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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1493
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:11:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Bane Necran wrote:I urge CCP to consider how most everyone in this thread is either a current resident of 0.0 or an alt of one.
What this is really about, is stopping or at least delaying the 0.0 sov changes you are working on, by making you 'refocus' on something else that will keep the game in the doldrums of mediocrity where they continue to thrive. Gee, that sounds familiar. Well, either a resident of 0.0, or WHs, or low, or high ... you know, the people a POS revamp would have an effect upon. I disagree that it would take everyone in CCP working full time only on POSs to get it done in a year. If that is reality, then they have other issues as a gaming company.
A POS revamp would arguably improve things for me more than anyone, being as i have ridiculously high standings with Gallente and Minmatar, and have even operated a business setting up hisec POS in the past. Yet i am still saying changes to 0.0 sov is a much more important issue because it truly and objectively is. People can still use POS as things are now, but only a small percentage of the playerbase can use 0.0 space.
And we agree it wouldn't take every resource CCP has to improve POS, but this thread is pretty much saying "drop everything and work on POS" which is what i disagree with. Very few people here seem content with 0.0 sov being the primary dev focus right now, and i wonder why that is. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1037
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:49:00 -
[2282] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote: A POS revamp would arguably improve things for me more than anyone, being as i have ridiculously high standings with Gallente and Minmatar, and have even operated a business setting up hisec POS in the past. Yet i am still saying changes to 0.0 sov is a much more important issue because it truly and objectively is. People can still use POS as things are now, but only a small percentage of the playerbase can use 0.0 space.
And we agree it wouldn't take every resource CCP has to improve POS, but this thread is pretty much saying "drop everything and work on POS" which is what i disagree with. Very few people here seem content with 0.0 sov being the primary dev focus right now, and i wonder why that is.
I think most people envision a POS revamp that actually leads to 0.0 sov being changed. Personal modular POS would be conflict drivers if they do it right. They'd bring in more small gangs. They'd perhaps make the major alliances decide if they really want to defend every backwater system just because, or give it up to small squatters. They'd allow the membership to start churning out industry instead of only a few people because of corp roles. They'd also give CCP a reason to remove a majority of npc slots from high/low sec, again leading to more industry in null. Etc. etc. The POS revamp could be a major shift in game play if only they'd put in the :effort: to do it right.
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Kvanta Kaifat
Waagh Ltd. Red Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:51:00 -
[2283] - Quote
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Cameron Jaynara
StellarTech Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:56:00 -
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POS revamp for the win! |
Ianzgnome
Unexpected Company Broken Toys
1
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:06:00 -
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I live in a wormhole and pos's need a change fix it! |
erik520
Demonic. Dominatus Atrum Mortis
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:41:00 -
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pos love please! revamp
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Neotin Nahrain
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
38
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:42:00 -
[2287] - Quote
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I think most people envision a POS revamp that actually leads to 0.0 sov being changed. Personal modular POS would be conflict drivers if they do it right. They'd bring in more small gangs. They'd perhaps make the major alliances decide if they really want to defend every backwater system just because, or give it up to small squatters. They'd allow the membership to start churning out industry instead of only a few people because of corp roles. They'd also give CCP a reason to remove a majority of npc slots from high/low sec, again leading to more industry in null. Etc. etc. The POS revamp could be a major shift in game play if only they'd put in the :effort: to do it right.
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Tribunus Taurus
SON OF RAVANA Dominatus Atrum Mortis
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:45:00 -
[2288] - Quote
POS needs work, for all the above reasons.
Trib |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:48:00 -
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Please improve the POS system k thx. |
Codex Allure
Sky Fighters Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:02:00 -
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FIX POS PLZ... LIKE FOR REAL |
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Mawderator
Mafia Redux
20
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:05:00 -
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As someone who runs capital escalations in wormholes, this is desperately needed. |
Jaenen
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:21:00 -
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I'm currently living out of a POS in W-space, something I've done several times in the past. Certainly the current POS system functions but it hardly does so well - we could really, really use an update to them to streamline their functionality. |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
239
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:41:00 -
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Another thing: in the minutes You guys say again and again that You want to make Enablers life easier - and at the same time, you shove away redesign of one of the biggest pain in the butt for us.
Good job. Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Marcus Rufus
Spartan Shipyards THE H0NEYBADGER
4
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:18:00 -
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CCP, the POS system needs a serious rework and progress needs to happen soon. It is absolutely miserable living and managing POS's and making them accessible and usable by everyone will make our lives easier and couple very easily attract many new players.
Thank you,
M. Rufus |
Skotykus
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
0
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:21:00 -
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As a person who manages POS in HS and WH, both would greatly benefit from a POS mechanics overhaul. |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
27
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:50:00 -
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I haven't read all 115 pages and I am sure this has all been said already. But the only reason EVERYONE isn't using a pos is because they suck.
What happened to the CCP we talked to at fanfest? Everyone thought POSes were so important, and the possibilities so exciting that the POS roundtable went an hour and a half overtime, only ending because CCP had to leave to go get drunk.
What we discussed, sketched up and imagined there was the greatest stuff ever. The devs at the roundtable seemed so excited and enthusiastic to tackle this. What happened? You started and realized it would be hard and gave up? That is the dumbest reason ever. To be clear if that isn't the reason thats what it sounds like.
In countless places throughout the CSM you bring up a "theme" and keep telling us you want an expansion that touches everything. POSes ARE that theme. For some reason your looking around the obvious contestant, searching for something that is less sought after, and less important.
SO yu understand, this game mechanic is something that LOSES you customers. I know people that have quit after burning themselves out after trying to manage multiple poses. No one plays eve to feel like its work, and POSes are the closest to a job I have found thus far in eve. I am not asking for something stupidly simple, but at least make my effort worth something. |
Skoticus
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
1
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:51:00 -
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Skotykus wrote:As a person who manages POS in HS and WH, both would greatly benefit from a POS mechanics overhaul.
I second that. |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:06:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote:I haven't read all 115 pages and I am sure this has all been said already. But the only reason EVERYONE isn't using a pos is because they suck.
What happened to the CCP we talked to at fanfest? Everyone thought POSes were so important, and the possibilities so exciting that the POS roundtable went an hour and a half overtime, only ending because CCP had to leave to go get drunk.
What we discussed, sketched up and imagined there was the greatest stuff ever. The devs at the roundtable seemed so excited and enthusiastic to tackle this. What happened? You started and realized it would be hard and gave up? That is the dumbest reason ever. To be clear if that isn't the reason thats what it sounds like.
In countless places throughout the CSM you bring up a "theme" and keep telling us you want an expansion that touches everything. POSes ARE that theme. For some reason your looking around the obvious contestant, searching for something that is less sought after, and less important.
SO yu understand, this game mechanic is something that LOSES you customers. I know people that have quit after burning themselves out after trying to manage multiple poses. No one plays eve to feel like its work, and POSes are the closest to a job I have found thus far in eve. I am not asking for something stupidly simple, but at least make my effort worth something.
THIS +10000000, this exactly. There is so much room for amazingness if you revamp the POS system. You give life to smaller alliances trying to do their push into 0.0. Fix the broken stupidness of losing minerals at a POS refinery and actually make the interface decent. Make it so that I don't want to kill myself if I use a POS with guns other than amarr (seriously I would literally never ever use any POS other than amarr since there is no way I am going to go to 30 guns individually and reload them when they run out of ammo). Ship assembly array should have the rang of the POS field it is just ******** that it doesn't. The list goes on for quite a bit more but those are the big ones in my book. |
Amyclas Amatin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:21:00 -
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My name is Amyclas Amatin, a returning newcomer after 5 years. And I support this petition. |
Resilan Bearcat
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:35:00 -
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As a director in a wormhole corporation, I would love to see the POS revamp be the highest priority until it is completed.
/support |
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Za'Kran
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
10
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:40:00 -
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Admit it GMs! Your only mad at POS's because yours got killed! |
Inco Reeve
The Dark Space Initiative
2
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Posted - 2013.01.20 05:32:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote:I haven't read all 115 pages and I am sure this has all been said already. But the only reason EVERYONE isn't using a pos is because they suck.
What happened to the CCP we talked to at fanfest? Everyone thought POSes were so important, and the possibilities so exciting that the POS roundtable went an hour and a half overtime, only ending because CCP had to leave to go get drunk.
What we discussed, sketched up and imagined there was the greatest stuff ever. The devs at the roundtable seemed so excited and enthusiastic to tackle this. What happened? You started and realized it would be hard and gave up? That is the dumbest reason ever. To be clear if that isn't the reason thats what it sounds like.
In countless places throughout the CSM you bring up a "theme" and keep telling us you want an expansion that touches everything. POSes ARE that theme. For some reason your looking around the obvious contestant, searching for something that is less sought after, and less important.
SO yu understand, this game mechanic is something that LOSES you customers. I know people that have quit after burning themselves out after trying to manage multiple poses. No one plays eve to feel like its work, and POSes are the closest to a job I have found thus far in eve. I am not asking for something stupidly simple, but at least make my effort worth something.
Despite the fact ExookiZ can't type - I agree strongly.
I had high hopes walking out of the POS panel (And the WH panel which became the POS panel.)
You seemed enthusiastic and understood our grievances, and seemed to also understand the importance of it as well. This is not something to take laying down. We know you want to move away from 'Jesus Features', but POS's simply need a complete and utter overhaul. They're inefficient and confusing at best in their current state - a reason to get the hell out of dodge at worst. |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Heavy Industries Sick N' Twisted
230
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:51:00 -
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I just don't have the time to read all of this thread, and I think if I tried I would be perpetually playing catch up.
But, maybe CCP are right about POS affecting a small portion of the community as they are.
With changes though, they could affect EVERYBODY! Put really basic easy to run structures in there that can be used as a base, simlar to a landing platform. Make it cheap and semi disposable. But make that same platofrm upgradable, with isk, minerals or other resources so that it could one day develop into a mighty station!
We really want this CCP. We really NEED THIS! MODULAR DRONES
MORE ORE SHIPS |
Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
39
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:28:00 -
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Just posting to support OP. Total revamp or step-by-step improvement, but do it please, CCP. |
Wiu Ming
Dead Guy Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
30
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Posted - 2013.01.20 09:38:00 -
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Sinzor Aumer wrote:Just posting to support OP. Total revamp or step-by-step improvement, but do it please, CCP.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
^that |
Ciara Talari
Orbital Dominance Malefic Aspects
10
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:07:00 -
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And as usual, a very limited response by CCP. |
Meskiaggaseir
Anunnaku Industrial Corp.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:13:00 -
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Pos are fine , make plenty of isk with them , leave them alone |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
555
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:25:00 -
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Meskiaggaseir wrote:Pos are fine , make plenty of isk with them , leave them alone
Says the guy in the 3-char, 1-man corp.
Where's the dislike button anyway? |
Danny Centauri
Huzzah Industries
64
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Posted - 2013.01.20 11:58:00 -
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Really strongly support this, wrote an article on it infact for EN24 here.
I have a few quick win suggestions to at least make it not fail as much without huge art time requirements: 1 - POS manufacturing should never require more materials than building in stations, I'm looking at you T2 ship assembly arrays. 2 - Reward should scale with risk I'd like to see different bonus's for taking greater risk, i.e. faster build time in lowsec over highsec. 3 - Players should be encouraged to put shiney stuff in POS's for greater rewards. Your 2bil BPO in your POS, cool it copies twice as fast now. This shiney stuff should also show on POS KMs and have a potential to drop! 4 - Highsec large POS (and C1/C2 WH) should not be invulnerable to anyone other than a massive blob. We need some form of ship with a siege module for HS. I'm thinking a micro-Dreadnought with about 1/2 the DPS of a dread and no jump drive this adds something new to build and destroy in game making it super epic cool and adds risk to industry even in HS.
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Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
229
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Posted - 2013.01.20 12:06:00 -
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I don't own a pos ATM but I would if they were changed.
Also Hans has a blog? EVE Mail me i dont check forums often. |
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