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Imbrogli0
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:18:00 -
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Is thier such corps? I have seen a few posts asking for moon scan results, would this be a lucrative side business?
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:51:00 -
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I am currently looking for such a service myself...paying pretty well I think. Let me know... :P ------------------------------------------------ Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected] |
Insomniac
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:26:00 -
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Would be interested also.
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Exus
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:21:00 -
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ill be interested too, contact me IG in a few weeks if you want some work. thx |
James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:55:00 -
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The problem is, anyone doing survey work would also, presumably, be interested in placing their own POS.
(I've been doing some for that reason).
However, it does look like there's a demand, so shall we start on the supply?
However, I'll look into preparing a costing, based on time, materials and risk.
It'll probably be a little pricey though, especially if you're talking about 0.0.
I'm thinking in terms of 20mil per system, + 250k/moon in Empire, and 40mil/system + 500k/moon in 0.0. (the latter being subject to negotiation dependant on alliance claim, and general accessibility).
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Ehrine Ashbark
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:37:00 -
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Hmm, I certainly can afford to spare the time when I'm on late shift doing this sort of thing. While I enjoy flying missions with the rest of my corp, when I'm on the wrong shift I'm often the only person on. This gives me something more interesting to do then trade and/or mine.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.06.28 15:41:00 -
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more interesting? you are in for a surprise :)
To me, the danger is a surveying corp keeping ultrarare results secret, and reselling them for hundreds of millions each, while reporting to you an empty moon, or basic materials. ----- Looking for contracts in: Sulfuric Acid Neo Mercurite Technetium Evemail me please, thanks! |
Ehrine Ashbark
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Posted - 2005.06.28 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef more interesting? you are in for a surprise :)
To me, the danger is a surveying corp keeping ultrarare results secret, and reselling them for hundreds of millions each, while reporting to you an empty moon, or basic materials.
Ice mining in 0.9 and doing trade runs has little or no risk involved. At least with surveying I have to run the occasional pie-rat gatecamp
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StokolaN
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Posted - 2005.06.29 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus The problem is, anyone doing survey work would also, presumably, be interested in placing their own POS.
I knew a guy who made most of his money selling scan results and I think for the best moons he was getting about 300 mil. I don't know him anymore as he isn't in my addressbook and I don't remember the name, but what I am getting at is two things. One, this can be a worthwhile business venture, and two, I think you could find some people who are already doing this and who could provide scans for you if you looked hard enough. _
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.06.29 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef more interesting? you are in for a surprise :)
To me, the danger is a surveying corp keeping ultrarare results secret, and reselling them for hundreds of millions each, while reporting to you an empty moon, or basic materials.
Dodging pirates and gankers in an indy is excellent fun though :). Specially when you've a 15 BS gate camp swearing at you for dodging past them :).
To address the other point, if a flat rate is assumed, I can't see a way to avoid that scenario.
So how would: 300k/moon scanned, and a 'finders fee' of the moon rarity in millions. (assuming it's not already got a POS around it).
e.g. a caesium moon'd be worth 64 mil, and a promethium moon, 256 mil.
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Jack Da
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress D'Malice I am currently looking for such a service myself...paying pretty well I think. Let me know... :P
Well what equip would be needed for this as I just looked int he item database and could not find a place of hardware to do this I am asking out interest in doing it.
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Jack Da
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Da
Originally by: Mistress D'Malice I am currently looking for such a service myself...paying pretty well I think. Let me know... :P
Well what equip would be needed for this as I just looked int he item database and could not find a place of hardware to do this I am asking out interest in doing it.
Sorry My spelling is bad today to much cola. :p This is my Alt
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:24:00 -
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If I was to buy moon scanning service, then it would be reasonable to do either: x ISK/moon [If you trust the scanner] (or) Buy moons based on minerals found.
While there may be a valid argument to say that paying a bonus for certain minerals found will keep the scanner honest, there is nothing to stop the scanner simply selling the rare moons at top market price to another playe - So trust has to be established anyway.
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Gangsta Boo
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:20:00 -
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I'm currently working on a big project with my corp's POS that will probably carry into next week. After that I'm thinking about offering some moon scanning services. In the mean time I'll be thinking of a fair amount of money to charge and ways to protect the buyer as well as myself from scams. Stay tuned....
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Thanit
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:41:00 -
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I think most of the 0.0 systems reasonably close to stations and most low sec empire systems have already been scanned.
If there's very good moons to be found there it's the ones with pos on it, or with cans on them.
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Ehrine Ashbark
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Posted - 2005.06.29 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
While there may be a valid argument to say that paying a bonus for certain minerals found will keep the scanner honest, there is nothing to stop the scanner simply selling the rare moons at top market price to another playe - So trust has to be established anyway.
The problem there is if I turn round and go "You owe me <blah> coz I found <rare mineral>", they might go, "OOoo, <rare mineral>, thanks for telling us, we'll work out what moon it is ourselves" and refuse to pay up. Now, if the results are kept secret until payment is received, that won't happen, but then there is no way to get a payout of rare finds.
It's an annoying catch 21 situation.
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WHeisenberg
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: WHeisenberg on 30/06/2005 03:11:37 Edited by: WHeisenberg on 30/06/2005 03:10:41 I've got a simple response to any moon scanners out there who offer their services.
Find me a Promethium moon, or a Dysprosium moon, in a region that I specify to you (that doesn't already have a POS on it) and I will do two things.
1. Upon the placement of my POS at the moon, you get a predetermined isk payout (this keeps the scanning service from selling the same moon location to a dozen different corps)
2. I will pay you 10% of the current market value of the material being harvested from the moon... every week.. for as long as the POS remains at that moon.
"I'll pay you 300 mil for the location of a Promethium moon" may sound like a deal to some scanners.. but how about "300 mil up front, and (based on current market prices) 17.5 million a week"?
Dont trust me to pay you? Think I'm gonna rip you off? Then dont deal with me. Check my corp. Check my history. Ask around and see if anyone has dealt with me before.
(This goes for anyone offering payment for moon locations)
If your investigation turns up positive results about me, then it's up to you to decide whether to trust me or not. If you do, and you provide me with the moon I want, you make isk for as long as I do.
At least.. that's how I do it :)
WHeisenberg
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randy andy
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:10:00 -
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Rigth I have a scanner just need to train stills for a few days and get a scan probe launcher and I be away..
any where selling the launcher ..
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Ehrine Ashbark
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Posted - 2005.06.30 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: WHeisenberg Edited by: WHeisenberg on 30/06/2005 03:13:55 Edited by: WHeisenberg on 30/06/2005 03:10:41 I've got a simple response to any moon scanners out there who offer their services.
Find me a Promethium moon, or a Dysprosium moon, in a region that I specify to you (that doesn't already have a POS on it) and I will do two things.
1. Upon the placement of my POS at the moon, you get a predetermined isk payout (this keeps the scanning service from selling the same moon location to a dozen different corps)
2. I will pay you 10% of the current market value of the material being harvested from the moon... every week.. for as long as the POS remains at that moon.
Now, that's a good way of guarenteeing the scanner won't rip you off, and if you have the rep you claim you do (and please don't think I'm insulting you here), then it's a very good deal for the scanner.
I might just have to take you up on this offer. I know that my own corp could do with Promethium, and if someone else is willing to do the work to get it for us, so much the better :)
I'll have a chat with the rest of Lyrus Associates later and see if we can come to a deal with you (we do have a fair chunk of the corp able to scan moons).
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.06.30 13:17:00 -
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If I remember correctly, ManicMiner contacted me a couple of months ago and he said he had some moon scans for sale. Don't remember the details, don't know if he still has some for sale.
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Gangsta Boo
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Posted - 2005.06.30 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ehrine Ashbark
The problem there is if I turn round and go "You owe me <blah> coz I found <rare mineral>", they might go, "OOoo, <rare mineral>, thanks for telling us, we'll work out what moon it is ourselves" and refuse to pay up. Now, if the results are kept secret until payment is received, that won't happen, but then there is no way to get a payout of rare finds.
It's an annoying catch 21 situation.
It's going to be a trust run business. If I get ripped off because someone didn't pay me a bonus for finding prom (assuming I charge a bonus) then oh well. I got ripped off once. I'll no longer do business with that person or his corporation. On the other side of things if I rip somebody off even once my business will be ruined. Word will spread quickly that I am a scam. It's in the best interest of both parties to be honest in the long run.
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Mistress D'Malice
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Posted - 2005.06.30 15:30:00 -
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I am always looking for peeople to scan some systems. And I am also willing to work with the scanner for a fair price.
Overall, there has to be trust but mostly people seem to be honest about this sort of thing. ------------------------------------------------ Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected] |
randy andy
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Posted - 2005.06.30 19:23:00 -
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Ok I am still looking for a launcher
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Gangsta Boo
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Posted - 2005.06.30 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: randy andy Ok I am still looking for a launcher
I believe launchers are NPC vended items. You should be able to find lots of them in any empire region at a very affordable price. Just check the market.
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randy andy
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Posted - 2005.06.30 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: randy andy on 30/06/2005 23:28:05 Cheers
Found loads used the search opion in the market menu still dont know what submenu it comes under and I dont care to much..
training will finish about sat 1pm eve time
Thanks
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randy andy
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Posted - 2005.07.01 08:26:00 -
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I am looking at prices to ask for
Opion 1:- scan a name moon 1,000 per jump to that loc and 100,000 for the scan customer can pay a bonus on the better moons (down to customer)
opion 2:- scan a solarsystem same as above but no results untill the system is scanned
opion 3:- if asked to find a moon with a make-up then we need to talk in game about the price
opion 4:- customer can make a offer I will think about it and talk to them (depends on jumps and loc. also my safety in the area..
This is just a Idea at the moment..
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.07.01 15:22:00 -
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Actually, what's considered fair value for a moon location?
Now, promethium and dysprosium are pretty much 'whatever you can get' but if I were to say I had found (to take a recent example) a caesium moon, within 5 jumps of empire space, would you be prepared to pay for that result?
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