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Grizzwald
Reloaded. Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:54:00 -
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Hi.
I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured. I for one will no longer accept any 1v1 offer made because of this constant lack of honor and deception.
I know there are many out there who are brave enough and headstrong enough to go through with their challenge even to the bitter end but I will never get the chance to fight them because of all the lamers.
So basically just wanted to say thx to all the cowards out there who are either too afraid of losing or just plain terrible and unable to get kills by using skill and knowledge as opposed to cheap tactics and for their disregard of what I thought was a pvp'ers unwritten code. But then maybe that's just Eve.
But anyway, it's so long 1v1's!, for me...
Grizz. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:13:00 -
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okay. |
Sinnek
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:50:00 -
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Guess it depends on where you are or what you fly. I just came back after about a year of playing tanks, and I find there's about as many pilots flying around in the minnie/amarr FW zone in frigs and nano boats happily taking on a 1v1 that looks like a good fight, as there ever was. But if you go around actually asking for one, i suppose you'd get set up a lot. I just find someone who looks like they're out on the same errand as me (solo brawling), do a little dance to see who will aggress where, overheat all and go for it.
Fly fun o7 |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:52:00 -
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Grizzwald wrote:Hi.
I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured. I for one will no longer accept any 1v1 offer made because of this constant lack of honor and deception.
I know there are many out there who are brave enough and headstrong enough to go through with their challenge even to the bitter end but I will never get the chance to fight them because of all the lamers.
So basically just wanted to say thx to all the cowards out there who are either too afraid of losing or just plain terrible and unable to get kills by using skill and knowledge as opposed to cheap tactics and for their disregard of what I thought was a pvp'ers unwritten code. But then maybe that's just Eve.
But anyway, it's so long 1v1's!, for me...
Grizz.
Sounds to me like you're a coward. |
Grizzwald
Reloaded. Concordiat Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:04:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:Grizzwald wrote:Hi.
I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured. I for one will no longer accept any 1v1 offer made because of this constant lack of honor and deception.
I know there are many out there who are brave enough and headstrong enough to go through with their challenge even to the bitter end but I will never get the chance to fight them because of all the lamers.
So basically just wanted to say thx to all the cowards out there who are either too afraid of losing or just plain terrible and unable to get kills by using skill and knowledge as opposed to cheap tactics and for their disregard of what I thought was a pvp'ers unwritten code. But then maybe that's just Eve.
But anyway, it's so long 1v1's!, for me...
Grizz. Sounds to me like you're a coward.
You're wrong. Just tired of getting warped to a pos when u offer to join a fleet and fight at a safe. Scared of 1v1'ing? No way. Scared of getting jumped? Not really just getting tired of the same stupid scams being pulled over and over. I will still fight 1v1 anytime I can, just won't by arrangement becoz they're never honored. I could list names but I'm not that low.
Grizz. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1155
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:47:00 -
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Hello Grizzwald:
I used to do quite a lot of duels in Empire and lowsec. If you check my killboard data from a few years ago, you will find a lot of cruiser and frigate battles in Amarr, Youl, and the faction warfare zone of Devoid & The Bleak Lands. I speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who will honour duels. I also speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who just want to pad their killboard with another easy win. Just accept the fact that you take risk whenever you trust someone. This is true of real life as well as in EVE.
Specific to EVE you really ought to consider that if you're abandoning something that you prefer to do (honourable 1v1 space combat) because of the actions of others, then you are letting those faceless others ruin your game and dictate to you how you play it. I would humbly suggest that you adopt a different perspective. Rather than assuming that a duel will be honoured and then becoming upset when it is not, go into each duel with the understanding that there's a good chance it will not be honoured and then be pleasantly surprised if it is. Your angst-filled words on the forums will not change things for the better, either in your life or in your game play; but, a conscious choice by you to accept responsibility for your actions and choices can lead to you having a more realistic and positive outlook on the same data. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:52:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Rather than assuming that a duel will be honoured and then becoming upset when it is not, go into each duel with the understanding that there's a good chance it will not be honoured and then be pleasantly surprised if it is. Your angst-filled words on the forums will not change things for the better, either in your life or in your game play; but, a conscious choice by you to accept responsibility for your actions and choices can lead to you having a more realistic and positive outlook on the same data.
Amen. There are few things in EVE as satisfying as turning the tables on a dishonoured 1v1, so see each one as an opportunity for a goodfite if honored, or a chance to get some extra kills if it's not. If you aren't packing backup to deal with the inevitable dis~honour~, than do your best to ensure you can disengage. Often those intending to dishonor 1v1's will call in backup early or otherwise signal their intentions while you still have time to GTFO.
And always use common sense- if they're eager to 1v1 in lowsec or null, insist on a fleet with the two of you in separate squads in *your* safe. If they aren't willing to agree to this, there's usually dishonor intended, and if you see them dropping fleet you at least have some warning. |
Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:18:00 -
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Good day, Grizzwald:
Unless someone knows you, they don't know if you will be the one dishonoring a 1v1.
Personally, I follow and respect The Tusker Code where we don't accept 1v1's or offer them. That does not mean we don't solo, but we would rather find or be found for the fight.
That stated, getting solo fights depends a lot on what you are flying.
Last night I was in an Incursus, and a Dramiel pilot was complaining that Tuskers don't solo because I would not engage.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/ * http://evepiratelife.com/ |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
9
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Posted - 2011.10.09 18:37:00 -
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I honour 1vs1's.
Come find me some time if you want one ;P |
Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:03:00 -
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Good day:
Just a confirmation that if you specifically ask (extremely key) Mystical Might for a 1v1 and he specifically answers (also key) directly, he will honor 1v1's.
The main reason for stating "specifically" is that Mystical Might does have friends he flies with on a very regular basis; and often times, those friends may need reminding not to join in.
Mystical Might is en extremely solid pilot, so do expect an extremely good fight from him; and if your skills (not talking skill points, but more piloting skills) are below average, it will be an extremely quick death.
Mystical Might typically flies in the Amarr and Minmatar low security space area if you want to find him. It is common to see him in a super pimped Cynabal or a super pimped Tengu; though occasionally, he flies a pimped Imperial Navy Slicer or Dramiel.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/ * http://evepiratelife.com/ |
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Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:25:00 -
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Mara Abraham wrote:Good day:
Just a confirmation that if you specifically ask (extremely key) Mystical Might for a 1v1 and he specifically answers (also key) directly, he will honor 1v1's.
The main reason for stating "specifically" is that Mystical Might does have friends he flies with on a very regular basis; and often times, those friends may need reminding not to join in.
Mystical Might is en extremely solid pilot, so do expect an extremely good fight from him; and if your skills (not talking skill points, but more piloting skills) are below average, it will be an extremely quick death.
Mystical Might typically flies in the Amarr and Minmatar low security space area if you want to find him. It is common to see him in a super pimped Cynabal or a super pimped Tengu; though occasionally, he flies a pimped Imperial Navy Slicer or Vengeance.
Thank you.
Fixed that for you, and thanks for confirming that I honour. ;P. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.10.09 20:24:00 -
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Elise Randolph wrote:Sounds to me like you're a coward. Sounds to me like the OP doesn't have any friends. |
YesI'mWatching
Cool4Cats
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Posted - 2011.10.09 21:05:00 -
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I don't often ask for 1 v 1 anymore, i get angry when it's dishonoured, I am in nulsec (delve currently).. even here where large fleets are fighting over sov i do still find pilots willing to take a chance on a solo encounter, I always assume it's bait and work on the idea that i might kill him before gang arrives.
I only fly frig hulls, the bigger the ship the less chance you have of finding the fights you want.
Don't give up though, just accept you won't always get the fight you wan't, you just might get a better one. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 00:10:00 -
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in a game that advertised corp theft as a feature, you're surprised at the lack of honor? seriously? |
Avernus Ravenwing
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 07:30:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Hello Grizzwald:
I used to do quite a lot of duels in Empire and lowsec. If you check my killboard data from a few years ago, you will find a lot of cruiser and frigate battles in Amarr, Youl, and the faction warfare zone of Devoid & The Bleak Lands. I speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who will honour duels. I also speak from experience when I say that there are plenty of people out there who just want to pad their killboard with another easy win. Just accept the fact that you take risk whenever you trust someone. This is true of real life as well as in EVE.
Specific to EVE you really ought to consider that if you're abandoning something that you prefer to do (honourable 1v1 space combat) because of the actions of others, then you are letting those faceless others ruin your game and dictate to you how you play it. I would humbly suggest that you adopt a different perspective. Rather than assuming that a duel will be honoured and then becoming upset when it is not, go into each duel with the understanding that there's a good chance it will not be honoured and then be pleasantly surprised if it is. Your angst-filled words on the forums will not change things for the better, either in your life or in your game play; but, a conscious choice by you to accept responsibility for your actions and choices can lead to you having a more realistic and positive outlook on the same data.
wow a goon who isnt hate trolling, i am pleasantly surprised. +1 |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
59
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Posted - 2011.10.10 20:18:00 -
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I too used to do allot of arranged 1v1s. I don't think a single one was ever dishonored. Although there have been times when people scanned us down and broke up the fight. Never really happened in my favor but I know the other side didn't do it intentionally.
Just make sure you know the rules. For example I always duel where it is acceptable to warp out if the other guy is "winning" but can't hold a point. I think that is typically how it is done, for good reason. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:29:00 -
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I 1v1 all the time... and have lots of fun doing it. Here's a couple pointers on how I find quality 1v1's:
1.) In my experience, while requesting a 1v1 will get you the occassional solo fight, most 1v1's just happen. In quick fights (frig vs frig), travelling to a location where the fight will be over before help can arrive is the best method! I like to pull fast tackle a full system or more ahead of their fleet... gank them on the outgoing gate, and then warp off to safety before help can land.
2.) 80% of eve will call for backup if they think they have a risk of losing. The easiest way to get someone to agree to a 1v1 is to attack them as an underdog. Bringing a cruiser to a frigate battle will net you no fights, bringing a frigate to a cruiser battle will get you significantly more fights.
3.) Agreeing to a 1v1 prior to a fight is the ONLY way to let your opponent know your not playing cat and mouse, but top dog. Note: Until a target agrees to the 1v1, its NOT a 1v1.
4.) About 25% of eve have no qualms breaking their word to get a killmail, so asking for a 1v1 opens you up to trickery. If you fly blingy or if you win alot, your much more likely you are to have your 1v1's violated.
5.) Fights in populated systems (especially hi-sec) are plagued with people using fleet bonuses and expensive implants to get a significant advantage. For "fair" fights, you should try to move the fight into an unpopulated system.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:52:00 -
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Quite often someone who's been spending the last half an hour in local spamming requests for 1v1s will go red to me even though I already told him that I'm not going to honor a 1v1.
I can't understand why they then get mad when a corpy in a faction battleship logs in and pops him while he's engaging me.
What part of "I'm busy padding my KB with noob kills, I'm not interested in honor duels, go away." don't people understand? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:30:00 -
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E-honour is silly The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Duke Thunderhorse
Black Rebel Rifter Club
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 05:54:00 -
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I'm not big on arranging 1v1s. I prefer to just let them happen naturally. Of course that leaves the door open for engaging bait and becoming a victim of a ganking. It is very disappointing when what seems to be a 1v1 turns into something else. There is no doubt about that. When you embark on a career as a solo pilot I have found it does wonders to forget about KB stats and just enjoy each fight you get. If the fight turns into a blob then so be it. You can rest assured that you were the best pilot on grid. Re-ship and move on.
Any Black Rebel will give you a honored 1v1. |
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Siva Surya Kshatriya
Buccaneers of New Eden The Forsaken.
11
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:37:00 -
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Mara Abraham wrote:Good day, Grizzwald:
Unless someone knows you, they don't know if you will be the one dishonoring a 1v1.
Personally, I follow and respect The Tusker Code where we don't accept 1v1's or offer them. That does not mean we don't solo, but we would rather find or be found for the fight.
That stated, getting solo fights depends a lot on what you are flying.
Last night I was in an Incursus, and a Dramiel pilot was complaining that Tuskers don't solo because I would not engage.
Thank you.
Weren't you the Tusker that kept asking me to fight your Taranis while I was roaming in my Dram? I asked you about your buddies right next door, and you said they wouldn't bother us... Though to be fair I guess, you never did explicitly call it a 1v1, just a fight...
And to the OP, you trippin son. I've had a decent amount of arranged 1v1 fights in Syndicate and Molden Heath, and so far everyone has honored their word. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
332
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:08:00 -
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A 1v1 isn't a binding contract and you have to second guess the bads from the goods. If you have any suspicion whatsoever then either try to kill them despite their dishonour, or simply blueball them.
There is nothing more satisfying in eve than killing someone who tried to sneak in some backup and either killing everyone, or at least killing the bait and getting out alive GÖÑ GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
24
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:25:00 -
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I don't 1vs1 often, but as my Bio states - I will honor a 1vs1 as long as you do. You break the 1vs1 all bets are off then it can escalate into a delicious gang pew pew. I always expect it to be a trap, cause you know - this is eve and all. |
Alice Saki
Ducklings
4
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:34:00 -
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Grizzwald wrote:Hi.
I'm just writing this thread to say how disappointing it is that no-one seems to honor 1v1's. I've challenged and have been challenged many times but very rarely, if the opposing party is at risk of losing have they been honoured. I for one will no longer accept any 1v1 offer made because of this constant lack of honor and deception.
I know there are many out there who are brave enough and headstrong enough to go through with their challenge even to the bitter end but I will never get the chance to fight them because of all the lamers.
So basically just wanted to say thx to all the cowards out there who are either too afraid of losing or just plain terrible and unable to get kills by using skill and knowledge as opposed to cheap tactics and for their disregard of what I thought was a pvp'ers unwritten code. But then maybe that's just Eve.
But anyway, it's so long 1v1's!, for me...
Grizz.
I'll be in Rens tonight 6 GMT+0 1v1 Frig if you want? I have No friends within Eve, Come get some! :D My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2011.10.11 16:24:00 -
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I used to fight arranged 1v1 all the time but I recently stopped as they never seem as fun as "finding" **** to shoot. And also the last several I did participate in were not honored.
Is sexy time? |
ExiledMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 17:38:00 -
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Obligatory 'Join Red Vs Blue' Bump.
o7 |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.10.11 18:45:00 -
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Kitty McKitty wrote:A 1v1 isn't a binding contract and you have to second guess the bads from the goods. If you have any suspicion whatsoever then either try to kill them despite their dishonour, or simply blueball them.
There is nothing more satisfying in eve than killing someone who tried to sneak in some backup and either killing everyone, or at least killing the bait and getting out alive GÖÑ
This. If a 1v1 is dishonoured, try and kill the guy and get out. If you don't have enough time to kill him, just get out alive.
Failing both you could cry on the forums... owait. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
Bengal Bob
Royal Order of Security Specialists
12
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Posted - 2011.10.12 08:32:00 -
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It sounds like you are trying to get these fights in high sec. There is a reason all these guys are in high sec, and it isn't pvp.
Get your ass down to a FW zone and speak to guys in local there - most are experienced pvpers and are used to losing ships so less likely to panic and dishonour the 1v1. Obviously some will, but just make a note of the corp and move on.
You are less likely to get a 1v1 in larger ships, mostly because people are too wary to engage in a 3/4 minute fight with someone they don't already know as there is too much risk of scanning the fight down and warping in.
Fit yourself 50 or so ships that you want practice in - probably mostly frigs but a few cruisers would be ok. Think about what you are likely to engage and have different fits for all those fights. This means that you can quickly and easily ship into something that is optimally fit for the fight. Make sure theseships aren't more than 1 or 2 jumps from where you are looking to fight as people wil suspect a trap or get bored if they have to wait 10 minutes.
Booster alts are prevalent these days, always assume someone has one in system. Killboards have much useful intel, if they have no solo kills, and are offering a 1v1 be suspicious.
Make sure you are in a fleet, and have boss so no one else can be invited. Watch to check if they drop fleet so they can invite friends. Use YOUR safespots (which of course you will have prepared in advance) Make sure that whoever you are engaging has explicitly agreed to a 1v1. Once they are dead, GTFO - the 1v1 is over and revenge may be warping into your safe. Assume they will pod you as well. Always GF and stay for a chat (safely docked) If you lost ask for advice, if you won offer commiserations - don't laugh at their noobfit.
You will then start to build a pool of people that remember you as a solo player and they are then less likely to tarp you.
Good systems to ask for a 1v1 in the Minnie area are Dal, Auga, Kourm, Huola and Arzad. Baby pies tend to live in Siseide, but treat with caution and ask for the fight in different system.
I am usually buzzing about in those areas and will happily give you a 1v1, as will many others.
Good luck and don't lose heart, you can still find adrenalin pvp (win or lose) if you just work for it. |
Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
20
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:05:00 -
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Good day, Siva Surya Kshatriya:
Yes, I was asking to fight your Dramiel in my Taranis. When you mentioned my buddies in Hevrice, we were in Costolle, two jumps away.
As I followed you around, you mentioned them in several locations; and my fellow Tuskers were all busy (I didn't even check for backup as I heard on vent and in corp chat they were doing this and that).
I did not ask for a duel or specifically state 1v1 even though I was solo. Just that I'm here, and willing to fight you if you would stop running.
While it would have been 1v1 on my part, it was not per-arranged or otherwise offered specifically.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/ * http://evepiratelife.com/ |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:19:00 -
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You could find a handful of people in Arnon that are willing to honor 1v1 duels (although I don't know about the rest). I've been doing 1v1 duels there on some occasions. Of course, I have lost quite a bit of ships there simply because of a stupid move I did (forgetting to use the jetcans), terrible fit, or just outsmarted by the better pilot. Not exactly the sort of track record I was wanting to start with for an industry dude like me. But hey, it's a start. At the very least, I have had fair fights there. And yes, I have lost every time. But at least I learn. |
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