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NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:27:00 -
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Will CCP be doing more to get none forum users involved with CSM though the ingame client intead of just posting an advert at startup?
We all know those who use forums like to whine, that meaning whiners wil vote for a whiny CSM. .. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1098
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:29:00 -
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Why am I agreeing with Nicky Yo?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1170
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:31:00 -
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In this case it's because you're both awful HEY OH!
But no seriously. What useful ideas do you have to put forward to reach people who don't read the forums at all? Pop ups in space? That's going to get annoying really quick. EVE mails? Probably more doable.
I want to hear some ideas out of you, NickyOh, instead of just you complaining. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
701
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:32:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Why am I agreeing with Nicky Yo? 'tis the end of times! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3326
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:35:00 -
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There's only so much you can do to get people to take an interest in improving their own affairs. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1098
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:36:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:In this case it's because you're both awful HEY OH!
Touche.
Quote:But no seriously. What useful ideas do you have to put forward to reach people who don't read the forums at all? Pop ups in space? That's going to get annoying really quick. EVE mails? Probably more doable.
There's a few options for them. Player base wide eve-mails (like you said), political banners in front of stations. You wouldn't even really need a new model, just take the billboards near gates and put them near stations. IMO, stations should have had some form of life near them in the first place. Space would have moar advertisements (like the Minmatar outpost).
Also maybe events to raise awareness, but those could be player driven. However, CCP could get the ball rolling in some manner.
Again, I'm amazed the I'm agreeing with Nicky Yo, but he's right. The vocal minority of the forums is what's represented here. And no that doesn't mean that only forum users care enough about Eve since they're on here reading it, it just means we're all trolls trolling each other for Space Forum Cred. The people who play and not give a damn about what others think (i.e. don't read the forums) should be reached out to.
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
169
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:37:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Will CCP be doing more to get none forum users involved with CSM though the ingame client intead of just posting an advert at startup?
We all know those who use forums like to whine, that meaning whiners wil vote for a whiny CSM.
wellmost folks who dont check the main site or dev blogs or even the popups generaly dont have any interest in the development and overall betterment of eve... otherwise they would be here reading and putting in there input, maybe some adverts on the big screen in CQ maybe thouhg :-P or even the billboards in space? just dont send spam mail like ya did with the aurum store opening,
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Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
740
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:40:00 -
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Just spam jita obviously --- I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1170
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:41:00 -
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My point is, how can you force the willfully ignorant to pay attention? |
Dave Stark
1562
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:44:00 -
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and how is this any different to a general election for the next government where the turnout of voters is lower than that of a big brother eviction show? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:46:00 -
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I dunno man, if huge splash screens and repeated articles in the 'news' section in the client, as well as emails, don't get people voting, perhaps they don't want to vote.
You would need one or more severe learning disabilities to miss the fact the election is happening. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Dave Stark
1562
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:47:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:My point is, how can you force the willfully ignorant to pay attention? suspend their account until they cast a vote.
hence being called aaaaaaaaaaCSMCandidate is the best choice of name for any one wanting to be on the csm. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Dave Stark
1562
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:48:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I dunno man, if huge splash screens and repeated articles in the 'news' section in the client, as well as emails, don't get people voting, perhaps they don't want to vote.
You would need one or more severe learning disabilities to miss the fact the election is happening.
to be fair, login screen splashes are ******* useless. when i open eve, i play in windowed mode, when i double click the bar to make it fill the screen it actually removes whatever splash advert there was. so many times i've missed them, and that news bar on the character selection screen is pointless. since you can only train one character on an account the character selection screen is redundant.
in short, adverts while logging in are utterly ineffective to people who actually want to log in and play the game. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
March rabbit
Aliastra
480
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:53:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Will CCP be doing more to get none forum users involved with CSM though the ingame client intead of just posting an advert at startup?
We all know those who use forums like to whine, that meaning whiners wil vote for a whiny CSM. i guess you are new here and don't know the story of last CSM election. Because if i'm wrong then.... Well.... I really don't know....
Just in case i'm right and you are new here. Last CSM election was advertised almost everywhere (i don't speak about Washington Post, Fox and other useless money sinks). People was discussing it on forums (lots of different threads + special forums), in game chats, while wasting time on CTAs,.... There was mail spams "Vote for me and get 1 billion"... CCP made a special advertisement on login screen about it. They made a couple of RSS and Twitter announcements.
CSM election finished, CSM elected, some time passed and.... People started to come to forums and whine "no one said me there was CSM election!", "CCP should pay more attention to people", "only goons voted", etc.....
People tent to not care about things. And if one doesn't care he will not waste his time on this thing. If you will annoy try to get him care you will be bloked and blamed. Like spammers in RL. Like advertisements blocks on TV when you just switch to another channel (not sure if people still do it, i haven't TV for like 3 years and didn't watch heavy-advertisement-infested channels for like 10 years). |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1171
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:My point is, how can you force the willfully ignorant to pay attention? suspend their account until they cast a vote. hence being called aaaaaaaaaaCSMCandidate is the best choice of name for any one wanting to be on the csm.
This creates a voter, it doesn't create an informed voter.
I don't know about you, but I don't want an uninformed voter representing the player base (even if that would be ~democratic~) |
Dave Stark
1562
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:59:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:My point is, how can you force the willfully ignorant to pay attention? suspend their account until they cast a vote. hence being called aaaaaaaaaaCSMCandidate is the best choice of name for any one wanting to be on the csm. This creates a voter, it doesn't create an informed voter. I don't know about you, but I don't want an uninformed voter representing the player base (even if that would be ~democratic~)
most people don't, but it was the only suggestion that'd really work for increasing the proportion of players that vote.
personally, if you don't vote i think that's fine. i also think it means you should be banned from the forums and the game for creating a post on the forums saying that you don't like something. because, you lost your voice when you didn't vote.
just like i say to any of my friends when they complain about the government, i always ask them if they voted and when they say no i swiftly back hand them and tell them to keep their mouth shut since they forfeit their right to comment on politics the moment they didn't cast a vote. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7068
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:00:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Why am I agreeing with Nicky Yo?
because you're a whiner?
In his usual inimitable style, Mr Yo raises an important issue. It would be good for the CSM to have a higher profile amongst the players. Ultimately, the CSM derives its legitimacy from the playerbase, and a CSM that sees 60 or 70% of the players involved in voting has rather more moral authority and clout than one which only 6 or 7% bothered to involve themselves with. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1171
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: most people don't, but it was the only suggestion that'd really work for increasing the proportion of players that vote.
personally, if you don't vote i think that's fine. i also think it means you should be banned from the forums and the game for creating a post on the forums saying that you don't like something. because, you lost your voice when you didn't vote.
just like i say to any of my friends when they complain about the government, i always ask them if they voted and when they say no i swiftly back hand them and tell them to keep their mouth shut since they forfeit their right to comment on politics the moment they didn't cast a vote.
For the record, this would be a very poor business decision on CCP's part. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7068
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:04:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's only so much you can do to get people to take an interest in improving their own affairs.
For one thing, you can vote for CSMs who will encourage & support CCP to develop EVE along radical sandbox lines, with an ever-increasing emphasis on player interaction. *whistles, looks innocent*
Change the game for these people and they'll get interested quick enough. Anything that affects hi-sec missioning or mining sees a sudden uptick of interest in the forums... Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
RomeStar
Astra Research
121
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:05:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:In this case it's because you're both awful HEY OH!
But no seriously. What useful ideas do you have to put forward to reach people who don't read the forums at all? Pop ups in space? That's going to get annoying really quick. EVE mails? Probably more doable.
I want to hear some ideas out of you, NickyOh, instead of just you complaining.
What if the pilots running for CSM could rent out those big billboards you see next to gates....:)actually what if anyone with enough Arummn could rent out said billboards ....hmmmm Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1173
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:06:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:In this case it's because you're both awful HEY OH!
But no seriously. What useful ideas do you have to put forward to reach people who don't read the forums at all? Pop ups in space? That's going to get annoying really quick. EVE mails? Probably more doable.
I want to hear some ideas out of you, NickyOh, instead of just you complaining. What if the pilots running for CSM could rent out those big billboards you see next to gates....:)actually what if anyone with enough Arummn could rent out said billboards ....hmmmm
Does anyone pay attention to those things?
Will anyone pay attention to those things when they are advertising Come Play Cybernations My Lord? |
Dave Stark
1563
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:07:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Dave Stark wrote: most people don't, but it was the only suggestion that'd really work for increasing the proportion of players that vote.
personally, if you don't vote i think that's fine. i also think it means you should be banned from the forums and the game for creating a post on the forums saying that you don't like something. because, you lost your voice when you didn't vote.
just like i say to any of my friends when they complain about the government, i always ask them if they voted and when they say no i swiftly back hand them and tell them to keep their mouth shut since they forfeit their right to comment on politics the moment they didn't cast a vote.
For the record, this would be a very poor business decision on CCP's part.
but it'd make the forums a far nicer place to visit. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12627
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:10:00 -
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The CSM doesn't represent the forums. They represent those who vote.
Ye olde 1%-rule states that there will be a 10% community engagement for these kinds of things, and 90% of those are just lurkers who provide little in the way of actual input. The last CSM election was spammed everywhere and achieved a whopping 17% voting participation, which is already remarkably high. Fighting against disinterest when you've already covered the most obvious ways of reaching people will just get harder and I sincerely doubt that participation will ever go beyond 20 or maaaaybe 25% GÇö it's just not worth the effort to get people that engaged, and trying to force them will just make the first name on the ballot win because that's who people will vote for to get rid of the incessant spam. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
NickyYo
StarHug
284
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:12:00 -
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If CCP were to introduce a new tab in the station next to the clone tab that would inform people, i think this could do it.
This button would open up a nice interactive screen explaining what a CSM is, at the end of the test, have a couple multiple 'random' questions testing the user, if he/her gets them correct reward them with a cruiser of their choice. I know for a fact that this will draw new players in, it get them involved and possibly resulting in them becoming aditcted to the games community meaning a 'NEW' bigger eve player base.
Possibly import this tab into the newbie tutorials.
It is important that this test is not a wall of text and has nice interactive diagrams. .. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
191
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:14:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Will CCP be doing more to get none forum users involved with CSM though the ingame client intead of just posting an advert at startup?
We all know those who use forums like to whine, that meaning whiners wil vote for a whiny CSM.
You have posted a whine complaint on the forums, complaining about whine posts on the forums... Oh the Irony NickyYo... it hurts my head. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1173
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:16:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:If CCP were to introduce a new tab in the station next to the clone tab that would inform people, i think this could do it.
This button would open up a nice interactive screen explaining what a CSM is, at the end of the test, have a couple multiple 'random' questions testing the user, if he/her gets them correct reward them with a cruiser of their choice. I know for a fact that this will draw new players in, it get them involved and possibly resulting in them becoming aditcted to the games community meaning a 'NEW' bigger eve player base.
Possibly import this tab into the newbie tutorials.
It is important that this test is not a wall of text and has nice interactive diagrams.
This is actually a good idea and I will give you a spacelike for it. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1098
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:17:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Will anyone pay attention to those things when they are advertising Come Play Cybernations My Lord?
TBH, the CONCORD Billboards always grab my attention when FlumZ's portrait comes up
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Tiberius Murderhorne
CONTRATTO IMPERIAL LEGI0N
64
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:18:00 -
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The CSM represents the people that bother to contact and suggest ideas to them,
if you want your voice heard stand up and shout! they cannot represent people that wont voice their opinion!
I for one welcome our new CSM overlords... and I will give them extra love if they bring up the problem of supercap proliferation and the POS interface :D
Cheers Tib Disclaimer : My posting does not always reflect my Corps views or my allience views.... Infact sometimes it does not even reflect my views! |
baltec1
Bat Country
4757
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:18:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:If CCP were to introduce a new tab in the station next to the clone tab that would inform people, i think this could do it.
This button would open up a nice interactive screen explaining what a CSM is, at the end of the test, have a couple multiple 'random' questions testing the user, if he/her gets them correct reward them with a cruiser of their choice. I know for a fact that this will draw new players in, it get them involved and possibly resulting in them becoming aditcted to the games community meaning a 'NEW' bigger eve player base.
Possibly import this tab into the newbie tutorials.
It is important that this test is not a wall of text and has nice interactive diagrams.
If people don't use the news feed they see upon logging in, the pop up advert on the login screen, ignore the links in local and corp chat, ignore emails, ignore the forums, ignore dev blogs and dont pay any attention to things like EVE Radio what makes you think they will use that?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7070
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The CSM doesn't represent the forums. They represent those who vote.
Ye olde 1%-rule states that there will be a 10% community engagement for these kinds of things, and 90% of those are just lurkers who provide little in the way of actual input. The last CSM election was spammed everywhere and achieved a whopping 17% voting participation, which is already remarkably high. Fighting against disinterest when you've already covered the most obvious ways of reaching people will just get harder and I sincerely doubt that participation will ever go beyond 20 or maaaaybe 25% GÇö it's just not worth the effort to get people that engaged, and trying to force them will just make the first name on the ballot win because that's who people will vote for to get rid of the incessant spam.
One could also make a case that out of a total set of ~350,000-400,000 possible voting accounts, a 17% sample is easily enough to accurately capture the aggregate preferences of the voter base.
But I'd still rather more players voted, if only so that by involving themselves they got a better understanding of where the game is going. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
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