No! No! Look at how THESE sheep entrails are arranged!! What does HTFU mean, I must confess I'm a closet nerd and deal with regular people on a daily basis.

CSM's, none of whom represent hi-sec, are not in sync with CCP's goal to make money.

Do I say "Story at 11" or "Try and figure out which way this goes"?

CSM's, none of whom represent hi-sec, are not in sync with CCP's goal to make money.

Do I say "Story at 11" or "Try and figure out which way this goes"?

No offense but you might need an intervention.

See this is what I am trying to tell you.

Just because you rally around a banner on the forums, its just as effective as the CSMs trying to dictate policy to CCP.

I personally have no problem with ganking and griefing. I don't care really. I've been known to eye a miner's can on occasion.

But I'm trying to tell you the reality of the situation is that CCP wants to make more money than they are making now. It's what businesses do.

You can post all you want but it won't change the fact CCP wants to make money and that means more subscriptions.

Even if means lowering the bar.

If CCP wants to prove me wrong they can post in this thread that they support the player's right to gank and grief and this argument will be over.

Secondly, the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).

Unless you are making a bad trade do you have two winners. One wins ISKs, the other wins items, and both are happy.

But what is your point? If you are saying that someone sitting inside a theme park and someone else sitting outside are both free from winning and losing then you are wrong. I see Jita itself being already some kind of a "finance theme park" of its own and with players playing God in it.

EVE is full of meta-gaming and people will exploit a high-sec theme park one way or the other. It is already being done when high-end minerals out of 0.0 are being sold at Jita and with low-end minerals disappearing into 0.0. You only won't see PvP with spaceships within it, but everything else will still be there and happening.

I see no problem for anyone who can play EVE now to adapt to a future EVE with a possible theme park in it.

they will do whatever is good for bussines

if you dont like it,give me your stuff and unsubscribe

Well the point is that we are trying to make is that it is quite possible that when you are unexpectently ganked or griefed you might decide to quit the game.

People who want to play more of a game that punishes them out of the blue at random (like on of those rat mazes with random electric shocks) is in fact a MASOCHIST.

The majority of people who play these games are not MASOCHISTS. There are probaly more SADISTS who like to grief/gank than people who enjoy pain and sufering.

People eventually get fed up with being on the poop end of the stick. This is truly human nature. You will not simply proceed to endure the suffering that people want to inflict on them.

I mean these people want to gank every thing that moves and if they could then those people would get tired of it. Even if they fit out tanks, sometimes they still get ganked with superior numbers. Again the majority of people are not MASOCHISTS and will not tolerate the abuse that the griefers/gankers want to inflict on them.

Look I'm not arguing that griefing/ganking should be removed, I'm arguing that in truth it affects CCP's bottom line and will be addressd accordingly whether we like it or not.

Look at VV using themepark properly.

I tried to tell you guys I am old but more hard core than you believe.

Lol if it was for me hi sec would not even exist. End of the problem.

Lol if it was for me hi sec would not even exist. End of the problem.

I remember the good old days were sandbox was a mode or a mod you could get from your friend (sometiems even order directly from the game maker!) to turn all the levels and objectives off in an RPG.

So what?

As long as something stays inside the theme park is it of no consequence for the rest of EVE. And once it leaves the theme park can it be shot. There is no problem unless you have made yourself depend upon Jita for your low- and null-sec needs. If so then there is still a bit of a carebear in you who needs to be killed.

EDIT: I did however pick up alot of new targets in thread for future wars so that is also a good thing.

As long as something stays inside the theme park is it of no consequence for the rest of EVE.

That's your second Ad hominem. Don't knock Minecraft either, that's a good game.

Well the point is that we are trying to make is that it is quite possible that when you are unexpectently ganked or griefed you might decide to quit the game.

People who want to play more of a game that punishes them out of the blue at random (like on of those rat mazes with random electric shocks) is in fact a MASOCHIST.

Frankly, the reputation that Eve has for being such a harsh and unforgiving game is undeserved. I logged seven "deaths" in 151 days. Two of them were the tutorial "suicide" missions. That's typical for about 10 minutes in a WoW Battleground, a bad night for a raid group, or about the time I start thinking of dropping a random dungeon group.

Champions Online even gave one of my characters an achievement and a title for logging a few dozen deaths in one night. Limbo makes gruesome trial and error into electronic art.

The fact is that in just about every other "themepark" game out there, your character will die. Your character will die to mechanics that require much faster reflexes than are usual for Eve. Video games as a genre are notorious for demanding repeated and frequent character death until you master the twitch or theorycraft your way through the mechanics of the fights. Character death is, in fact, the primary way that many video games teach their mechanics. "One foot out of position? YOU ARE DEAD!" (It's all fun and games until you die, then, you're in the next chapter of a Bioware game.) Games and modes involving permadeath that demand nearly perfect runs are called "hardcore."

And this is one of the largest and fastest growing entertainment industries out there. So the notion that people are put off of a video game by character death is really weird to me.

I also disagree that ganks are RANDOM. The strategies for hunting down ships or laying traps are fairly well documented, as are the strategies for minimizing the risks of being hunted. Whether I should treat highsec the same way I treat lowsec is primarily a matter of risk assessment and sanity.

Interesting.

Isn't one of the guys that advocated the removal of high sec wardecs affiliated with EVE uni?


There's a huge difference between making more money, and alienating your current playerbase in an effort to make more money. The former is fine, the later can cause irreparable damage to your company.

Even Smedly has gone on record saying that more subscribers wasn't wroth the damage the NGE they forced on SWG caused to SoE's reputation.

I come from 1994's glorious RetroMUD, still running. And vaster and richer and deeper than ANY MMO.

When I think one could take a group only quest that had unavoidable RL time base triggers and would take 3+ RL years to complete with the best team and players possible.

When I think you would lose all your character progress made in YEARS by dying more than 3 times in one day (with hefty SP loss each time).

When I think you could easily take maladies that could make you permanently lose stats with no recover unless you promptly found the *1* player (usually playing 1 hour a week) who rolled the right class able to cure the kind you got.

When I think you'd lose all your years taken gear in case you wiped and would not have spare gear to return killing the whole dungeoun again to reclaim it from the mobs (who picked all up)...

When I think I was champion of 2 profession and staying champion meant playing more and better than anyone else of that profession... for continued months.




... then when I read "EvE is hard" it makes me laugh so hard, my lungs explode.

Frankly, the reputation that Eve has for being such a harsh and unforgiving game is undeserved. I logged seven "deaths" in 151 days. Two of them were the tutorial "suicide" missions. That's typical for about 10 minutes in a WoW Battleground, a bad night for a raid group, or about the time I start thinking of dropping a random dungeon group.

Champions Online even gave one of my characters an achievement and a title for logging a few dozen deaths in one night. Limbo makes gruesome trial and error into electronic art.

The fact is that in just about every other "themepark" game out there, your character will die. Your character will die to mechanics that require much faster reflexes than are usual for Eve. Video games as a genre are notorious for demanding repeated and frequent character death until you master the twitch or theorycraft your way through the mechanics of the fights. Character death is, in fact, the primary way that many video games teach their mechanics. "One foot out of position? YOU ARE DEAD!" (It's all fun and games until you die, then, you're in the next chapter of a Bioware game.) Games and modes involving permadeath that demand nearly perfect runs are called "hardcore."

And this is one of the largest and fastest growing entertainment industries out there. So the notion that people are put off of a video game by character death is really weird to me.

I also disagree that ganks are RANDOM. The strategies for hunting down ships or laying traps are fairly well documented, as are the strategies for minimizing the risks of being hunted. Whether I should treat highsec the same way I treat lowsec is primarily a matter of risk assessment and sanity.

I think you missing the Point... With a completely Safe highsec.

Why go anywhere else where you can be killed and loose your things? Think about the markets man...

Frankly, the reputation that Eve has for being such a harsh and unforgiving game is undeserved. I logged seven "deaths" in 151 days. Two of them were the tutorial "suicide" missions. That's typical for about 10 minutes in a WoW Battleground, a bad night for a raid group, or about the time I start thinking of dropping a random dungeon group.