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jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 12:46:00 -
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Not my idea - this guys < Takanuro >, but please CCP take note.
If you like it then please +1 it....
Takanuro wrote:SeaSaw wrote:Good Sir;
Just fit 2 warp core stabs and run if you get into trouble. You don't need a corp or fleet. You can solo small plex's in a t1 rifter with 2wcs, thats as much as you will ever need.
your humble servent SamDog [ This just gave me a good idea. When you go to a Plex gate with a shuttle or n00b ship it says something like 'This gate is not configured to accept...." and doesn't let you in.
Maybe WCS should also cause some kind of disruption to the Plex acceleration gates that means you can't activate them. In keeping with the reason enter said plexes and I'm sure someone get make it make sense from a warp theory point of view( I hope lol)
Appreciate this doesnt deal with the mining frigate thingy but its a start. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
215
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Posted - 2013.01.11 12:49:00 -
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Finally a good reason to buy/trade a faction scram... it has 3 points. |
ahktallid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 12:51:00 -
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+1 stabbed ships in plexxes are a joke. |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2013.01.11 13:02:00 -
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I think they should also make it so that if you have WCS equipped then when you get scrambled if they don't have enough strength to hold you there then your MWD stays on as well. |
Othran
Route One
400
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Posted - 2013.01.11 13:08:00 -
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Better off just removing the ability to lock a target if you have a WCS fitted.
That shouldn't just apply in FW either.
Would make the tech2 version pointless but I don't much care |
Slade Antonius
In Exile.
2
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Posted - 2013.01.11 13:17:00 -
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Either this or don't allow stabs to function within the plex. We can't warp to fleetmates when they are fighting >150 km from the button or even the acceleration gate so there is precedent for disabling a basic ship function within the instances. Same could apply to stabs.
Sure the farmers will still run but at least if you happen to catch one or they actually commit to a fight, they won't be able to hit the escape button without getting themselves out of scram or point range by their own effort/skill. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
450
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:07:00 -
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Or they could do what they intended, kill off the farmers, by making the rats more than they are .. a simple T2 PvP fitted Punisher solo AFK ( almost) plexes up to and including mediums. They got rid of the gunless for the most part, big whoop, problem of farming however persists.
Wish someone with decision making privileges would try out FW in earnest .. kind of ridiculous that sheer numbers (ie. alts) get to determine almost everything associated with FW. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:15:00 -
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When jjohn docks his OGB fleet it would make sense
Add to the list:
Use of Cloaks & reset of timer on warp out
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jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:23:00 -
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Not fussed about cloaks - keeps it spicy, but agree with timers. This thread is about removing the legion (hehe) of stabbed semi afk plexxers. Start another thread on cloaks if its an issue for you Gunny. Or OGB, i dont think anyones ever mentioned them before.
AFK Plexxer alts bring no pew, they bring nothing to FW, they make a mockery of the contestation system that ZZP have worked so hard to bring. They should go. I cant see a reasonable argument against this.
Again - this isnt my idea, this was brought up by 'Takanuro' in another thread. Its a great idea. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:34:00 -
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I mention cloaks since this will be the next trick, to simply cloak on hostile warp in.
on the subject of no pvp we should also get rid of Stealth Bombers that only do lvl 4 missions.
I also mention OGB since I know you are a great fan and why not when it makes your Wolf tackle @ 36km and Web @ 15... in that case the only def for the "poor" plexer is to fit WCS and warp out. Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
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jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
84
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:52:00 -
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Too be honest Gunny you are only showing yourself up thinking a nano wolf can fit propulsion, a point, and a web in the first place.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wolf
I have no issue with cloakers because you only cloak if you intend to bring a fight, or maybe you try and use your cloaky griffin as a get out of jail and then forget that cloaking means you cant immediately lock and then you die.
Am sure we can 5hit up any one of a billion other OGB/FW threads. AFK Plexxers impact all of us that are (lol) ''serious'' about pew-pew and FW. if you can find it in your heart to leave this one on topic that would be ace. Start some other threads if you have issues with other things.
o/ |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
451
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Posted - 2013.01.11 14:54:00 -
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Gunship wrote:...on the subject of no pvp we should also get rid of Stealth Bombers that only do lvl 4 missions... 1. Poison pills in all missions. Either stay and fight for your right or lose standings when mission is forcibly closed .. would make bombers obsolete overnight. 2. Missions to hostile held space only. None of that silly "originally held" space if you please, would act as a balancing factor when two sides are mismatched as a snowball gets insane LP per mission but it can spawn in a very few select systems thus increasing risk many-fold.
PS: OGB is already standing in line to get a ticket for the DoDo-resort so I for one will tough it out until the bus leaves the station. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
103
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:22:00 -
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jjohnpaul xvii wrote: Am sure we can 5hit up any one of a billion other OGB/FW/Mission running threads. AFK Plexxers impact all of us that are (lol) ''serious'' about pew-pew and FW. if you can find it in your heart to leave this one on topic that would be ace. Start some other threads if you have issues with other things, its very easy to do so.....
OK so you just have a scrambler at 36km and move at 6km/s in a Wolf "poor you". (I'm sure you manage without the web *sigh*)
What I am saying is that you can't have one without the other, mentioning related FW issues surely is needed to make a good fix. An unrelated item would be "a mining laser" as an example.
Your OGB is totally related to WCS in plexes in a FW scenario. If you can't see that practically being able to lock a target as soon as you land (assuming the target is within the countdown timer) is not a huge advantage you're just dense on purpose.
So for the billion and 1 time:
WCS in FW plexes needs to die OGB in FW and in general needs to die FW Mission running SB's needs to die Cloaking in FW plexes also needs to die.
I'm not serious about PvP just hopeless addicted.
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Batelle
Aliastra
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:47:00 -
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make NPC rats actually kill people that are running the plex if the plex runner doesn't kill them. Remove the faction hit for killing FW npcs, because some of us aren't exactly married to being in fw forever. Fighting is Magic |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:51:00 -
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If you remove SB capability to do L4 missions no one will do L4 FW missions and you'd just get more farmers in plexes. Taking a PVE fit BC or BS or HAC across a dozen jumps of lowsec to a visible to all beacon while exposed to tons of NPC ewar is not going to happen. |
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:02:00 -
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Good sirs;
The easiest thing to do, would be to change your standard fit to 2 points, or--hunt in pairs. I know that is a stretch. Still some players realize that if they are going after wcs ships they need to change their tactics.
So here is a rather long and complicated but helpfull list of how to get stabbed players:
One: remember you can't use your usual fit.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:28:00 -
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Gunship > No im sorry Gunny - but i cant see anything related with the original post at the top of the page and OGB except that they exist in the same game.
Its a post about a very simple way to decrease AFK plexxers/farmers chances of getting caught. Re-read it. Hopefully a mod will remove your drivel, Also, You cant post pure unadulterated three mid slot wolf crap then *sigh* when your called on it. Also-also, for the second time, you cant Scram to 36k in a wolf. Also-also-also Stop poo poasting. You need to send a corp mail on this because its becoming endemic.
Batelle - agree 100% they should do that. This change doesnt stop them though. Its fairly quick, cant see any unintended consequences.
Seasaw:
Dear Sir,
Old hat,
Your humble servant Me.x |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
455
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:32:00 -
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SeaSaw wrote:...One: remember you can't use your usual fit.....SeaSaw Which is all well and fine, most of us mix it up to keep it fresh and get those oh so valuable seconds of advantage against opponents .. but claiming that the answer to this particular issue is gimping fits to hold/kill farming alts that have less worth (LP+Drop) than what is fitted in ones highslots is outright stupidity.
It is right up there along with blobs being the counter to blobs, getting ones own booster alt to counter booster alts et al. .. imagine where Eve would be if you and your ilk had their way, if no development or improvement was made as long as a "work around" existed.
That is the only really scary thing I got from your post.
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SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:37:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:SeaSaw wrote:...One: remember you can't use your usual fit.....SeaSaw Which is all well and fine, most of us mix it up to keep it fresh and get those oh so valuable seconds of advantage against opponents .. but claiming that the answer to this particular issue is gimping fits to hold/kill farming alts that have less worth (LP+Drop) than what is fitted in ones highslots is outright stupidity .. as far as I am concerned, they can cram all the WCS onto their ships they like but then they should have zero impact on anything (ie. no VP/LP) It is right up there along with blobs being the counter to blobs, getting ones own booster alt to counter booster alts et al. .. imagine where Eve would be if you and your ilk had their way, if no development or improvement was made as long as a "work around" existed. That is the only really scary thing I got from your post.
Good Veshta;
I think we have a special case here--these guys know they are after wcs plexers, and they know where to find them and they know how they are fit. It should be as simple as fitting your ship to kill a certain kind of NPC rat.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
225
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Posted - 2013.01.11 18:32:00 -
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Please make the button instantly target everyone who enters the plex - plex farmers who cloak when you enter are also a joke. Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
375
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Posted - 2013.01.11 20:31:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Finally a good reason to buy/trade a faction scram... it has 3 points.
Yes and in the end you kill a low skilled crappy fit frig. Great victory and worthwhile PVP. |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
175
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Posted - 2013.01.11 22:21:00 -
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SeaSaw wrote: I think we have a special case here--these guys know they are after wcs plexers, and they know where to find them and they know how they are fit. It should be as simple as fitting your ship to kill a certain kind of NPC rat.
your humble servent SeaSaw
i've managed to put three points on my Crow (gets difficult due to CPU issues), but many ships have more lows than I have spare mids. Also, they often tend to warp off before I can get the point on them.
WCS is not the issue here. Being able to capture plexes this way is. As said before, having the timer revert to a neutral state if there are no friendlies or enemies about actually punishes the non-PvP plexer and lessen the effect the farmers have on the warzone. |
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:11:00 -
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Good Merdaneth;
Yes, I agree, if a system has been empty for a while, then sure, the plex values should drop.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
fingie
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.01.12 18:52:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:2. Missions to hostile held space only.
I absolutely support this. It would troll the Gallente SO HARD, with Caldari having no system left |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
458
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:02:00 -
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fingie wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:2. Missions to hostile held space only. I absolutely support this. It would troll the Gallente SO HARD, with Caldari having no system left Idea first came (not mine, don't know whose) about around the FarmVilleGäó presentation at FF, so while it would look like a massive troll now, I can assure you it is not .. back then things were fairly equal all-round or as equal as FW can get at any rate ..
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
378
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:09:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:fingie wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:2. Missions to hostile held space only. I absolutely support this. It would troll the Gallente SO HARD, with Caldari having no system left Idea first came (not mine, don't know whose) about around the FarmVilleGäó presentation at FF, so while it would look like a massive troll now, I can assure you it is not .. back then things were fairly equal all-round or as equal as FW can get at any rate ..
Sorry but FarmVilleGäó is already a registered trade mark.. We are playing FarmWarsGäó. |
Alonjar
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:52:00 -
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Why is everybody so butthurt about not being able to get easy kills?
My PvP character only has like 4m sp so far.... he cant properly 1v1 anybody really, not enough DPS.... but he CAN do novice complexes and I find it very exciting to do so, even when Im just running away... its like a giant game of cat and mouse, and rather fun. I would say even with stabs I get killed all the time.. some people out there have good tactics for catching me, others dont.
How does this really affect you? Why are you so mad? Do you just not want other people to be able to make isk? Do you think low skill characters shouldnt be allowed to participate in FW? Are you mad because your side of the war is "losing?"
Or are you just upset because you keep thinking you're going to pad your KB by ganking that weaksauce rifter with your hookbill, and then you rage when the mouse gets away?
Why is it so important that CCP should craft the game to you? |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
444
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:13:00 -
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Alonjar wrote:Why is everybody so butthurt about not being able to get easy kills?
Pretty much this. I have my fair share of WTs with WCS here in Gallente space. But I have even more WTs who run away at the sight of 1v1 or even 3v3s. Farmers. I just move on. So should you. To quote Bruce Lee;
Quote:Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.GÇ¥
Flow like water peeps. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog Recruitment Status: On C'est La Eve :) |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
111
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Posted - 2013.01.13 06:27:00 -
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jjohnpaul xvii wrote:Not my idea - this guys < Takanuro >, but please CCP take note. Takanuro wrote:Someone wrote:Good Sir;
Just fit 2 warp core stabs and run if you get into trouble. You don't need a corp or fleet. You can solo small plex's in a t1 rifter with 2wcs, thats as much as you will ever need.
your humble servent SamDog This just gave me a good idea. When you go to a Plex gate with a shuttle or n00b ship it says something like 'This gate is not configured to accept...." and doesn't let you in.
Maybe WCS should also cause some kind of disruption to the Plex acceleration gates that means you can't activate them. In keeping with the reason enter said plexes and I'm sure someone get make it make sense from a warp theory point of view( I hope lol) Appreciate this doesnt deal directly with the silly mining frigate thingy but its a start and would be easily adaptable. Easy to implement and I I cant immediately see any unintended consequences. AFK/semi-afk plexxing needs tackling (heheheheheh)
How cute Kenny, how cute... I mean the timing. For YEARS your side could run plexes in stabbed frigates. Then Amarr was allowed to do it too for some months. Of course your CSM and your CCP dev friends made sure it does not last long enough to make an impact. Suddenly you had to kill all rats, just before Amarr could climb to T5, and just exactly when Caldari let Gallente take systems, as Gallente let them take systems many times before. This was Farm Wars 1.0. Now we have Farm Wars 2.0, and once again those dirty Amarr Milita pilots are able to plex with stabbed frigs. I understand how much it hurts your feelings, as you are one of the many firm believers that there are 2 chosen militias in this game, and Amarr and Caldari should play FW like those roleplayers play EVE who decided to play as Sansha or Serpentis. But seriously Kenny, dont get so mad about it! Just ask your buddies, Loryanna or Bahamut, they should be able to tell you many stories that happened during those years of farming with stabbed Vigils! |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:50:00 -
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Cynth - i know your mad cos i trolled you to tears in front of your buddies over the w/e. It warms my heart just thinking about it.
Nomnomnomnomnomnom.x |
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