have the skill queue open, you don't get the 'train to level 1' option showing up.
The skill will show up on the left hand pane of the skill queue, so you can add it to to the active queue. (multiple times, Iif you want.)
The best view, in game, is the character sheet. However, I'd suggest also looking at the program EveMon, which allows you to work out training plans. It can't change anything in the game, but helps with planning.
The queue allows you to start skills up to 24 hours away from the current time. That last skill in the queue can take significantly longer than the 24 hours. You'll get used to skills taking multiple days to complete. 7 days isn't abnormal, and I've got one with 25 days left to go on it. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
1819
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:44:00 -
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Tisen Tisen wrote:Hi!
Ive just started playing with one of my friends and we are totally hooked. I really like the depth in this game, me and my friend just sit and discuss everything while we go through the different tutorials together.
I have not played any other MMO-¦s like WOW and such, and have never liked it cause of the learning curve and the aweful and rude people playing them. But im really happily surprised by the community here and all the helpful players in EVE, really, thank you! I feel really welcome here and it feels like no question is to small or to stupid (Y)
I just cant grasp this skill queue thingy, even though i had people describing to me in the rookie chat. Some of my books i cant rightckick and start level 1, even though my friend can, all i can do is "inject skill". when i do this, it dissapears. i tried drag and drop, but it dissapears. did i loose the opportunity to train this skill and have to buy it again? Some people said that you only could queue 24h skills, but ive had over 2 days in queue before? and my friend can train even he has more than 24h in his queue? i really dont get it, if someone could explain :)
And is there a good overview of how to see wich skills i have learned or is the best view in the character sheet?
Thanks in advance for the answer and thanks again to all you helpful people!
Well, don't know about the "inject skillbook" and "train to level 1" issue, I know it's there, but don't know the reason.
When you inject a skillbook it's like reading it. After you inject the skillbook it will show up in your list of skills in the skillqueue manager. So they don't disappear, they just move to another window =), no need to buy it a 2nd time.
EDIT:
Steve beat me to the issue, unknown to me. You see, even after 2 years of playing you still learn. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Tisen Tisen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:48:00 -
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Ok thank you that made some sense, i really get confused by all the different skills and the lack of knowledge about why i need to train them :P
certificates looks like a good way of planning and setting up goals, and i will get evemon and try it out, experiment a bit, guess thats a healthy way of learning things :D
Oh! and lets say im training a skill thats take up a whole lot of time and i want to train other skills that take up shorter time instead, can i right click and "remove" the long one from the queue and then come back to it later on or is that time wasted and i have to start from 0? |
Slymah
Tax Evasionist
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:58:00 -
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"injecting" a skill simply puts it into your characters skill base but does not start training it.
You did not lose it .. it's forever attatched to your character with a skill setting of 0 (zero). You can start training it whenever you like.
As for the skill queue, you can have multiple skills in the queue as long as your longest skill "Start" time is within the 24 hour limit.
Sooo.. if you want to train any skill that has a total training time of less than 24 hours you can set that skill to train before any skill with a total training time greater than 24 hours. Once the first skill is finished it will start in on the longer skill.
I'm sure someone else can explain it better lol. It's a simple concept but I suck at explanations!
Yes people in EVE are vastly nicer than most MMOs for a few reasons. One server means you cannot escape your characters reputation! It is also very unforgiving, people are friendly out of necessity .. without friends to help you in this game you are doomed.
*Remember this - In most MMOs, scamming, cheating, lying, stealing, and total anihilation is either frowned on or restricted. In EVE this behavior is perfectly acceptable! Beware of everyone you meet in game. This does NOT mean they are mean people, in most cases the person that just burned your face off will also give you good tips *after* he robs you silly.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1041
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:58:00 -
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I'd highly recommend: Eve university's Wiki. It's chock full of handy stuff. The ISK guide.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Smurfprime%27s_Guide_to_Basic_Tanking http://www.isktheguide.com/
Unfortunately many of the specifics are out of date, as there has been extensive rebalancing of ships. However, the general details are still accurate.
General details like: Pick a single type of tank for a ship. Don't mix Armor and shield tanking modules.
FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Valentine Arkanian
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:58:00 -
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Tisen Tisen wrote:Ok thank you that made some sense, i really get confused by all the different skills and the lack of knowledge about why i need to train them :P
certificates looks like a good way of planning and setting up goals, and i will get evemon and try it out, experiment a bit, guess thats a healthy way of learning things :D I'm pretty new too so I hope this is good advice, but I've been using the cert planner as a road map, and it's very helpful. The first thing I'd suggest is training your Core Competency Basic cert, because most of what you'll want to do builds from that. The skill planner in EveMon is really helpful when you can't add anything to the skill queue. Just check that list to see what's next when you get notified that you have free room.
Quote:Oh! and lets say im training a skill thats take up a whole lot of time and i want to train other skills that take up shorter time instead, can i right click and "remove" the long one from the queue and then come back to it later on or is that time wasted and i have to start from 0? I'm almost positive it starts where it left off, but as long as you're within 24 hours I'd just move it to the bottom of the queue. |
Slymah
Tax Evasionist
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:01:00 -
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Tisen Tisen wrote:Ok thank you that made some sense, i really get confused by all the different skills and the lack of knowledge about why i need to train them :P
certificates looks like a good way of planning and setting up goals, and i will get evemon and try it out, experiment a bit, guess thats a healthy way of learning things :D
Oh! and lets say im training a skill thats take up a whole lot of time and i want to train other skills that take up shorter time instead, can i right click and "remove" the long one from the queue and then come back to it later on or is that time wasted and i have to start from 0?
You don't lose skill points anymore when switching training around.
You CAN lose skill points if you don't update your clone and are podded though.. always update your clone! |
Tisen Tisen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:09:00 -
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Slymah wrote:"injecting" a skill simply puts it into your characters skill base but does not start training it.
You did not lose it .. it's forever attatched to your character with a skill setting of 0 (zero). You can start training it whenever you like.
As for the skill queue, you can have multiple skills in the queue as long as your longest skill "Start" time is within the 24 hour limit.
Sooo.. if you want to train any skill that has a total training time of less than 24 hours you can set that skill to train before any skill with a total training time greater than 24 hours. Once the first skill is finished it will start in on the longer skill.
I'm sure someone else can explain it better lol. It's a simple concept but I suck at explanations!
Yes people in EVE are vastly nicer than most MMOs for a few reasons. One server means you cannot escape your characters reputation! It is also very unforgiving, people are friendly out of necessity .. without friends to help you in this game you are doomed.
*Remember this - In most MMOs, scamming, cheating, lying, stealing, and total anihilation is either frowned on or restricted. In EVE this behavior is perfectly acceptable! Beware of everyone you meet in game. This does NOT mean they are mean people, in most cases the person that just burned your face off will also give you good tips *after* he robs you silly.
Really nicely described, i actually think i get it :P
As for the people in Eve, i get the behavior, its just the rudeness i hate sooo much, been playing League of legends for a long time and all you people who have played it knows what i meen when im talking about rage, blaming and yelling and lack of helping.
And i think it has a lot to do with the type of game EVE seems to be, i dont think that kind of people play this game (too young and lack of committing?), maybe im wrong though, but thats what it seems to me.
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Trax Rabbit
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:02:00 -
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http://www.restokin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Sensory_Overload.jpg
^sure its old .. still relevant though!
Yea you are right though. The immature / instant gratification crowds generally don't play this game (for very long anyhow).
Seriously .. if you reaaaaally don't like someone in this game you can put together a 2 year plan and DESTROY THEM. There is nothing preventing you from carrying out your deepest, darkest revenge schemes and implementing them in a way that scars their very soul.
In other games you lose nothing when killed.. In EVE you can lose everything. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1460
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Posted - 2013.01.07 00:08:00 -
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To access your skill queue:
Method one: 1. Click on your portrait at the top left of the Necom (menu bar). 2. Click on Skills. 3. Click on the skill tab (others: History, Settings). 4. Click on Open Training Queue at the top right of the skills tab.
Method two: 1. Double-click on the skill training progress bar under your portrait at the top left of the Neocom.
Note: I think by default the checkbox "Skills that fit within the queue's timeframe" is checked. I recommend un-checking it. I also recommend "Show all skills" on the skill settings tab.
You can put more than 24 hours of skills in the queue if the last skill is longer.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_training |
Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2013.01.07 02:57:00 -
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Tau what is that jacket you are wearing?
EDIT: Just saw the 'Silvershore" on the market for 2b...wow! |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6197
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:11:00 -
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Tisen Tisen wrote: I have not played any other MMO-¦s like WOW and such, and have never liked it cause of the learning curve and the aweful and rude people playing them.
Clarification... Eve has no learning curve, it's a cliff and if you fall off you will die
We have the best players in the world... if you get kepsploded convo the gankers and politely ask what you did wrong and they'll be more than happy to help you and give you good advice "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1461
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:31:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:Tau what is that jacket you are wearing?
EDIT: Just saw the 'Silvershore" on the market for 2b...wow! Yes, that's it. I was changing my portrait a while back, and I wanted a different look than my other characters. I think I paid just over 1b ISK for the Silvershore at that time.
It is a limited number item CCP released as an apology for a screw-up they made (only people that purchased a 25 PLEX package during a special offer were eligible to receive the Silvershore), and the price continues to rise because of its rarity.
To help put the ISK in context, I estimate I earned about 4b ISK this weekend. I'm usually much more lazy, as I usually don't make an effort to earn ISK unless I need to. My motivation this weekend was to buy a year's worth of POS fuel, which I did, and without lowering my wallet balance. I'm not especially good at earning ISK compared to many, as I'm excessively cautious, but I do know what works for me.
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Cannibal Kane
Chosen of New Eden
1197
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Posted - 2013.01.07 10:39:00 -
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Also.... some skill need other skills to be trained to a certain level before you can inject and train them
If your unable to inject a skill book, check on the required tab on what skill your missing. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
568
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:23:00 -
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On an entirely different note, just because we're helpful on the newbie forums and help channel doesn't mean we won't completely obliterate you, rob you, scam you and "grief" the crap out of you ingame. In most cases the manner on how people react depends on the stance you take. If you go "waaah, this is unfaaiiiir!" you'll get trouble, but if you go "ok, that sucked, how to improve my gameplay please as to avoid it or actually turn it around and do it myself" you'll find you'll get a lot more helpful reactions, perhaps even from the ones who did it to you.
With the right attitude, which you seem to have, you'll do just fine.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:31:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Tisen Tisen wrote: I have not played any other MMO-¦s like WOW and such, and have never liked it cause of the learning curve and the aweful and rude people playing them.
Clarification... Eve has no learning curve, it's a cliff and if you fall off you will die We have the best players in the world... if you get kepsploded convo the gankers and politely ask what you did wrong and they'll be more than happy to help you and give you good advice
Oh please, stop spreading the myth of the Cliff.
The only hard part of the game is learning to read. |
Doddy
Excidium.
822
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:33:00 -
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Tisen Tisen wrote: Oh! and lets say im training a skill thats take up a whole lot of time and i want to train other skills that take up shorter time instead, can i right click and "remove" the long one from the queue and then come back to it later on or is that time wasted and i have to start from 0?
Yes you can and should do this. You can stop and start skills as you like, there are only two ways to lose a sp once it has bean "learned", the most common of which is being pod-killed in a clone that doesn't cover your sp total. The second is if you are flying a tech 3 ship that gets blown up.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
571
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:14:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Tisen Tisen wrote: I have not played any other MMO-¦s like WOW and such, and have never liked it cause of the learning curve and the aweful and rude people playing them.
Clarification... Eve has no learning curve, it's a cliff and if you fall off you will die We have the best players in the world... if you get kepsploded convo the gankers and politely ask what you did wrong and they'll be more than happy to help you and give you good advice Oh please, stop spreading the myth of the Cliff. The only hard part of the game is learning to read.
Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:41:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote: Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Agreed. People who have never played an MMO seem to find EVE easier than those who have developed preconceptions in other MMOs.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:57:00 -
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Valentine Arkanian wrote:I'm almost positive it starts where it left off, but as long as you're within 24 hours I'd just move it to the bottom of the queue.
This is correct. I had the exact same concern, waaaay back in March 2007, but I was told by helpful veteran players, in the Rookie or Help chat channel, to not worry: I wouldn't lose progress.
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Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:58:00 -
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Drag and drop works with the skill queue. You can drag a skill up and down to change its position in the queue, and you can drag skills from your character list to the queue to add them, at the top, in the middle, or at the bottom.
When you hit apply your current skill is paused and whatever's at the top of the queue gets started. |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.01.07 17:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote: Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Agreed. People who have never played an MMO seem to find EVE easier than those who have developed preconceptions in other MMOs. I never played an MMO before EvE and I still wouldn't call it easy, but I did a lot of research before I even signed up for the trial.
Later on, I tried LotRO, and it bored me to tears. The grind, man. The grind. |
Tisen Tisen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 17:59:00 -
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Thanks for all the help guys, i can now manage my skill queue ;)
Eve may be hard.... but i tend to really enjoy the ride and muddle along as i play, i dont want to plan everything beforehand and do so much research, that would make my journey less fun. I think it gets hard when you tend to rush your way to your goals and you force yourself to learn.
I take it slooow and let it all sink in :) |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
1820
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote: Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Agreed. People who have never played an MMO seem to find EVE easier than those who have developed preconceptions in other MMOs.
EVE was the first MMO that I really played (not counting a trial here and there).
EVE got me hooked up quite fast and after that tried couple of other MMOs. All of them had me respond "Well this sucks, this isn't any way near as good as EVE" after which I usually closed it, uninstalled it and launched EVE again. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Thomas Gore
Black Dawn Rising
176
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Posted - 2013.01.08 09:24:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Also.... some skill need other skills to be trained to a certain level before you can inject and train them
If your unable to inject a skill book, check on the required tab on what skill your missing.
Actually the option "Inject skill" is always there and if you try to do it and fail, the game will tell you why (which skills you are missing or if the skill has already been injected). |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
222
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote: Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Agreed. People who have never played an MMO seem to find EVE easier than those who have developed preconceptions in other MMOs.
You think? I mean, the interface is pretty antiquated in MMO terms (and I'm talking about the actual functionality, so no, circles around my target instead of squares don't make any difference, thanks) but it's really quite standard for some of the older ones. Reminds me a lot of the water levels from Dark Age of Camelot with a large dash of "hey? remember windows 3.1? Well, you'd damned well better, because WE DO" thrown in for good measure.
Or Aion, the controls and fundamental paradigms of dealing with momentum are VERY close to Aion's.
Honestly, even if you're restricted to modern games, if you've played some tribes and played some WoW with a character with a ranged auto attack then Eve's not gonna be rocket science for you. Well, I mean technically it _is_ rocket science, but it's the easy parts with simple two-body orbits and acceleration you did in grade school, not the hard parts like designing life-support systems for both free-fall and seven gees.
(More generally, I've never really understood this "Eve is a beautiful and unique snowflake and nothing is like it, ever" stick that so many players seem to have up their hind end. It's an MMO, guys, they crib off each other _constantly_, Eve's no exception and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact that it's about goddam spaceships instead of goddam wizards is plenty fine as far as distinctions go, otherwise the fact that it's a well-made game with good expansions is sufficient to not shame your families or whatever you're worried about.) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1044
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Posted - 2013.01.08 11:58:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Malcanis wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote: Actually the "hard" part is to unlearn what WOW, EQ2 and all the other MMOs have taught you.
Agreed. People who have never played an MMO seem to find EVE easier than those who have developed preconceptions in other MMOs. You think? I mean, the interface is pretty antiquated in MMO terms (and I'm talking about the actual functionality, so no, circles around my target instead of squares don't make any difference, thanks) but it's really quite standard for some of the older ones. Reminds me a lot of the water levels from Dark Age of Camelot with a large dash of "hey? remember windows 3.1? Well, you'd damned well better, because WE DO" thrown in for good measure. Or Aion, the controls and fundamental paradigms of dealing with momentum are VERY close to Aion's. Honestly, even if you're restricted to modern games, if you've played some tribes and played some WoW with a character with a ranged auto attack then Eve's not gonna be rocket science for you. Well, I mean technically it _is_ rocket science, but it's the easy parts with simple two-body orbits and acceleration you did in grade school, not the hard parts like designing life-support systems for both free-fall and seven gees. (More generally, I've never really understood this "Eve is a beautiful and unique snowflake and nothing is like it, ever" stick that so many players seem to have up their hind end. It's an MMO, guys, they crib off each other _constantly_, Eve's no exception and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact that it's about goddam spaceships instead of goddam wizards is plenty fine as far as distinctions go, otherwise the fact that it's a well-made game with good expansions is sufficient to not shame your families or whatever you're worried about.)
It's preconceptions like 'pvp server/pve server', buying stuff from npcs, instanced quests and so on that are the problem. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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