How did you get to the conclusion that making the required ship mega cheap and disposable will limit the stress on the server? Won't 4 times as many people be doing it? Does a battleship not take up the same server power as a destroyer? How about 10 destroyers?



EDIT : oh u mean defence fleets?

I was actually thinking of the extra code required to implement more ammo types, not so much the server load - I've been drinking. More code just to make the beta more like the final? Probably not necessary. A beta is like a "demo" - it's not the full version.

Now the scales are smaller and destroyers fit just well. When dust goes to null there will be larger battlefields and there will be a need for larger guns too.

And also DUST guys that are starting EVE account to support their Dust corps will have easier time to do it with destroyers. Imagine having to skill 1 year to be able to sit properly in a dread to so they can shoot on planets.

Orbital Strikes should go off from Dreads in Siege. Everything else is just so stupid. How could anyone care if a destroyer warps through lowsec bombing planets. There should actually be a risk involved in getting a big advantage (what a OB should be).

Orbital Strikes that annihilate a decent radius on the planet from Dreads in siege, that would be badass.

Im a little afraid that more bad things will happen to my beloved eve to make things easier for Dust players. Can't they just HTFU like we always have to :D

It may be worth remembering just how big and powerful the shells are that we use in EVE when compared to standard ground based weaponry. Gallente destroyers with rails will usually fire 125mm shells, slightly smaller than the 130mm shells fired by modern naval destroyers.

We know how much damage that kind of real life shell can cause, now imagine those shells being filled with anti-matter! And now imagine a shell half a metre across made of the same stuff travelling a good percentage the speed of light, the kind fired from a 425mm battleship railgun. The kinetic damage alone would vaporise a large portion of the area. Add in the anti--matter and you wouldn't just kill a few DUST soldiers, you would vaporise a few square kilometres.

I assume they'll probably add larger tactical ammo types in the future which will hit a lot harder than the small. The small stuff probably doesn't hit all that hard. I hope the large ammo is actually sort of weak, and that to pack a REAL punch, you need XL.

In before someone says "Gravity"

So orbital strikes are just weak cause if they are actually turning the tides of a battle then a destroyer would just be stupid.

I mean, its a freaking ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT from a SPACECRAFT with HUGE WEAPONS and its gonna be like "oh damn that orbital bomberdment took me 10% of my HP" or what?

It may be worth remembering just how big and powerful the shells are that we use in EVE when compared to standard ground based weaponry. Gallente destroyers with rails will usually fire 125mm shells, slightly smaller than the 130mm shells fired by modern naval destroyers.

We know how much damage that kind of real life shell can cause, now imagine those shells being filled with anti-matter! And now imagine a shell half a metre across made of the same stuff travelling a good percentage the speed of light, the kind fired from a 425mm battleship railgun. The kinetic damage alone would vaporise a large portion of the area. Add in the anti--matter and you wouldn't just kill a few DUST soldiers, you would vaporise a few square kilometres.

EVE has no gravity. It doesn't even have inertia. If you shoot something that's out of falloff range your shell just vanishes, rather than continuing at its current velocity until it hits something.

It may be worth remembering just how big and powerful the shells are that we use in EVE when compared to standard ground based weaponry. Gallente destroyers with rails will usually fire 125mm shells, slightly smaller than the 130mm shells fired by modern naval destroyers.

We know how much damage that kind of real life shell can cause, now imagine those shells being filled with anti-matter! And now imagine a shell half a metre across made of the same stuff travelling a good percentage the speed of light, the kind fired from a 425mm battleship railgun. The kinetic damage alone would vaporise a large portion of the area. Add in the anti--matter and you wouldn't just kill a few DUST soldiers, you would vaporise a few square kilometres.

Orbital Strikes should go off from Dreads in Siege. Everything else is just so stupid

The shell yould just vaporise in the atmosphere (maybe with a big bang) but nothing more. The sheer amount of energy the shell would have to travel with a 'good percentage the speed of light' would tear the fabric of given shell apart ... as for antimatter ... the shell it self would implede the moment the antimatter is inserted !

If eve followed real physics those shells would go for 1000km (well actually much much much much much further) in space but they don't. I wast saying real 125mm shells couldnt do it, i'm saying the ones in eve shouldnt be able to. Because in eve space the same size shells go to around 20-30km, unless they are shooting something on the ground, then magically they have a 1000km optimal.. Wheres my atron with a 1000km optimal please?

I get the size difference of spaceships compared to men. It still makes no sense when placed into EvE.

I'm not saying the games to hard or easy or that i want it harder or easier. I'm saying that having such a massive performance boost on a small gun just because its facing down is a MASSIVE imersion breaker that doesn't "fit" with the rest of the game at all.

As far as orbital bombartment goes .. anyone remember 'Babylon 5' ? I think it was third or forth season .. they flung asteroids on planets ... maybe this would be some new reason to fit tractor beams on capitals ? :) .. And for planetary defense to have enough miners at hand to remove belts before the enemy arives

You may want to read up on EVE's lore. The 425mm shells fired by Gallente Hybrid weapons do contain anti-matter (most likely suspended as it is in real life in a magnetic bottle) and are fired at a considerable percentage of the speed of light. It may also be worth noting that the ammunition available to use for orbital strikes is not the same as standard ammunition, it has been created specifically for this task.

I can't see any reason to risk 200-2000 millions worth battleship for a planet which can bring 50mil/month of "income" - or for ridiculous 12x12 surface battle with 5mil payout (5mil = my guess about Dust payouts).

About size. EVE destroyers are comparable to modern naval carriers and WW2 battleships. I.e. they are huge.