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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:20:00 -
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 Originally by: DrunkenOne
And a crow is still the most common inty and does pwn damage to a wolf at long range, for example.
Maybe in specific setups an inty would win, but I have a hard time seeing how a Crow would win against, say, an Enyo unless the Crow was specifically set up for some weird anti-Enyo setup.
If they orbit at 15-20 km they get torn to shreds by railguns. If they close to web range they get webbed and torn to shreds. With t2 rails, it doesn't take many volleys to equal one dead Crow. All this time, the Enyo's defenders will have cut down the missile spam to tankable levels. Sure, they could orbit far ourside railgun range - but in that case the Enyo pilot has time to go get a cup of coffee and still warp away 
...but as everything in Eve, there's always an exception and specialized setups can always kill specific targets. In the general case, I'd lay my money on the AF in an inty vs. AF fight.
I've yet to find a really working Ishkur setup, though.
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
God I want to post my video... stop me meri.
Post it! The hype is killing me! 
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bazman on 21/06/2005 15:21:36
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Bazman
Assault Frigs are generally quite good, but they really need to have their mass unnerfed so that they can hit maybe 1800m/s to 2000m/s with MWD's. They are just too slow to be truely effective, all you'll ever catch with them solo are cruisers or maybe other AF's
Mass should have nothing to do with top speed
The mass affects both your agility and AB/MWD's top speed. For example, chuck an AB II on a harpy with a base speed of 300m/s, switch it on and you'll go about 590 to 600m/s, not the 700 odd m/s the 150 odd % the module information would have you believe
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 21/06/2005 15:25:25
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: DrunkenOne
And a crow is still the most common inty and does pwn damage to a wolf at long range, for example.
Maybe in specific setups an inty would win, but I have a hard time seeing how a Crow would win against, say, an Enyo unless the Crow was specifically set up for some weird anti-Enyo setup.
If they orbit at 15-20 km they get torn to shreds by railguns. If they close to web range they get webbed and torn to shreds. With t2 rails, it doesn't take many volleys to equal one dead Crow. All this time, the Enyo's defenders will have cut down the missile spam to tankable levels. Sure, they could orbit far ourside railgun range - but in that case the Enyo pilot has time to go get a cup of coffee and still warp away
...but as everything in Eve, there's always an exception and specialized setups can always kill specific targets. In the general case, I'd lay my money on the AF in an inty vs. AF fight.
I've yet to find a really working Ishkur setup, though.
...if the enyo is using rails then he is not in a short range setup so your point is moot. My entire argument is that short range assaults (blasters, autocannons)=worthless vs inties cause they cant kill the long range ones, and long range assaults (rails, arty) are worthless because short range inties kill them. Obviously an enyo with rails (setup for long range) will kill a crow which is setup for long range).
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Even with a webber they pop easilly.
That needs some explanation. How do you pop a harpy with a web, a missile launcher und a decent tank before it kills you? If you are in web range, you will get hit by missiles and turrets will also hit a few times. If you are not in web range, you will get shot by 4x 150mm or even worse 125mm railguns.
Ill tell you my harpy setup, which i use to drive away enemy scramblers in larger fleet battles. (there is no srambler in my setup since it doesnt matter if i kill a frig or not, as long as it does not scramble one of our bs im fine ...)
4x150mm rail tech2, 1xstd Launcher
1x small shield booster tech2, 1x anoided em hardener, 1x web 90% and 1x cap recharger (no cpu left for something else :) )
2x tracking enhancer tech 2 to give me extra range
With which ceptor, setup and tactic would you counter that? Maybe assuming youd meet me at a stargate.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 21/06/2005 15:23:55
Originally by: Spuki
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Even with a webber they pop easilly.
That needs some explanation. How do you pop a harpy with a web, a missile launcher und a decent tank before it kills you? If you are in web range, you will get hit by missiles and turrets will also hit a few times. If you are not in web range, you will get shot by 4x 150mm or even worse 125mm railguns.
Ill tell you my harpy setup, which i use to drive away enemy scramblers in larger fleet battles. (there is no srambler in my setup since it doesnt matter if i kill a frig or not, as long as it does not scramble one of our bs im fine ...)
4x150mm rail tech2, 1xstd Launcher
1x small shield booster tech2, 1x anoided em hardener, 1x web 90% and 1x cap recharger (no cpu left for something else :) )
2x tracking enhancer tech 2 to give me extra range
With which ceptor, setup and tactic would you counter that? Maybe assuming youd meet me at a stargate.
Would you fit a gistii? I'm interested in how fast I could break your tank with a gistii. Maybe we can meet up somewhere north (or south if you are still down here).
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
...if the enyo is using rails then he is not in a short range setup so your point is moot. My entire argument is that short range assaults (blasters, autocannons)=worthless vs inties cause they cant kill the long range ones, and long range assaults (rails, arty) are worthless because short range inties kill them.
Ah, ok. Well, doesn't that apply to any ship class? "Long range X is worthless because short range Y kills it, and vice versa"? Sure, inties are strong because they can dictate range, so a Taranis can get to short range if it wants (unlike an AF), but I would by no means calls AFs worthless.
Agreed that short range AFs can't do much against long range inties, but the other way around I'm not totally convinced... webbed, you should still be a possible target for rails. But maybe not, will have to test. If the inty is packing a tracking disrupter, it could get nasty.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:29:00 -
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All I remember is TurtleHead saying in local....
"Damm I hate Assault Frigs" as he warped out in Claw... a half a second from lock with my Ishkur (4 T2 125's, Web, 8 Drones) all getting ready to bang away...
BTW... TurtleHead...that was some good fun 
On the subject.... AF's can be mean... but what you enemy is flying, should always determine if you attack or run... assuming you care about your ship
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 21/06/2005 15:01:47
Originally by: Elita Eoun
Originally by: DrunkenOne
By "long range" I mean rails on a harpy, arties on a wolf, etc. By "short range" I mean blasters on a harpy, autocannons on a wolf, etc.
Mkay, makes sense. Anyway now you will either have to convince us (with us I mean the "non belivers" in this thread) by stating with what inty, setup and strategy you would own a harpy with 150mm railguns "easy", OR come out as boasting as you state no facts other than "I own all AF easy in my ceptor".
Im not trying to be rude here, I just think you have to back it up some way 
I told you. Any combat inty, with the probably exception of the taranis cause it would take too long and the harpy could just jump out. And as for what setup? One I came up with, that won't be release to the public, sorry.
People in the last 2 days using my setup killing harpies in solo inties:
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=9472
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=9525
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=9474 <---hawk so basically the same thing
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=9399
http://five.killboard.net/?p=details&id=9305
I can add any other assault frig if you want.
lol no **** that u killed them. they all had stupid setups. I've yet to see an inty that kills my harpy.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Arbenowskee
lol no **** that u killed them. they all had stupid setups. I've yet to see an inty that kills my harpy.
If you or any other harpy pilots would like a 1v1 please convo or evemail me ingame.
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elita Eoun
The role of the AF is to kill other frigates 
This is the shipclass I enjoy the most. Somebody posted that it would be owned by some intys, I would say that an inty owning a AF is a "freak accident" that could happen if some strange fittings were involved (like inty with jammer or something similar). In my experience the harpy (i guess other AF work similar) will kill an inty in seconds. Sometimes its not even necessary to use a scrambler. I would take on 2-3 intys on my own anytime.
Cruisers are another matter, they can be nasty since they have plenty of slots and you dont know what to expect. Engage with caution, a standard thorax setup for frig killing can be really nasty.
May I ask about your Anti-Intie Setup.I got Jumped by two Inties and they were on me so fast I hadnt the chance to hit them with 125mm's before they were swarming all over me.
I tank the guys before the got bored and left but Id like to be able to Deal some damage.Blasters on are harpy?
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:40:00 -
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Sorry, only have one gistii which i dont use in pvp any more. Im up in north again but you will see me more often in a raptor or a thorax than my harpy. Its not because assaults suck or something like that, but i like using other ships from time to time :)
With a gistii sb ive been able to tank an almost perfectly skilled crow pilot using the missiles with my weakest ressistances, infinite. But thats been another setup with power diags in lows and no guns active.
The only ceptor that i could see able to eat through a harpys tank in time is a claw with armor plates and em/explo ammo. But it still cant web and scramble, so usually no big deal to escape from that.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 21/06/2005 15:46:37
Originally by: Spuki
The problem i have with that arranged fights are that you can perfectly prepare your fitting for me. Dont wanna fight something like a tanked stiletto with a racial jammer a defender launcher and fittings you¦d never really use in pvp otherwise.
I use the same setup no matter what I'm fighting, and jamming in 1v1s is usually prohibited.
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.06.21 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Arbenowskee
lol no **** that u killed them. they all had stupid setups. I've yet to see an inty that kills my harpy.
If you or any other harpy pilots would like a 1v1 please convo or evemail me ingame.
The problem i have with that arranged fights are that you can perfectly prepare your fitting for me. Dont wanna fight something like a tanked stiletto with a racial jammer a defender launcher and fittings you¦d never really use in pvp otherwise.
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:12:00 -
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2005.06.20 23:59:00
Victim: StreetPharmacist
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Celestial Apocalypse
Destroyed Type: Harpy
Solar System: HED-GP
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Hobblin I (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Supremacy
Ship Type: Crusader
Weapon Type: Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Destroyed items:
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 125mm Railgun II (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Piranha Light Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 192
Type: Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Warp Disruptor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Cargo)
Quantity: 2485
Type: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Small Shield Booster II (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Tracking Enhancer II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: 'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 50
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 50
Type: Antimatter Charge S (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 50
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hobblin I
Drunk told me his setup and now I can kill assaults too, yay! I also want his manbabies
Shh later hunny.
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Hobblin I
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:21:00 -
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hehe editted msg Drunk. Think you have the ability to type what others wanted to :p
Anyhow, trackign disruptors are fine on 3 mid slot ships.. the 2 midslot variety don't quite have the options.
Its always nice to see the xyz misses you completely msg. Though, his piranha missiles did hit me was at 85% armor when he popped.. and then his buddy in a tempest killed me as I finished him off. Think he didn't expect to die, didn't even say GF back to me :(
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hobblin I
hehe editted msg Drunk. Think you have the ability to type what others wanted to :p
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T34R4k
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:00:00 -
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I like my enyo 
Its a nice fight against a close range claw when you've got rails fitted.
@5 nice that you have to post killmails here .. so whats about posting losses too?
1on1 Enyo vs Claw
2on2 Enyo Claw vs Jaguar Claw
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 21/06/2005 17:06:36
Originally by: T34R4k
I like my enyo
Its a nice fight against a close range claw when you've got rails fitted.
@5 nice that you have to post killmails here .. so whats about posting losses too?
1on1 Enyo vs Claw
2on2 Enyo Claw vs Jaguar Claw
Awesome, so you posted a kill involving 2 of you vs 1 of me, and a kill not involving me. Fantastic, that totally proves your point. Especially seeing how your enyo lived in about 1/2 structure and you only lived cause of the claw.
And as far as "post losses too!!!" no one using this setup from 5 has died to an assault frigate yet in a 1v1, so I don't see how any other kills would matter. I've died in that setup twice now, once to the 2 of you (and you would have died without the claw), and once to 3 F-E inties, of which I killed 2. And Hobblin died to a sniper tempest, which once again has nothing to do with assault frigates.
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T34R4k
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:14:00 -
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1. i havent posted Hobblins kill
2. u engaged me while a jag was shooting me
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.21 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: T34R4k
1. i havent posted Hobblins kill
2. u engaged me while a jag was shooting me
you said @5 which means not just me, and hobblin posted a kill as well.
If you would like to 1v1 then evemail or convo me ingame, or chase me when you are camping in hed.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.06.21 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 21/06/2005 20:35:20
edit: nvm
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2005.06.21 22:29:00 -
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WOLF ftw very good AF IMHO, good point defence ship, not a good tackler IMO.
I fought a caracal toe to toe, and took him down without to much trouble, T2 280's do really good dmg tracking sucks but, 43.75% painter and hits really good. Put a webby on instead of painter and inty's will go pop in 2 to 3 vollys with a G-Stab 2.
AF's sre good but have dif roles for dif ships. Wolf=Fig killer, and can pound on cruisers pretty good. I took heavy fire from a brutix and got a 290 wrecker. The resistences are sick also
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.06.21 23:09:00 -
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Whatever the ships certain setups will beat certain other setups. I think the problem with Drunken Ones arguement is that he has a specific setup for taking on AF's. If and AF pilot knew this setup then I'm sure they'd have no trouble countering it. Oh and AF's don't suck you just have to gamble where you use it. Unlike a BS you can't fit them to have a good chance against anything. So fit it to take on certain classes and only get into fights you can win.
P.S. Don't fit an MWD on your AF, just get a nice T2 AB.
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MineallMine
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Posted - 2005.06.21 23:31:00 -
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Exactly. A Wolf with 280's vs an autoclaw /shudder
A Wolf with 4x 200mm IIs, a webber, a painter, 2X gyros, a rep II, and a kinetic hardener? A different story.
Of course that Wolf wouldn't do so hot against a crow now would it?
To the original point though ... what's the point of an AF? Well, they're a blast for lvl 3s, and in a mixed fleet battle they are great for anti-tackling and podding.
But in a 1 vs 1, as pointed out by many in this thread, their lack of speed makes them vulnerable to intys and thier lack of HP makes them vulnerable to the big boys.
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Corin Walker
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Posted - 2005.06.21 23:39:00 -
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^^^^^ I fought a caracal killed him, a crow warped in right at the end I locked and fired under my optimal mind you, and striped his shields completely + a little armour. He ran, MY point the crow in EXP hands is a deadly ship, but if i webb the same crow and at optimal and you stay and fight, the wolf should own the crow. IMHO only mind you
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2005.06.21 23:40:00 -
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^^^^^^ ME sorry stupid fourm thingy bad fourm 
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.06.22 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Target painters are fine, they're just bugged versus anything with an MWD. WHY CANT PEOPLE FIGURE THIS OUT?!
Maybe because 49% t2 frigs use mwd?
1% are intys with AB.
Anyone who puts a MWD on a Assault frig deserves to get the crap blown outta them. Check the Mass people!!! not ment to be going 3k/s!!!
ABs are for assaults, MWDs are for interceptors.
Assaults are awesome. You can blow up interceptors in a matter of seconds. If they are far away, you got the range and small guns tracking to shoot em, if they are close, you can web em. You also do great damage. Smart bombs and Heavy Nosf are your greatest problems. Missiles will be fine after the patch.
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.06.22 05:01:00 -
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A gank setup on an AF is pretty fun. Inties come within ~20km and go BOOM!
However, the main problem I find is that cruisers and battleships are equally good at pwning AFs (and inties). Cruisers and HACs pwning AFs handilly I accept happily, but BS should not have such an annoyingly easy job of it. Sig-based missile dps nerf alone isn't quite enough.
Tech1 frigs and AFs should have more survivability vs. BS - and tech1 frigs should do more damage than inties, but inties should be more evasive and have better tackling and prey catching abilities. I want tech1 frigs to become more popular and more useful because I want to shoot at them, and I want more people to be flying in cruisers so they can shoot at me in an entertaining way.
AFs, and frigates in general, are not meant to be tanked, that is just wrong! Damage and tracking mods ftw!
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