Examples of split weapon ships are the Typhoon and Naglfar, both of which are designs that I consider obsolete and worth changing when we get to them.

Attacking the resistance buff won't cause people to start putting reps on ships with no defense bonus at all. They'll still go for buffer. People rarely even put reppers on the ships that have an active rep bonus, only doing so in special select circumstances.

Not positive if this has been mentioned before, but all of the BCs having the same cap recharge rate, regardless of whether or not they need it doesn't seem right. This blurs the lines between the races even more than they already are. Making all of the races the same but with different colored attacks, are we? I guess that's one way to "balance" things...

By that logic, speed, mass, and agility should be normalized as well... Using the excuse of "tiericide" to side tracking the discussion of over normalization is not a great argument.

This is already in the game. They called it "ancillary shield booster."

Hi everyone! Welcome to our first ship balance thread of 2013! Today we've got a set of battlecruisers for you, the former Tier 1 and Tier 2 BCs, re-branded Combat Battlecruisers.

Why the new expectation for minmatar pilots its to train 3-4 weapon systems in order to be able to effectively fly their ships (a/c, arty, missiles and now drones with cyclone really needing that drone bandwith to do damage) as a player with a somewhat low amount of skill points it kills me to try to figure out when i am going to be able to train missiles and drones up properly especially since i don't think ill be feeling any desire to fly my Hurricane anymore after its second nerf in a matter of months. Leaving me with ONLY a missile/drone boat.

While some caldari try to pretend hybrids don't exsist as much as do minnies now with missiles, as a slight difference a few minnie ships are armor-tankable which the caldari don't have to deal with.
Not that you wouldn't want to train mechanism and hull upgrades for DC and more EHP anyways, so the added burden is the armor compensation and rig skills.

Drake:
Change Kinetic Missile damage bonus from 5 to 10% per level

It's almost as if CCP is trying to persuade new players to fly something other than a bearing Drake. Fancy that.

Hi,

This is my first month playing Eve Online.
Eve is a great game but it's very punishing for new players.

I loved the drake the most of the current ships and I made a plan to start training towards the drake and it's core skills.
Now I have read about the drake and I saw it got nerfed a few times in the past.

So I just read the patch notes and I feel incredibly ripped off...
My whole first month in this game goes towards just getting into the drake and now it gets this epic nerf.

My whole first month feels wasted...

I mean why "fix" something that's not broken in the first place?

Regards: Hefty

Yeah, because ships with tank of BC, speed of cruiser and range and dps of BS for 150 mil are obviously not overpowered and well balanced for price/effectivity

An example:
Assume that there is a cruiser chasing a "well-balanced BC". The cruisers MWD speed is around 2 km/s. The T3 battlecruiser's is 2km/s. So the BC can just burn away from the cruiser and force angular speed to zero which basicly means that T3 BC's are not vulnerable to an insanely large number of ships which they are actually SHOULD be vulnerable to.

To clarify my position: I state that T3 BC are able and killing cruisers. I state that they should not. Just as the Stealth Bombers that also wear BS-sized guns.

Racial bonuses are called Racial bonuses for a reason :)

1. New players will be at even harder disadvantage using Drake. It requires BC II to operate which will give +20% to kinetic damage. Difference between +20% and +50% is too huge to ignore, hence flying Drake will require BC 5.
2. Kinetic damage will be 1.5x times higher than other damage types. I think this is dangerously close to Stealth Bomber territory where you are forced to use 1 single damage type under any circumstances. Drake will loose last remains of flexibility.
3. Caldari will become the only race without battlecruiser that can change damage type for PvE.

The point isn't to remove all the interesting drawbacks, it is to make sure that the potential benefits are good enough to keep everything as competitive as possible.

That weapon balancing goal is of course not something we have reached yet, but we are working towards it and rolling the cap use bonus into the weapon isn't the way to get there.

Without ACs minmatar would only be fast.

Things like sensor strength, lock range, cap, defence, dronebay, etc are generally weaker on minmatar ships compared to others.

Aligity and speed are basically the same idea.

The fitting is great because of the low fitting requirements of the weapons system.

T2-resists are nice, but arties and the sabre don't provide enough advantages to say minmatar have many advantages.

Most of their power is due to ACs.

You forgot a few things...
Lowest optimal
Low (lowest?) dps on paper
Fights in falloff, even lower dps despite the good projection
This may not be accurate, but you are only taking into account the weapon systems.

And now you can resort to other things, ships that simply work because of the slot layout, ship bonuses, ship stats, module combinations, whatever, and I agree, because taking into account weapon systems without their ships it's idiotic.
So tell me, which Minmatar ship after the balancing pass is causing you trouble?

Edited to rephrase the question
Which Minmatar ship after the balancing pass you think it's better than other races ships, in their respective class?

Projectiles don't have the highest paper dps, that belongs to Lasers or Blasters.

For those people expressing concern about the viability of the Drake and Hurricane I recommend giving them a try on our Singularity test server. I think you will find that they both hold up very well and remain quite competitive. The Drake in particular is not a ship I am particularly concerned will be too weak with these stats. I fully expect it to remain the most popular BC by a large margin and if anything it is probably a little too powerful with this version.

The overlap of having two Gallente ships with the same armor rep bonus is the biggest issue we'll be watching, and if it becomes apparent that the whole or any part of the Gallente BC lineup is not working out as well as we had hoped I have time scheduled in our ship rebalance plan to make adjustments as needed.

And what's that stuff about Caldari battleships being bad for PVE? I read this sentence thrice now but I am still not sure if you are serious.