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SassyLassy
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:06:00 -
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it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? EFT warriors are amuseing.-á |
Dosan Vendetta
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:08:00 -
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No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2303
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:11:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
You can. Just at 50% speed.
Start training on Char 1 for 24hrs > Pause Training > Start training on Char 2 for 24hrs > Pause Training > etc. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
SassyLassy
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:12:00 -
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Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it.
no matter how you look at it. from starting sp to everything at level V will still take you 27 years.. EFT warriors are amuseing.-á |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
226
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:21:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it. no matter how you look at it. from starting sp to everything at level V will still take you 27 years..
because everyone needs Quantum Mechanics 5 Tactical reconfiguration 5
It takes under 2 years to train skills you will actually use and will make you nerf proof. You should be more concerned about what corp and Alliance you are in because even if you have 150 mill SP you will die to gank and proving you are capable of doing it yourself seems to scare the bigger alliances. |
SassyLassy
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.01.07 03:25:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:SassyLassy wrote:Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it. no matter how you look at it. from starting sp to everything at level V will still take you 27 years.. because everyone needs Quantum Mechanics 5 Tactical reconfiguration 5 It takes under 2 years to train skills you will actually use and will make you nerf proof. You should be more concerned about what corp and Alliance you are in because even if you have 150 mill SP you will die to gank and proving you are capable of doing it yourself seems to scare the bigger alliances.
im trying to get all me charecters to have everything maxed lol. i wanna be that gal who can fly all 4 races of titan perfectly :) EFT warriors are amuseing.-á |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
374
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:19:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
Money?
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1940
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:29:00 -
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You can train two at the same time at 100% speed. It just costs you double. Two high skilled characters on a single account is highly inefficient. Yet if you want that setup, use a second account then pay later to move the second character to the first account and then drop the whole second account. It would save you time from swapping AND wasting a ton of time trying to make either halfway decent at anything involving spaceships. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2083
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Posted - 2013.01.07 04:30:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:im trying to get all me charecters to have everything maxed lol. i wanna be that gal who can fly all 4 races of titan perfectly :) Well,gl o7 |
Mr Pragmatic
476
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Posted - 2013.01.07 06:08:00 -
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The whole thought process too behind only one character training is that you can only play one of your characters in any MMO at any giving time. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged. |
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
791
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Posted - 2013.01.07 06:46:00 -
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you know what would be really awesome ?
masteraccount We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
(BANNER WAS USED FOR THIS POST) |
Gothikia
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
37
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Posted - 2013.01.07 07:13:00 -
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No. Don't be a ******* jew and just buy another account. <3 Gothie |
Solstice Project
Join me if you hate people
2512
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Posted - 2013.01.07 08:05:00 -
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We never had this thread before. There is no search function. It's a brilliant idea. Go DIAF. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
512
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Posted - 2013.01.07 08:37:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:you know what would be really awesome ?
masteraccount
Oh hey, I like this one. This should be a thread in F&I. Lestatra: Eve is now fully committed to pvp . |
Matthew97
Pro Synergy ARK.
149
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Posted - 2013.01.07 08:49:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
TL;DR - OP wants to train a character to sell for ISK but don't want to pay for a 2nd account/ |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
177
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Posted - 2013.01.07 09:10:00 -
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Gothikia wrote:No. Don't be a ******* jew and just buy another account. <----- A jew with two accounts being paid for using money, not PLEX. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1836
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Posted - 2013.01.07 09:54:00 -
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I have deleted some posts with inappropriate language here. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
392
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:08:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... *insert witty saying here* |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
126
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:54:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...
Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head.
OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1178
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:07:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
It would be even nicer (for CCP) if they could get more subscriptions per month, especially from players who are in love with and addicted to the game and therefore will stick around for a long time. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6866
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:16:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
it would be nice if the pub gave me 2 free refills every time I bought a pint of beer
Why hasn't this been added in yes, The Rose & Crown? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
703
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:31:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:SassyLassy wrote:Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it. no matter how you look at it. from starting sp to everything at level V will still take you 27 years.. because everyone needs Quantum Mechanics 5 Tactical reconfiguration 5 It takes under 2 years to train skills you will actually use and will make you nerf proof. You should be more concerned about what corp and Alliance you are in because even if you have 150 mill SP you will die to gank and proving you are capable of doing it yourself seems to scare the bigger alliances.
This, also as owner of 102mil sp char char i must say, even you got 400mil sp and while you siting in specific ship max what you use its like small percent of total SP you got, another view you train skills for 5-6 years but while using specific ship + weapon system + some tank is like you play only few months ;) EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
137
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:43:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
Oddly enough -- CCP is actually a business, with employees that need paychecks and shareholders who expect something profitable to eventually come of their investment.
Funny that.
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TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
332
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:46:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:
im trying to get all me charecters to have everything maxed lol. i wanna be that gal who can fly all 4 races of titan perfectly :)
you don't need everything on lvl 5 for that
also, no to your idea.
Character farming shouldn't be a thing -¼-¼ |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
416
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:50:00 -
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Please tell us the name of any other MMO that you can level up multiple characters on the same account at the same time.
Also learn to search, this is an incredibly bad idea that has been posted before.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
28
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:03:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
Because it's OP. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
158
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:26:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head. OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream?
CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right.
The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Lord Leftfield
The Society Calyxes
73
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:28:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:I have deleted some posts with inappropriate language here.
Dear CCP Eterne, what is inappropriate language in GD? |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
425
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:35:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head. OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream? CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right. The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. In case you missed the memo, CCP doesn't "provide" PLEX, they sell them (for more than the cost/month of a multi-month subscription).
"Free to play" players who buy PLEX with isk to keep their accounts active are actually *more* profitable for CCP. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
127
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Posted - 2013.01.07 16:52:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head. OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream? CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right. The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. In case you missed the memo, CCP doesn't "provide" PLEX, they sell them (for more than the cost/month of a multi-month subscription). "Free to play" players who buy PLEX with isk to keep their accounts active are actually *more* profitable for CCP.
Buzzy gave exactly the same answer as I would have done regarding PLEX.
Also, I've been playing about 18 months now so I don't fall into the "many years player" bracket. Yup, my 'toons do train up when I'm offline, but I pay for the privilege, by having two full subscriptions. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3268
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:15:00 -
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Lord Leftfield wrote:CCP Eterne wrote:I have deleted some posts with inappropriate language here. Dear CCP Eterne, what is inappropriate language in GD? He'd tell you but then he'd have to delete himself. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3268
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:17:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it. no matter how you look at it. from starting sp to everything at level V will still take you 27 years.. Financial issues aside, have you ever stopped to think that perhaps that is the point?
This forces you to make decisions on your skill path as you are never going to get everything to max, thus avoiding the miscalculation of games that DO allow you to eventually master everything and consequently quit out of boredom. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2308
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:18:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right.
The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE.
Where do you thin PLEX come from?
Every time someone pays with PLEX, CCP gets $17.5 instead of $12-$15.
Transferring toons earns CCP either $20 or $35, depending on whether you pay with cash or PLEX, so even allowing you to train 2 toons on one account for an extra PLEX a month works out poorly for CCP.
If you want to train 2 characters at full speed, buy a second account. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Jacob Rider
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
18
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:23:00 -
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SassyLassy -- your idea is bad, and you should feel bad.
Because our characters still skill up even if we don't log in (as long as the account stays paid up), having multiple characters train at the same time would be way overpowered.
You want multiple fully-trained characters? Pay for or PLEX multiple accounts. I have three, and I know I'm at the low end of the scale. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3268
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:25:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head. OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream? CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right. The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. Others are already educating you on your errors concerning PLEX, so I'll simply point out that people who obsess over the amount of skill points they have really don't understand how EvE works, and likely aren't getting much enjoyment out of the game as they should.
I personally spend far more time playing lesser skilled characters than I do this one, they tend to be more challenging and enjoyable overall... and I'm not alone. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
130
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:36:00 -
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OK A slight change of direction but one I would appreciate at times...
I would like to have the training queue account wide. Ie still fitting within the rules for one toon setting up queue (final skill starts within 24 hours) I could have my training start on toon 2 without having to log on at some inconvenient time to stop one queue and start the other. Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2308
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:57:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:OK A slight change of direction but one I would appreciate at times...
I would like to have the training queue account wide. Ie still fitting within the rules for one toon setting up queue (final skill starts within 24 hours) I could have my training start on toon 2 without having to log on at some inconvenient time to stop one queue and start the other.
That would be a welcome change. That or allowing us to pause training from the character select screen. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
115
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Posted - 2013.01.07 19:47:00 -
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Actually, I would just like CCP to give us 2 more slots on each account, total of 5. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
417
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:02:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE.
If you actually bothered to think about it for a min, you would see that if CCP changed the system to allow 2 chars on the same account to skill up at the same time, it would not be more of an advantage to New or Old players. Nore would it change the amount of skillpoints each character has.
So claiming that its the old players who oppose this idea because they want to maintain some sort of SP advantage is total BS!
Maybe its because older players can see how that sort of change would lead to everyone skilling up an alt on the same account simply to sell and the game would quickly become flooded with bought characters. And new players just want "moer skillz now OMG Roxors!!!11!!!!11!!!"
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
130
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:07:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. If you actually bothered to think about it for a min, you would see that if CCP changed the system to allow 2 chars on the same account to skill up at the same time, it would not be more of an advantage to New or Old players. Nore would it change the amount of skillpoints each character has. So claiming that its the old players who oppose this idea because they want to maintain some sort of SP advantage is total BS! Maybe its because older players can see how that sort of change would lead to everyone skilling up an alt on the same account simply to sell and the game would quickly become flooded with bought characters. And new players just want "moer skillz now OMG Roxors!!!11!!!!11!!!"
A good point, since if this change ever came about I would personally do one of 2 things...
1) Cut the number of accounts I run 2) Create a load of alts in all my spare slots and start training toons to sell. While still maintaining my sp advantage over newer players.
This in turn leads to another income loss to CCP, since every sod would be training toons to sell, the market value of toons would crash and people would not bother to sell toons since the value of a toon was less than the transfer cost. Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
430
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:13:00 -
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Looking back on the OP, if CCP sold "training slots" on the exact same basis that full accounts are sold it would be a fair deal.
It would result in fewer character transfers, but more people would probably spring for an extra training slot for a PLEX/month than currently go for an extra account, because the additional character they want to train is on an already active account with other character(s) they want to train. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
130
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:18:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Looking back on the OP, if CCP sold "training slots" on the exact same basis that full accounts are sold it would be a fair deal.
It would result in fewer character transfers, but more people would probably spring for an extra training slot for a PLEX/month than currently go for an extra account, because the additional character they want to train is on an already active account with other character(s) they want to train.
But thinking about this from a business viewpoint, if someone will pay you $18 a month extra for a training slot surely they will just pay $18 a month for a second account and then transfer then character for $20 or $35. so I make an extra $20 :)
Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
468
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:55:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)...
wouldn't that be a tragedy?
i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
431
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:03:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Looking back on the OP, if CCP sold "training slots" on the exact same basis that full accounts are sold it would be a fair deal.
It would result in fewer character transfers, but more people would probably spring for an extra training slot for a PLEX/month than currently go for an extra account, because the additional character they want to train is on an already active account with other character(s) they want to train. But thinking about this from a business viewpoint, if someone will pay you $18 a month extra for a training slot surely they will just pay $18 a month for a second account and then transfer then character for $20 or $35. so I make an extra $20 :) Not necessarily, and the character transfer is a decision gate that must be passed for the sale.
If you even lose half of the potential training slot sales to the decision of whether to move the character to a new account, training in place becomes a win at the third month.
To maximize sales you want to make it as easy as possible for people to spend their money with you (hence the massive amounts of attention paid to Amazon's "1-click sale" patent a few years ago. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:04:00 -
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The only difference I see with this and paying for a second account is CCP isn't making money with just training on the one account. Oh and the fact that you can only login with one character at a time anyways. Yes, that character would still be training skills but it wouldn't be making isk or assets. You can sit here an argue that the alt is being harvested to sell to someone else to make isk. Same can be said for the second account. Does it stop people from selling characters? No. Does it slow it down? No. Does it speed it up? No. Does it make it easier? Maybe. Does it decrease profit for CCP? Yes.
Think about it. Characters are sold now from second accounts or the accounts are sold. You still pay for the character transfers if you're selling a character off an account but you want to keep the other characters. So what's the difference? CCP is not getting the extra money from you having to cough up the extra cash/isk to pay for that second account. Skill points and training time has nothing to do with it despite popular belief. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
431
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:13:00 -
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You make good points, Kenneth, but how many people would spring for "1 month" of additional training on their account who wouldn't go for the current system?
It's not a capability issue, it's a convenience issue, and one that CCP could probably make a killing on "1 month" at a time. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
465
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Posted - 2013.01.09 18:18:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
This is very simple
You can sell your characters for in game ISK
If you allowed people to train multiple toons on 1 account, they would train all 3 and only log in to 1 and then sell the other two for a ton of ISK that they literally put ZERO work into, other than logging in and clicking like 2 buttons.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
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Kathern Aurilen
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:28:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... Yup, Mai hit the nail on the head. OP, why would CCP want to effectively nerf their income stream? CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.) The argument you can only play one character in an MMO is bunk also. Let me ask you a question does your character skill up when your not playing? If so why not multiple characters on the same account. Obviously this will reduce the costs of character sales but I think it will bring more players to the game thus increasing CCPs bottom line right. The only players who object to this idea are the ones who spent years training their toons and are usually the same players who say SP's dont matter in this game so why do they object to this....oh thats right SP's do matter in EVE. How is CCP nerfing their income? A PLEX cost more than a the price of a month sub. They are already bought and paid for. Its not like ur zooming around and (dramatic music)"A wild PLEX appears" the u grab it and hold it above ur head Legend of Zelda style. Somebody payed for that plex for it to be in the game.
I think of the Plex is more of a profit "uncertainty".... There are months that the big time plex dealers buy them in bulk, then they're set for a while. And CCP still gets paid |
Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:43:00 -
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Kathern Aurilen wrote:How is CCP nerfing their income? A PLEX cost more than a the price of a month sub. They are already bought and paid for. Its not like ur zooming around and (dramatic music)"A wild PLEX appears" the u grab it and hold it above ur head Legend of Zelda style. Somebody payed for that plex for it to be in the game. First, you have to weaken it. Usually down to the low side of the yellow or red of the health bar. It also helps if you put on status effects. WARNING: Do not use poison or confusion as the PLEX may die.
Second, make sure you have plenty of ultra balls in your ball pouch. You definitely don't wanna run out of balls while trying to catch a PLEX. You could just use a Masterball* and not worry about any of this.
Third, you may hold the PLEX inside which ever ball you used over your head like the tri-force from Legend of Zelda. Although, it is highly recommended to not do this because Team Rocket** may use that opportunity to steal your precious PLEX.
* Masterballs are rare and should be used on super rare PLEXs. ** Allegory for anyone who shoots shuttles and other various ships just to collect PLEX. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1104
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:44:00 -
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As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:57:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:24:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... wouldn't that be a tragedy? i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike.
So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1105
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:33:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP.
No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might aswell just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed?
If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
501
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:34:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? If they do that then ALOT of people will stop using multiple accts (including myself)... wouldn't that be a tragedy? i have one character, one account. i'd like to have one toon that can focus on trading and industrial skills...and another that focuses on the combat aspect of the game. but...i'm not going to pay double to do so. when i first began the game i made an alt to focus on combat...then i realized i couldn't train skills at the same time. disgusted...she's remained unused ever since. two superfluous character slots. it really is the one thing about this game that i strongly dislike. So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because?
even age of conan let you time train feats on multiple characters at once.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
447
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:42:00 -
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Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it.
Ho, I need that achievement with a nice color tittle !
I can already see it from here "Special Nerd", god, I even have a tear in the corner of the eye just by thinking about it.
... dear god, mother of good, all saints, please save those kids, they're not going to do it by them selves...
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Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:49:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP. No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed? If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet. So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where.
It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly?
What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:52:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So you want something that no other MMO gives you (the ability to advance two characters at once) for Free? Because? even age of conan let you time train feats on multiple characters at once.
So does EVE. But just like with Age of Conan, it's not part of the basic package. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1105
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:55:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP. No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed? If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet. So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where. It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly? What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills.
What the **** are you talking about? This thread is about being able to train multiple characters on one account. I have two accounts. I am talking about training three characters on each account at the same time, as per the topic of this thread you nit wit. And I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want to pay for it.
If your proposing we should be able to train a second character on the same account for the price of an extra monthly sub, then there is no point because you can't use the second character at the same time as the first. Why would you not just getting a second account. That's just ********.
If I said, what I think of your intelligence in this sentence (which I almost did), it would have been removed.
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Natasha Stone
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:58:00 -
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The only benefit I can see to this is that you wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee once you're done training your alt. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12581
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:03:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. No, the gamebreaking part is if everyone can do everything without relying on others. Forcing people to use multiple accounts provides real disincentives to trying to do it on your own. The advantage you're talking about is one of more people at once, not one of deeper pockets, and that advantage is entirely intentional. Yes, a single person could try to make use of it too, but again, cost becomes an issue as does co-ordination.
Quote:This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills. Fortunately, money doesn't buy you success here GÇö it just allows you to be a bit less social. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:13:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Arduemont wrote:As a direct reply to the OP,
- Because it's game breaking. Use your head. It's not game breaking. Read one of my earlier post in this thread. It is however, wallet breaking for CCP. No, it's game breaking. It means skills are worthless. If I can train all of my available characters on one account, then I can do or fly everything. I have been playing for 4 years or more, and if I could have trained all of my character on two accounts, I would literally be able to do anything... Between all of my characters, on my two accounts, I would have all of the skills in the game. That, is game breaking. You might as well just triple the skill training speed. Or, why not go one better and start everyone with all available skills maxed? If this were the case, I would have 16 years of training and skillpoints between my two account. You would never find a character who could fly all ship races again, because they would become obsolete. Also, yes, it would hurt CCPs wallet. So you would rather spend $60/month for 16 years of skill points than $30/month for the same amount of time and skill points? You sir are a better man than I to pay more for something when I can get the same thing cheaper else where. It takes the same amount of time to train either way. So you mean to tell me that in 4 years across 4 accounts that you can't do everything there is to do and fly everything there is to fly? What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. You don't want it to change because of all the money you've used to run all of your accounts would have been wasted. This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills. What the **** are you talking about? This thread is about being able to train multiple characters on one account. I have two accounts. I am talking about training three characters on each account at the same time, as per the topic of this thread you nit wit. And I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't want to pay for it. If your proposing we should be able to train a second character on the same account for the price of an extra monthly sub, then there is no point because you can't use the second character at the same time as the first. Why would you not just getting a second account at the same price with the extra benefit of being able to use them both. That's just ********. If I said, what I think of your intelligence in this sentence (which I almost did), it would have been removed. Funny, I almost said the same thing about your intelligence. Let's take a step back and look at both of our arguments.
You're saying that it would break the game to have multiple characters on the same account that can train at the same time which is what the OP wants. So 6 characters across 2 accounts with 4 years of skill points equals 24 years of skill points.
Now, what I'm saying is take those 6 characters and put them across 6 accounts with 4 years of skill points still equals 24 years of skill points total. What's the difference? One pays $90/month and the other pays $30/month. This is going based on $15/month. I would much rather pay the $30 and get the same thing as the 6 account guy but at 1/3rd of the price. You can only log into 2 characters at a time as compared to the other guy who can do 6 at a time. This is already breaking the game. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Kenneth O'Hara
10709
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:What you are saying is that someone who has deeper pockets has an advantage over someone who can't run 3 or more accounts. That my friend is game breaking and is the root of the issue here. No, the gamebreaking part is if everyone can do everything without relying on others. Forcing people to use multiple accounts provides real disincentives to trying to do it on your own. The advantage you're talking about is one of more people at once, not one of deeper pockets, and that advantage is entirely intentional. Yes, a single person could try to make use of it too, but again, cost becomes an issue as does co-ordination. Quote:This is the exact reason why I don't play Korean FTP MMORPGs because the more successful players just happen to have more money and no real skills. Fortunately, money doesn't buy you success here GÇö it just allows you to be a bit less social. So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not? Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2349
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:36:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not?
Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes.
Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts.
If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:38:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not? Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes. Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts. If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier. Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway? Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
705
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:52:00 -
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Option One:
Basic Account - $15, train one toon at a time Silver Account - $25, train two toons at once Gold Account - $30, train all three toons at once
Advantage over Multi-Account is that it costs less and you only need one login. Disadvantage over Multi-Account is that you can still only fly one toon at a time.
Long term effect: More dedicated science/invention/PI/freighter/trade alts come into play, as they can be easily trained up on the backburner and only logged in when actually needed. Less work for CCP and players as many multi-accounts get condensed into single upgrade accounts.
"But CCP would lose money!" No, actually they would make more money, because they'd be tapping into the undiscovered market for all these people who would love to be able to train up science/invention/PI/freighter alts without having to use actual multiple accounts and all the headaches that go with it. People who want to multi-box would still need multiple accounts.
Option Two:
Spend a PLEX, get 45 days of training on an alt toon. Why 45 and not just 30? See above: You can still only fly one toon at a time, so extra training time is to offset the fact that you won't actually be flying that second toon while training is going on in the background. EvE Forum Bingo |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12581
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:59:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway? That's kind of the point: to make it work, you would have to make it a rather foolish option, which in turn makes it a bit pointless to implement to begin with.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:00:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So your telling me 3 characters that can train at the same time on one account but only one can be used at a time is a game breaker and 3 characters across 3 accounts that can all log in at the same time is not? Since the OP wanted the account with 3 training characters to be the same price as current accounts, yes. Because the 3 Accounts cost more than 1 Account, and that penalizes having multiple accounts. If it cost a PLEX a month to train an additional character on your account with a 2 PLEX starting Fee, that would be a fine way to make the bookkeeping easier. Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway?
Some characters don't need to be permanently training. Cyno Alts, SuperCap pilots, etc, all have limits on what they can usefully train. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:01:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Option One:Basic Account - $15, train one toon at a time Silver Account - $25, train two toons at once Gold Account - $30, train all three toons at once Advantage over Multi-Account is that it costs less and you only need one login. Disadvantage over Multi-Account is that you can still only fly one toon at a time. Long term effect: More dedicated science/invention/PI/freighter/trade alts come into play, as they can be easily trained up on the backburner and only logged in when actually needed. Less work for CCP and players as many multi-accounts get condensed into single upgrade accounts. "But CCP would lose money!" No, actually they would make more money, because they'd be tapping into the undiscovered market for all these people who would love to be able to train up science/invention/PI/freighter alts without having to use actual multiple accounts and all the headaches that go with it. People who want to multi-box would still need multiple accounts. Option Two:Spend a PLEX, get 45 days of training on an alt toon. Why 45 and not just 30? See above: You can still only fly one toon at a time, so extra training time is to offset the fact that you won't actually be flying that second toon while training is going on in the background. Also... Solstice Project wrote:We never had this thread before. There is no search function. It's a brilliant idea. Go DIAF. Okay everyone, can anyone show me one single post by this guy that was anything other than poop covered e-peen waving & trolling? Seriously, dude, get a life. This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:07:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login.
Why should CCP give you a discount? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
705
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login. Why should CCP give you a discount?
Because that's $10 more per month than they are making now, because without the discount he's not buying anything extra at all.
$10 > $0
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Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:13:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login. Why should CCP give you a discount? Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time? Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:18:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
Simple from a purely business standpoint.. Po2, second account or whatever special they have at the time.
if you want to train more than one character at the same time, make a power of 2 account and have at it.
From a player view:
training multiple toons on the same account would require either reducing the training speed or some other mechanic and honestly it's just silly. Sure you could say "I have 2, 3 year old characters with 45m SP each" wouldn't you really rather have 1 with 90m? and if cross training is in your view, having core skills on one toon makes it much easier to do as opposed to getting core skills all maxed on multiple toons.
Just my opinion though. Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12582
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:19:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time? Because that's how much it costs to train a character? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time? Because that's how much it costs to train a character?
^^ This too ^^ Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time? Because that's how much it costs to train a character? No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12582
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:24:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account. GǪand what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2+ù that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account. GǪand what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2+ù that. That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Sentinel zx
Deep Core Mining Corporation
11
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:28:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why should I pay twice as much just to have an alt training at the same time? Because that's how much it costs to train a character? No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account.
i don-¦t gate it why do you won-¦t train Multiple Accounts at the same time you can easy buy one or two high skilled ACC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12582
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:34:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it. No, it is in functionality. Once account = one character in training. Want two characters in training? Get two accounts. It's really really simple, and there's little to no reason to provide any discounts. In fact, if anything, it should get progressively worse: the more accounts (and characters) the more expensive each of them should become, but that would be impractical to be point of impossibility to actually monitor and regulate. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1398
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Why not just pay for the other accounts and have the ability to log in at the same time if you're going to pay for it anyway? That's kind of the point: to make it work, you would have to make it a rather foolish option, which in turn makes it a bit pointless to implement to begin with. make it so that as long you are training the second char you can also log in with it in parallel. Pay2Play. If you payed for training in form of 30days gametime, there is no good reason why you shouldn't be able to multibox with it.
If you don't like it just use two accounts. I am sure both options will have their use cases. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1398
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:47:00 -
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here the full deal:
using one plex for your account will give you: - 3 additional char slots (up to a sane limit) - 30 days of training time for a char of your choice - 3 dirty dancers a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Sentinel zx
Deep Core Mining Corporation
11
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=775185#post775185 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2350
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:No, that's how much it cost to sub an account. I don't want another account. GǪand what you get for your sub is the ability to train one (1) character. If you want to train two, it's rather reasonable that you pay 2+ù that. That's not in writing. If it was, I would not have agreed to it. Edit: Maybe we should first clarify the distinction between a character training and an account, no?
One account gets you 3 character slots and one character in training. You could have checked that functionality out while on your free trial period.
It also says so in writing in the official game guide's (EvElopedia) page on Skill Training.
If you didn't read that, and would like to discontinue your account on account of that, you're free to do so in the ways available to you via section 5C of the EULA. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2089
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:58:00 -
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The cure for what causes so many problems with this game is not multiple character training on one acct. It's to have only one character per acct.
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:One account gets you 3 character slots and one character in training. You could have checked that functionality out while on your free trial period. When I pay for an account, I pay for one character to log into the game. NOT for one character to train. Just because it explains this on evelopedia does not mean it was in their ToS or EULA. Therefore it is a mechanic or feature as you want to call it. I also happen to disagree with it and there are others who disagree with it.
@Tippia, I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.
If that is true, why are we having this conversation? Wouldn't there be a lot less people multiboxing accounts? As a matter of fact, I know 2 people just off the top of my head that multibox 5 accounts at a time. Regardless of price, there is still going to be people that do it. Hell, I even have a second account thanks to the power of 2. CCP actually encourages multiple accounts to be used. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:35:00 -
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Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it without spending extra money for it.
Fixed it for you. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:55:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Dosan Vendetta wrote:No it would not! Achievements in the game would be reached to easily and there would be so many people with a range of different things without really having to work for it without spending extra money for it. Fixed it for you. To them, working = spending extra money. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:57:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do many different task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.
If that is true, why are we having this conversation? It's not quite true GÇô see edits for correction. And because you're arguing for even more alts, making that situation even worse. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:03:00 -
[89] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I'm trying to wrap my head around this, you stated earlier that what is actually breaking the game in a sense is people running multiple accounts so they can have multiple characters logged in to do many different task that would normally take several players to do thus becoming anti-social. The purpose of it costing so much to run all of those accounts is to deter people from doing it.
If that is true, why are we having this conversation? It's not quite true GÇô see edits for correction. And because you're arguing for even more alts, making that situation even worse. Ah I see, you don't want people to have characters with different roles under the same person. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1472
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:07:00 -
[90] - Quote
So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader
153
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:23:00 -
[91] - Quote
really op? serious about dat ? you don't see why ccp didn't do it ? really .?
Just for You !!! read it Twice
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Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:23:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week. But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay! Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:31:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:So the general consensus is that it is a bad idea and training multiple toons on one account at the same time should never be talked about again, or at least ANOTHER thread not started about it for at least a week. You're being awfully optimistic with that whole week thingGǪ
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay! Multiple accounts are unavoidable and at least they're not diluting the character pool for free. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10711
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But having multiple accounts, which is basically the same thing, is okay! Multiple accounts are unavoidable and at least they're not diluting the character pool for free. Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos... Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:42:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos... To build different charactersGǪ but you do it at the cost of the main character on that account, so you don't actually end up with more abilities than if you had just one character. You save a bit on clone costs in exchange for having to switch characters if you want to switch tasks.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:48:00 -
[96] - Quote
How do you think CCP makes it money. You really dont think they get their cash flow from unicorns and trolls do you? |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13452
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:56:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:This I can agree on. I would glady pay $10 more a month just to have an alt training than to have a whole other account that requires a separate login. Why should CCP give you a discount? Because that's $10 more per month than they are making now, because without the discount he's not buying anything extra at all. $10 > $0 Plex and subs > 10.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10712
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Then what's the point of having the extra character slots? Oh I know, to have alter egos... To build different charactersGǪ but you do it at the cost of the main character on that account, so you don't actually end up with more abilities than if you had just one character. You save a bit on clone costs in exchange for having to switch characters if you want to switch tasks. But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:06:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated. No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever.
You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated.
What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters and if you want the best of both worlds GÇö training two characters and then having them both on the same account, it becomes even more expensive. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10712
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated. No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever. You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated. What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds GÇö training two characters and then having them both on the same account GÇö it becomes even more expensive.
So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time.
Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
435
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:27:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated. No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever. You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated. What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds GÇö training two characters and then having them both on the same account GÇö it becomes even more expensive. So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time. Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be. Well, yeah.
On the other hand I still don't see the logic behind plexing additional training slots on the same account being game breaking, it's like having multiple accounts only you can only log into one of them at a time.
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Kenneth O'Hara
10712
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:32:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:But we both know this can and will be circumvented with the purchase of another account and is completely unavoidable. It is endosed, supported and encouraged by CCP which makes all the reasons that you can only train one character at a time on one account completely obsolete and outdated. No we don't, largely because it doesn't change the reason or the limitations in any way whatsoever. You can still only train one character per account. If you want to train two characters at the same time, you have to pay for two accounts. There is no circumventing this; nothing is rendered obsolete or outdated. What is being circumvented is some fancy vision of only having one character being built per player, but again, at least it comes at the same cost for all characters. Also, if you want the best of both worlds GÇö training two characters and then having them both on the same account GÇö it becomes even more expensive. So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. They even get to use them at the same time. Just because it's the way it has always been does not mean it is the way it should be. Well, yeah. On the other hand I still don't see the logic behind plexing additional training slots on the same account being game breaking, it's like having multiple accounts only you can only log into one of them at a time. Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
AnzacPaul
Invictus Australis Scrap Iron Flotilla.
113
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:44:00 -
[103] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start.
No it shouldn't. You just want something extra for free.
CCP have made it even easier allowing you to play the game for no charge with GTC purchases with isk.
Also, if you can't afford an extra $15 a month for a game (less than 4 dollars a week), you should really be looking at your financial situation, and not complaining at CCP.
Imagine if it had been like that from the start, the game would mean so much less as characters would be worth nothing. Titan pilots? I got three training on one account at the same time. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10712
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
AnzacPaul wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start.
No it shouldn't. You just want something extra for free. CCP have made it even easier allowing you to play the game for no charge with GTC purchases with isk. Also, if you can't afford an extra $15 a month for a game (less than 4 dollars a week), you should really be looking at your financial situation, and not complaining at CCP. Imagine if it had been like that from the start, the game would mean so much less as characters would be worth nothing. Titan pilots? I got three training on one account at the same time. Ha and you assume because I'm arguing this point that I can't afford extra accounts. It's the principle of the matter.
Edit: What if I had 3 accounts with titan pilots being trained at the same time? Oh i had an extra 30 bucks each mouth so it's ok. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. You can train two characters at once without having deep pockets. In fact, probably the most common reason to have that second account is to ensure that you don't need to spend money on it.
Quote:Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start. No, it really shouldn't. All MMOs work like this, and they do it for a reason: the base hook of these kinds of game is character progression, so in the end, that is what you're paying for. That's what the companies make money from, and it's why ghost training was killed off unceremoniously: because people got the hook for free. Likewise, being able to train multiple characters for free massively dilutes the character pool; massively reduces income for the developer; massively reduces player interdependency; it unbalances player growthGǪ there is literally no upsides to it (no, player miserliness and GǣI want it for freeGǥ-entitlement is not an upside).
If you want to train two characters at once, you can. For double the spread of progression (note: spread, not speed), you GÇö quite fairly GÇö pay double the price. The game generously offers means to do that without having deep pockets, so there's not even that kind of unfairness. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10712
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So only people with deeper pockets should be able to train 2 characters at the same time. You can train two characters at once without having deep pockets. In fact, probably the most common reason to have that second account is to ensure that you don't need to spend money on it. Quote:Well that is pointless which is why I'm arguing to just let us train an additional character on the same account for free. Which is the way it should have been from the start. No, it really shouldn't. All MMOs work like this, and they do it for a reason: the base hook of these kinds of game is character progression, so in the end, that is what you're paying for. That's what the companies make money from, and it's why ghost training was killed off unceremoniously: because people got the hook for free. Likewise, being able to train multiple characters for free massively dilutes the character pool; massively reduces income for the developer; massively reduces player interdependency; it unbalances player growthGǪ there is literally no upsides to it (no, player miserliness and GÇ£I want it for freeGÇ¥-entitlement is not an upside). If you want to train two characters at once, you can. For double the spread of progression (note: spread, not speed), you GÇö quite fairly GÇö pay double the price. The game generously offers means to do that without having deep pockets, so there's not even that kind of unfairness. You're assuming that all MMOs train skills real time like EVE... They don't. The only reason you can't "skill" up other characters at the same time in other MMOs is because it is completely different mechanics and requires you to be logged in to get said skills and levels. You just compared EVE to WoW. EVE is completely different.
Oh and it's not "for free" as you say. I already pay my monthly sub for one account. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:12:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:You're assuming that all MMOs train skills real time like EVE. Nope. I'm simply stating facts: EVE lets you work on the advancement of one character at a time GÇö an industry-wide convention (unsurprisingly since that's usually the hook of the game). Exactly how it is done is inconsequential because it would always be possible to train all characters at once if the developers wanted to. Of course, doing so would mean giving you stuff that you'd otherwise have to pay for so why on earth would (or should) they give you that for free?
Quote:Oh and it's not "for free" as you say. I already pay my monthly sub for one account. GǪand you get the one character training slot for that. Two more without paying more is about as free as it gets. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2350
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:12:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Oh and it's not "for free" as you say. I already pay my monthly sub for one account.
Which, as in literally every other MMO, allows you to progress with one character at a time. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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Kenneth O'Hara
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:You're assuming that all MMOs train skills real time like EVE. Nope. I'm simply stating facts: EVE lets you work on the advancement of one character at a time GÇö an industry-wide convention (unsurprisingly since that's usually the hook of the game). Exactly how it is done is inconsequential. It's only a convention because nobody had a system where it was feasibly possible to level a character without logging in to the game. Just because it hasn't been done does not mean that the opposite is an industry standard. Besides, standards change.
Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Oh and it's not "for free" as you say. I already pay my monthly sub for one account. GǪand you get the one character training slot for that. Two more without paying more is about as free as it gets. We've already established that I'm not paying to train one character but I am paying to log in with one character. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:28:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:It's only a convention because nobody had a system where it was feasibly possible to level a character without logging in to the game. Eh, no. It's been feasible from day #1 of MMO #1 and isn't even difficult to imagine, let alone implement: the XP equivalent is account-wide, each character builds independently using that XP amount.
Boom done easy. So you can drop that nonsense. No-one does it because that's where they make money, not because it can't be done. Hell, even the free-to-play games make money that way. EVE is is no way unique, neither in the decision to only let you advance one character at a time, nor in the ability to implement such a design.
Quote:We've already established that I'm not paying to train one character but I am paying to log in with one character. No. You've only established that you think you're entitled to more. If you don't think you get enough for your buck, stop paying it. Beyond that, it's a very simple rule: you pay for one account; one account lets you train one character. If you want to train multiple characters, get multiple accounts. Three times the spread means three times the price, to absolutely no-one's surprise.
So no, wanting three times more training without any additional payment is still to want something for free. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
52
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:37:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ?
IF you must know... you used to be able to do exactly that. then ccp stopped it. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10713
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:It's only a convention because nobody had a system where it was feasibly possible to level a character without logging in to the game. Eh, no. It's been feasible from day #1 of MMO #1 and isn't even difficult to imagine, let alone implement: the XP equivalent is account-wide, each character builds independently using that XP amount. Boom done easy. So you can drop that nonsense. No-one does it because that's where they make money, not because it can't be done. Hell, even the free-to-play games make money that way. EVE is is no way unique, neither in the decision to only let you advance one character at a time, nor in the ability to implement such a design. You can't gain XP (experience) without logging in with the character. Based on your equivalence of XP to SP, we have to log in to that character to just train skills. This is an industry standard, supposedly.
Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'hara wrote:We've already established that I'm not paying to train one character but I am paying to log in with one character. No. You've only established that you think you're entitled to more. If you don't think you get enough for your buck, stop paying it. Beyond that, it's a very simple rule: you pay for one account; one account lets you train one character. If you want to train multiple characters, get multiple accounts. Three times the spread means three times the price, to absolutely no-one's surprise. So no, wanting three times more training without any additional payment is still to want something for free. Technically, I'm not entitled to anything outside of having access to the game which is the ability to log in. According to you and everybody else here it seems, I'm only entitled to one character.
I am very happy with my services thus far in case you were wondering. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:58:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:You can't gain XP (experience) without logging in with the character. Sure you can, if the developer wants to let you. Do you want to take a stab at guessing why they don't?
So again, you can drop the silly charade about it being some kind of massive technical hurdle and that EVE would in any way be unique in how it could allow parallel progression.
Quote:Technically, I'm not entitled to anything outside of having access to the game which is the ability to log in. According to you and everybody else here it seems, I'm only entitled to one character. No. According to us, you're entitled to three characters per account, as demonstrated by the three character slots at your disposal. Here, as everywhere else, you can only work on the progression of one of them at a time, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10713
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:You can't gain XP (experience) without logging in with the character. Sure you can, if the developer wants to let you. Do you want to take a stab at guessing why they don't? So again, you can drop the silly charade about it being some kind of massive technical hurdle and that EVE would in any way be unique in how it could allow parallel progression. Quote:Technically, I'm not entitled to anything outside of having access to the game which is the ability to log in. According to you and everybody else here it seems, I'm only entitled to one character. No. According to us, you're entitled to three characters per account, as demonstrated by the three character slots at your disposal. Here, as everywhere else, you can only work on the progression of one of them at a time, though. Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
Edit: Prepare for the lock and the CCP clean up. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12583
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:16:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. Again, it's how everyone does it. So what?
Quote:CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play. GǪand you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2350
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:31:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
Edit: Prepare for the lock and the CCP clean up.
When do you claim that CCP made any such change?
You have never been able to train more than one character on one account. Just like every other MMO where you can only advance with one character at a time per account (people Multibox WOW to progress more than one character, and, surprise to no one, each has to be on a different account). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10713
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. Again, it's how everyone does it. So what? Quote:CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play. GǪand you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose? Actually yeah, take a look at all the patches and expansions. When was training of additional characters on the same account at the same time changed? When was the Power of 2 first implemented? When was the plexing service first started? You need to take a look at the games entire history and the stock market history for the company. Also take a look at the market ticker for CCP. Oh wait, you can't because its all private stock.
You're not going to find an article on this because it has to be researched from inside the company and CCP is not going to put something like that on their own because it makes them look bad. The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence. The research needs to be done.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2351
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:56:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Actually yeah, take a look at all the patches and expansions. When was training of additional characters on the same account at the same time changed? When was the Power of 2 first implemented? When was the plexing service first started? You need to take a look at the games entire history and the stock market history for the company. Also take a look at the market ticker for CCP. Oh wait, you can't because its all private stock. You're not going to find an article on this because it has to be researched from inside the company and CCP is not going to put something like that on their own because it makes them look bad. The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence. The research needs to be done.
I think that someone would have noticed and publicly commented on a giant change like "you can no longer train 3 characters at once."
Find (and post) some evidence that you could ever train more than one character per account, or take off your tinfoil hat and come back to Earth.
You say the research has to be done, you make the claim, you get to do the research. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10713
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Posted - 2013.01.10 05:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Actually yeah, take a look at all the patches and expansions. When was training of additional characters on the same account at the same time changed? When was the Power of 2 first implemented? When was the plexing service first started? You need to take a look at the games entire history and the stock market history for the company. Also take a look at the market ticker for CCP. Oh wait, you can't because its all private stock. You're not going to find an article on this because it has to be researched from inside the company and CCP is not going to put something like that on their own because it makes them look bad. The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence. The research needs to be done. I think that someone would have noticed and publicly commented on a giant change like "you can no longer train 3 characters at once." Find (and post) some evidence that you could ever train more than one character per account, or take off your tinfoil hat and come back to Earth. You say the research has to be done, you make the claim, you get to do the research. I never claimed that it was changed. Read earlier post by someone else. You only read mine and assume it was me that made such claim. I like how you "noticed". I am going based off that other player. Ill of me to make such judgement before reading further into it. If it was never so then so what? I have no need to do the research on this particular point. I will however research everything else. You can take that tinfoilhattery non-sense that you claim I speak and shove it.
What is up with everyone in this game? If someone disagrees with the majority of the older player base, they are considered "stupid". They then precede to talk down to the player, not the opposing idea. It would seem that thinking outside of the norm is highly discouraged.
I'm of course, referring to the earlier block who resorted to a lot of *s in his post to try and prove his point. As for the others, well done on the debate. I will have to concede and count this as a loss for the judges are the same ones I am opposing Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops THE ROYAL NAVY
1106
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Posted - 2013.01.10 05:55:00 -
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I've stopped reading this thread, because the complete lack of logic and people just whining that they want more skillpoints has put me off. Moving on. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2352
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Posted - 2013.01.10 06:32:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I never claimed that it was changed. Read earlier post by someone else. You only read mine and assume it was me that made such claim. I like how you "noticed". I am going based off that other player. Ill of me to make such judgement before reading further into it. If it was never so then so what? I have no need to do the research on this particular point. I will however research everything else. You can take that tinfoilhattery non-sense that you claim I speak and shove it.
What's all this then?
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play.
Edit: Prepare for the lock and the CCP clean up.
So when do you think CCP changed the number of Characters you can train on each account?
Quote:What is up with everyone in this game? If someone disagrees with the majority of the older player base, they are considered "stupid". They then precede to talk down to the player, not the opposing idea. It would seem that thinking outside of the norm is highly discouraged.
I'm of course, referring to the earlier block who resorted to a lot of *s in his post to try and prove his point. As for the others, well done on the debate. I will have to concede and count this as a loss for the judges are the same ones I am opposing
We've already dispensed with your argument of "I want extra training for free." You're now bringing up paranoid claims that CCP "changed" the rules to only allow one character to train per account to "boost overall stats." This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3909
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Posted - 2013.01.10 07:43:00 -
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First of all, since this debate appears to be bordering on rule breaking, could I ask that people please take a step back and cool off before this descends in to personal attacks. Secondly, having done a little research on this particular matter, CCP has never allowed training on more than one character on a single account at the same time. There were apparently some bugs many years ago whereby people were able to do so, but obviously they were bugs and were fixed.
Also along those lines was the old ghost training, whereby players were able to effectively train skills for no cost at all, something that was also removed and replaced with the skill queue system we have now. Although EVE's skill training system is very different from almost every other MMO on the market, as far as I am aware, no other game allows you to simultaneously train two characters at once on the the same account and so this method can rightfully be called an "Industry Standard" - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3152
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Posted - 2013.01.10 07:51:00 -
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I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Lexmana
880
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Posted - 2013.01.10 11:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It would reduce revenue for CCP unless they also had a fee for activating training on a second character and then again for deactivating it similar to now where you have to transfer your character to another account and then transfer it back again. Or, perhaps, they could charge twice the cost for training a second character (and thrice for the third) in addition to the normal monthly account subscription. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6902
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Posted - 2013.01.10 11:12:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It would reduce revenu for CCP unless they also had a fee for activating training on a second character and then again for deactivating it similar to now where you have to transfer your character to another account and then transfer it back again. Or, perhaps, they could just charge twice the cost for training a second character (and thrice for the third).
Hypothetically, it might also increase revenue, since at the moment it's really expensive to produce a 1-3 month skilled alt, and therefore relatively few people do because they're deterred by that +2 PLEX overhead. I think a lot of people would jump at the chance to pay 1-2 PLEX for 30-60 days alt training, even if it was something that you could only do once per character.
I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer earlier in my EVE career; I don't really need it now, but it would have been really useful in 2007. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Lexmana
880
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Posted - 2013.01.10 11:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lexmana wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It would reduce revenu for CCP unless they also had a fee for activating training on a second character and then again for deactivating it similar to now where you have to transfer your character to another account and then transfer it back again. Or, perhaps, they could just charge twice the cost for training a second character (and thrice for the third). Hypothetically, it might also increase revenue, since at the moment it's really expensive to produce a 1-3 month skilled alt, and therefore relatively few people do because they're deterred by that +2 PLEX overhead. I think a lot of people would jump at the chance to pay 1-2 PLEX for 30-60 days alt training, even if it was something that you could only do once per character. I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer earlier in my EVE career; I don't really need it now, but it would have been really useful in 2007. It might increase revenue ... but I don't think so. The reason is that when you have finished training your alt you only need to pay one monthly fee to play both characters. But if you started a new account you will more often continue to pay for two (and continue to train your alt or a second character on that account ofc).
Overall I think CCP would lose revenue, at least it would be a gamble. A better idea would be to make it expensive - then players who really wants to train two characters on the same account can but have to pay extra for the convenience.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13452
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Posted - 2013.01.10 11:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lexmana wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It would reduce revenu for CCP unless they also had a fee for activating training on a second character and then again for deactivating it similar to now where you have to transfer your character to another account and then transfer it back again. Or, perhaps, they could just charge twice the cost for training a second character (and thrice for the third). Hypothetically, it might also increase revenue, since at the moment it's really expensive to produce a 1-3 month skilled alt, and therefore relatively few people do because they're deterred by that +2 PLEX overhead. I think a lot of people would jump at the chance to pay 1-2 PLEX for 30-60 days alt training, even if it was something that you could only do once per character. I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer earlier in my EVE career; I don't really need it now, but it would have been really useful in 2007. I would have used it too.
But I think this is more about the reduction in subscription numbers, it could bring. I guess a reduction in those figures, wouldn't look good for CCP.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Janis Ezra
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.01.10 13:57:00 -
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CCP would lose 50% of their accounts if multiple training would be possible.
EOT |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
436
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:20:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Malcanis wrote:Lexmana wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It would reduce revenu for CCP unless they also had a fee for activating training on a second character and then again for deactivating it similar to now where you have to transfer your character to another account and then transfer it back again. Or, perhaps, they could just charge twice the cost for training a second character (and thrice for the third). Hypothetically, it might also increase revenue, since at the moment it's really expensive to produce a 1-3 month skilled alt, and therefore relatively few people do because they're deterred by that +2 PLEX overhead. I think a lot of people would jump at the chance to pay 1-2 PLEX for 30-60 days alt training, even if it was something that you could only do once per character. I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer earlier in my EVE career; I don't really need it now, but it would have been really useful in 2007. It might increase revenue ... but I don't think so. The reason is that when you have finished training your alt you only need to pay one monthly fee to play both characters. But if you started a new account you will more often continue to pay for two (and continue to train your alt or a second character on that account ofc). Overall I think CCP would lose revenue, at least it would be a gamble. A better idea would be to make it expensive - then players who really wants to train two characters on the same account can but have to pay extra for the convenience. That's one monthly fee to play *either* character, one at a time.
Having 2 accounts gives benefits other than training, and subscriptions are cheaper than PLEX, so if it is PLEX-only there is a built-in additional margin for CCP. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6903
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:24:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote: Having 2 accounts gives benefits other than training, and subscriptions are cheaper than PLEX, so if it is PLEX-only there is a built-in additional margin for CCP.
Well said. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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Rawk Chick
Temporal Mechanics
1
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:26:00 -
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SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? You're kidding right?
It was like that way back and removed. Wanna train, you gotta get another account... |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
436
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:29:00 -
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Addressing the lost revenue argument: Create training account off referrer (3 weeks+1 month on main account when subscribed) Train character. Sell character or transfer character to main account, transfer fee offset by free month on main account.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Using PLEX to activate an additional training slot means no free training time, and it's more convenient for the players. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12584
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Posted - 2013.01.10 14:41:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Actually yeah, take a look at all the patches and expansions. When was training of additional characters on the same account at the same time changed? When was the Power of 2 first implemented? When was the plexing service first started? You need to take a look at the games entire history and the stock market history for the company. Also take a look at the market ticker for CCP. Oh wait, you can't because its all private stock. So that's a GÇ£noGÇ¥ then.
Quote:The evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence. Of course not. If there is evidence there is no absence of evidence. That was a silly truism. Did you mean to say GÇ£the absence of evidence is not evidence of absenceGÇ¥? If so, then sure, but it's still up to you to produce said evidence or your claim is completely baseless.
Quote:I never claimed that it was changed. No-one is saying that you did. What you claimed without any evidence to support it is that CCP is pushing multiple accounts to cover up poor player retention.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't really see why paying an additional subscription fee or PLEX per month for each additional character that's training on a single account would be a bad idea. It accomplishes the exact same thing as having two separate accounts training at the same time. It's only a bad idea in the sense that alts are a bad idea: ideally, people would clique together to solve the issues that we now use alts to fix. The actual bad idea is that it should come at a significant discount (presumably based on the logic that you can only play one at a time). Dilution of the character pool and disconnecting yourself from other players should come at the same cost regardless of how you do it.
Basically, to make it work without breaking things, it would have to come with such restrictions and costs that you might as well get a second account and get the whole GÇ£play a second characterGÇ¥ bit thrown in for free, at which point you have to wonder what the point of adding parallel training would be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6909
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:04:00 -
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Rawk Chick wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? You're kidding right? It was like that way back and removed. Wanna train, you gotta get another account... Besides I find it hard to believe you haven't figured it out for youself. It's about money to CCP...
When were we able to train 2 characters on one account? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Kenneth O'Hara
10752
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:04:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:First of all, since this debate appears to be bordering on rule breaking, could I ask that people please take a step back and cool off before this descends in to personal attacks. Secondly, having done a little research on this particular matter, CCP has never allowed training on more than one character on a single account at the same time. There were apparently some bugs many years ago whereby people were able to do so, but obviously they were bugs and were fixed.
Also along those lines was the old ghost training, whereby players were able to effectively train skills for no cost at all, something that was also removed and replaced with the skill queue system we have now. Although EVE's skill training system is very different from almost every other MMO on the market, as far as I am aware, no other game allows you to simultaneously train two characters at once on the the same account and so this method can rightfully be called an "Industry Standard" - ISD Type40. Thank you for clarifying a few things here. I would also like to point out that no other game allowed you to train skills or level up while you were logged out. That was an "industry standard" and generally excepted to be the norm. EVE Online is proof that the standard can change.
@RubyPorto Here is the post of someone else making the claim and then kindly read ISD TYPE40's post. I was incorrect in thinking that CCP allowed it but it was a bug and was fixed.
@Tippia I went and found the online version of the EULA.
Now there are 3 main paragraphs here that shows what I am paying for when I purchase a subscription.
"Thank you for your interest in EVE, interactive online game ("EVE" or the "Game"). EVE is offered by CCP hf. ("CCP"), a company based in Reykjavik, Iceland dedicated to the creation of next generation games. EVE is a multiplayer role playing game that allows the simultaneous participation of players around the world, interacting in the same game environment. You may play EVE using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software"). Using the Software allows you to log into CCPGÇÖs client system (the GÇ£SystemGÇ¥) and interact within the game environment created by CCP. To play EVE, CCP requires that you review and agree to the following terms and conditions of this End User License Agreement (GÇ£EULAGÇ¥).
This EULA describes the terms and conditions under which you may (i) use the Software; (ii) subscribe to, access and use EVE Online, and (iii) access the System CCP may amend this EULA from time to time by posting an amended version at http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp. If you accept this EULA, the then-current version of this EULA shall apply each time you access the System or play EVE."
And the 3rd paragraph under section 9, article B.
"Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System, and to access and use the Game Content and User Content (each as defined below), in order to play EVE online. You may download (and, to the extent permitted by the System, make a single copy for your own purposes in playing the Game) and exchange Game Content and User Content exclusively via a valid Account, solely to play the Game, for purposes permitted by, and in a manner consistent with, the EULA."
Based on this, I am entitled to access the game when I purchase a sub for a valid account. Not train one character as everyone implies. As a matter of fact, there is nothing in the EULA about character training. Why is that? Simple really, the EULA is a contract between a company and the user to outline the use and restrictions of the license for a particular software.
CCP does retain the right to change the EULA at any given time. If they feel they need to include this so there is no further confusion they I think they should. I would recommend a section explaining what is included with an account and how many characters are allowed to train at a time for legality purposes. I know everyone here is screaming "you're an idiot for even stating all of this and it doesn't need to be done". That's fine, but at least we can get this settled for once and for all and have a legal documentation you can site right off the bat without injecting personal opinions.
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6909
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Basically, to make it work without breaking things, it would have to come with such restrictions and costs that you might as well get a second account and get the whole GÇ£play a second characterGÇ¥ bit thrown in for free, at which point you have to wonder what the point of adding parallel training would be.
I'm not sure that's true. Put in a limit of, say, 90 days total allowable dual training, purchasable for 1 PLEX per 30 day increment, and that would suffice to make a useful secondary alt without all the messing about with extra accounts, and without enabling any conceivable abuse.
The per-skillpoint expense is pretty much the same as buddy-accounting your alt account with a 3-month subscription, getting 51 days free and then using 2 PLEX (or paying $20) to transfer the character.
Honestly, I'm not seeing a problem with allowing people to do this. The only real loss to CCP would be a small reduction in the amount of subscriptions that they were able to claim. The money side works out about the same.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12586
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:16:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Thank you for clarifying a few things here. I would also like to point out that no other game allowed you to train skills or level up while you were logged out. That was an "industry standard" and generally excepted to be the norm. EVE Online is proof that the standard can change. GǪbut why would it since what you're asking for is to give away their main money-maker for free?
Quote:Based on this, I am entitled to access the game when I purchase a sub for a valid account. Not train one character as everyone implies. GǪand as mentioned numerous times now, your sub includes the ability to train one character, as dictated by the functionality of the game. Same as everywhere else. I'm quite frankly surprised that anyone is surprised by this.
Quote:I would recommend a section explaining what is included with an account and how many characters are allowed to train at a time for legality purposes. There already is. -º11: GÇ£The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. GÇ¥
AS IS means you accept the functionality offered by the game GÇö viz. training one character per account. Hell, you accept that you might not even be able to train one character due to the server being down when you try. When you started your trial account, you found out this functionality. When you then upgraded to a paying account, you accepted that this is what you pay for.
Malcanis wrote:I'm not sure that's true. Put in a limit of, say, 90 days total allowable dual training, purchasable for 1 PLEX per 30 day increment, and that would suffice to make a useful secondary alt without all the messing about with extra accounts, and without enabling any conceivable abuse.
The per-skillpoint expense is pretty much the same as buddy-accounting your alt account with a 3-month subscription, getting 51 days free and then using 2 PLEX (or paying $20) to transfer the character. Yes, but that's kind of my point: it would work out the same in terms of costs, rather than be what people who propose this often ask for, i.e. that it would be free or heavily discounted. Hence the question: is the gain in convenience worth the effort of implementing such a system when you can already do the same thing for the same cost using the existing mechanics? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6912
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm not sure that's true. Put in a limit of, say, 90 days total allowable dual training, purchasable for 1 PLEX per 30 day increment, and that would suffice to make a useful secondary alt without all the messing about with extra accounts, and without enabling any conceivable abuse.
The per-skillpoint expense is pretty much the same as buddy-accounting your alt account with a 3-month subscription, getting 51 days free and then using 2 PLEX (or paying $20) to transfer the character. Yes, but that's kind of my point: it would work out the same in terms of costs, rather than be what people who propose this often ask for, i.e. that it would be free or heavily discounted. Hence the question: is the gain in convenience worth the effort of implementing such a system when you can already do the same thing for the same cost using the existing mechanics?
The advantage is better granularity - if I just want to dual-train train an alt for 30 days, then the cost and admin overhead of using a 2nd account to do so is very high. It's really only cost effective to do it for at least 140-day training plans, which is rather more than one needs for a simple hauler alt.
The business advantage is that there is customer demand for it, and improving product differentiation and diversity in response to demand is a proven method of increasing revenue. Instead of committing to creating a second account and spending money plus the transfer fee or at least 2 PLEX, you can just buy a plex, redeem it and start your alt skilling right away. Basically it enables "impulse purchase" alt skilling. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Kenneth O'Hara
10752
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Thank you for clarifying a few things here. I would also like to point out that no other game allowed you to train skills or level up while you were logged out. That was an "industry standard" and generally excepted to be the norm. EVE Online is proof that the standard can change. GǪbut why would it since what you're asking for is to give away their main money-maker for free? Quote:Based on this, I am entitled to access the game when I purchase a sub for a valid account. Not train one character as everyone implies. GǪand as mentioned numerous times now, your sub includes the ability to train one character, as dictated by the functionality of the game. Same as everywhere else. I'm quite frankly surprised that anyone is surprised by this. Quote:I would recommend a section explaining what is included with an account and how many characters are allowed to train at a time for legality purposes. There already is. -º11: GÇ£The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. GÇ¥ AS IS means you accept the functionality offered by the game GÇö viz. training one character per account. Hell, you accept that you might not even be able to train one character due to the server being down when you try. When you started your trial account, you found out this functionality. When you then upgraded to a paying account, you accepted that this is what you pay for. Correct... on most of it. I honestly don't care about CCP making money. Wat?? Oh no he didn't!!!! What I do care about is the actual number of players who play and not subscribed accounts that makes CCP look good. By giving away the extra character slots to train for free on the same account, it causes people to consider dropping their alt accounts because it looks better and no real need to have the alt account. Now CCP will loose revenue and profits if they don't go out and actual get new players to make up for the losses. They should advertise more or whatever and actively try to get new players instead of throwing deals out to the same old players. This game has been around since 2003 right? How come I never heard of it until 2009? I found it doing a search for space MMORPG. Tried a trial and said this is the most boring thing I have ever played in my life. I didn't even hear about it again until last August from a friend. Hell, I even forgotten it existed. In fact, I have never seen a commercial outside of links to youtube from EVE websites. I'm sure I can find more now because I'm actively looking for them. I can understand that you don't want "stupid" people in the game but the learning curve will take care of them. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6915
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:43:00 -
[140] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Correct... on most of it. I honestly don't care about CCP making money. Wat?? Oh no he didn't!!!!
What I do care about is the actual number of players who play and not subscribed accounts that makes CCP look good. By giving away the extra character slots to train for free on the same account, it causes people to consider dropping their alt accounts because it looks better and no real need to have the alt account.
Now CCP will loose revenue and profits if they don't go out and actual get new players to make up for the losses. They should advertise more or whatever and actively try to get new players instead of throwing deals out to the same old players.
This game has been around since 2003 right? How come I never heard of it until 2009? I found it doing a search for space MMORPG. Tried a trial and said this is the most boring thing I have ever played in my life. I didn't even hear about it again until last August from a friend. Hell, I even forgotten it existed. In fact, I have never seen a commercial outside of links to youtube from EVE websites. I'm sure I can find more now because I'm actively looking for them. I can understand that you don't want "stupid" people in the game but the learning curve will take care of them.
Paragraphed that for you.
You're neglecting the very substantial advantage to be gained from having 2 characters on 2 accounts, rather than 2 on the same account. I don't think the number of alt accounts would shrink by as much as you're assuming.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12586
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:47:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I honestly don't care about CCP making money. GǪand that is why your idea is stillborn.
Trying to justify its necessity and denounce any objections to it by appeal to tinfoil doesn't improve things.
Quote:This game has been around since 2003 right? How come I never heard of it until 2009? You weren't paying attention.
Malcanis wrote:The advantage is better granularity - if I just want to dual-train train an alt for 30 days, then the cost and admin overhead of using a 2nd account to do so is very high. It's really only cost effective to do it for at least 140-day training plans, which is rather more than one needs for a simple hauler alt.
The business advantage is that there is customer demand for it, and improving product differentiation and diversity in response to demand is a proven method of increasing revenue. Instead of committing to creating a second account and spending money plus the transfer fee or at least 2 PLEX, you can just buy a plex, redeem it and start your alt skilling right away. Basically it enables "impulse purchase" alt skilling. Fair enough. I'd still argue that it's not particularly good for the game to provide such impulse purchases. If it holds people back from getting those alts, then all the better. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
436
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:47:00 -
[142] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm not sure that's true. Put in a limit of, say, 90 days total allowable dual training, purchasable for 1 PLEX per 30 day increment, and that would suffice to make a useful secondary alt without all the messing about with extra accounts, and without enabling any conceivable abuse.
The per-skillpoint expense is pretty much the same as buddy-accounting your alt account with a 3-month subscription, getting 51 days free and then using 2 PLEX (or paying $20) to transfer the character. Yes, but that's kind of my point: it would work out the same in terms of costs, rather than be what people who propose this often ask for, i.e. that it would be free or heavily discounted. Hence the question: is the gain in convenience worth the effort of implementing such a system when you can already do the same thing for the same cost using the existing mechanics? I disagree with putting a time limit on it, simply because that would be CCP saying "OK, you've paid us as much as we want to take".
As far as "why make the effort?"
I would refer you again to the Amazon "one-click sale" patent and the millions of dollars spent over that.
If you make something people want convenient they will buy more of it. If you make it convenient and some portion of the people interested in it think of it as "Free!" because they ignore the costs of the payment method, they will buy lots more of it.
Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Kenneth O'Hara
10752
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I honestly don't care about CCP making money. GǪand that is why your idea is stillborn. Trying to justify its necessity and denounce any objections to it by appeal to tinfoil doesn't improve things. So if I find a way to get people to pay for the additional training on the same account it will justify it? BTW, referencing my opinion as "tinfoil" is insulting. I will not deny that it is lacking facts which makes it an opinion.
Quote:Quote:This game has been around since 2003 right? How come I never heard of it until 2009? You weren't paying attention. And to make such claims. I even discovered Vendetta Online back in 2007 before I discovered EVE Online. I apologize for referencing a game other than EVE here.
Buzzy Warstl wrote:Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button. This... I will gladly pay for this. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Ogopogo Mu
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
102
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:24:00 -
[144] - Quote
SassyLassy wrote:im trying to get all me charecters to have everything maxed lol. i wanna be that gal who can fly all 4 races of titan perfectly :)
This is a reasonable goal. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12586
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:32:00 -
[145] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:So if I find a way to get people to pay for the additional training on the same account it will justify it? If you do that, we get to what we essentially already have. See the conversation above regarding the pros and cons of making it a convenience service.
Quote:BTW, referencing my opinion as "tinfoil" is insulting. I will not deny that it is lacking facts which makes it an opinion. No, that's what makes it tinfoil. You're making pretty harsh claims based on what seems like pure malice and paranoia. It is not an opinion because there is nothing subjective about what you're discussing, and you're presenting it as factual assertions.
Quote:And to make such claims. Don't ask people to make guesses about you if you don't want to hear the answers that might come up.
Quote:This... I will gladly pay for this. Sure. If you want to pay more to receive less, then that's fine too. The point remains: what you're asking for basically already exists and getting it for free is pretty much out of the question for a number of reasons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Kenneth O'Hara
10752
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:07:00 -
[146] - Quote
Tippia wrote:No, that's what makes it tinfoil. You're making pretty harsh claims based on what seems like pure malice and paranoia. It is not an opinion because there is nothing subjective about what you're discussing, and you're presenting it as factual assertions. They are pretty harsh claims but they are not based on malice or paranoia. It's just a personal observation based on historical dev blogs, patch notes and other various documentation for changes to the game. CCP claims "400,000" active accounts but they won't release the statistics detailing what the number actually consists of such as alts, people that log in once a year, 6 months, 3 months, once a week, etc. It just throws up a red flag when a company boast such claims but don't release the actual data to back it up. I'm not asking for account information, just the percentages and the numbers. It was wrong of me to present my conspiracy theories in a factual manor without having the actual facts.
Quote:Don't ask people to make guesses about you if you don't want to hear the answers that might come up. I never asked for you to make guesses about me.
Quote:Sure. If you want to pay more to receive less, then that's fine too. The point remains: what you're asking for basically already exists and getting it for free is pretty much out of the question for a number of reasons. In the business world, it's all about the bottom dollar. Gotcha. That makes me wrong. I apologize for wasting your time. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
709
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:35:00 -
[147] - Quote
Dosan Vendetta wrote:Work for it.
You know you can train to be a titan pilot without ever undocking, right?
Effort doesnt come into it so far as the actual training goes. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:01:00 -
[148] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. Again, it's how everyone does it. So what? Quote:CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play. GǪand you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose?
well FWIW... I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player.
I stayed
no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition/assumption/data (IMHO) is utter fail.
I stayed
I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason. if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something...
idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is.
Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason.
o/ Celly Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Rain6639
Team Evil
79
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:03:00 -
[149] - Quote
Celly Smunt wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. Again, it's how everyone does it. So what? Quote:CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play. GǪand you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose? well FWIW... I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player. I stayed no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition (IMHO) is utter fail. I stayed I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason. if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something... idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is. Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason. o/ Celly
Celly! I came in just to see what you had to say about multiple training on one account...
not only did I stay, i started two more accounts soon after I started playing
such a good decision. well, I think. TQ mass login record breaker attempt..sat and sun, from dt to dt+2h? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192504 |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:08:00 -
[150] - Quote
Rain6639 wrote:
Celly! I came in just to see what you had to say about multiple training on one account...
not only did I stay, i started two more accounts soon after I started playing
such a good decision. well, I think.
o/ Rain... :)
Thank you
as long as a player is being challenged and/or is having fun doing something (no matter what it is) then the decision is likely a good one. I don't regret it a bit and like you, sometimes I don't undock either.
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
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Kenneth O'Hara
10771
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:13:00 -
[151] - Quote
Celly Smunt wrote:Tippia wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Right, so again we come back to money. Which is why CCP changed it in the first place. Again, it's how everyone does it. So what? Quote:CCP can't get new players that stick around so they force their current player base to buy multiple accounts to boost overall stats for total accounts instead of actual players that play. GǪand you have something to back up this piece of tinfoilhattery I suppose? well FWIW... I started here when you could only train one character at a time and at that time I was a new player. I stayed no one forced me to have the 7 accounts I currently have, so dude's supposition/assumption/data (IMHO) is utter fail. I stayed I stayed because I like the challenges of the game, I expanded for the same reason. if i wanted to be babysat 24/7 in game I'd go play WoW or something... idk, maybe not the "best" example, but there it is. Oh and also, so did my Son and many of my friends for the same reason. o/ Celly It's a good example. I followed a similar story when I first started and I stayed for the same reasons. I don't have 7 accounts but I do have 2 accounts now thanks to the power of 2. I just feel cheated and dirty for buying a 2nd account. It's kind of like eating a lot of fast food when you're on a diet. All the marketing is there in your face to buy the juicy burger but technically nobody twisted my arm to buy the burger even though I didn't need it. I caved in and bought it anyways despite my plans and my diet. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:02:00 -
[152] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote: technically nobody twisted my arm to buy the burger even though I didn't need it. I caved in and bought it anyways despite my plans and my diet.
Thanks...
So you're human :)
Nothing wrong with that as far as i know.
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1595
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:21:00 -
[153] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? it would be nice if the pub gave me 2 free refills every time I bought a pint of beer Why hasn't this been added in yes, The Rose & Crown?
Edmonton? I would not have expected that. Passed by there a few times myself, but never went in. ofc, you might be referring to another Rose and Crown Pub. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6943
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:44:00 -
[154] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Malcanis wrote:SassyLassy wrote:it would be nice if you could train more then 1 charecter at a time. training 2 chars on 1 account be awesome especially if it could be done at same time.
Why isnt this been added in yet CCP ? it would be nice if the pub gave me 2 free refills every time I bought a pint of beer Why hasn't this been added in yes, The Rose & Crown? Edmonton? I would not have expected that. Passed by there a few times myself, but never went in. ofc, you might be referring to another Rose and Crown Pub.
It's a pretty common pub name. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Aaden Dante
Circle Four
10
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:03:00 -
[155] - Quote
Christy D Floyd wrote: CCP already nerfs their income by providing PLEX. Get rid of plex and see all the players who have alt accounts either sub them up or cancel (Most will just transfer those toons to their main account and cancel those plexed accounts.)
Logical disconnect. PLEX is paid for with RL cash. That it is then bought and used up with ISK is irrelevant to those who are the sole suppliers of PLEX.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3200
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:13:00 -
[156] - Quote
Buzzy Warstl wrote:Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button. You know, I'd love a button that says "pause skill training on this account."
It's a pain in the ass to go to train a skill, realize you're still training on another character on the same account, then having to log out, log in the other character just to pause the skill training, then log out and log back into the first character to start the training queue. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:30:00 -
[157] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Put a button in the skill queue that says "activate skill queue for 30 days (cost 1 PLEX)" when another character is training on that account. People will push the button. You know, I'd love a button that says "pause skill training on this account." It's a pain in the ass to go to train a skill, realize you're still training on another character on the same account, then having to log out, log in the other character just to pause the skill training, then log out and log back into the first character to start the training queue.
It wouldn't be so bad if they had a Log out to character screen. But evidently that's too complicated for CCP to do after a ******* decade.
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
713
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Posted - 2013.01.11 12:47:00 -
[158] - Quote
Never happens becuse this give bad impact on character bazar and low incomes from this service, cheap tengu pilots everywhere. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
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