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Corey Fumimasa The Advent of Faith 4	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:46:00 - [1] - Quote IGÇÖve talked with a few carebears over the years and I have come to believe that they canGÇÖt PvP. Not because they donGÇÖt want to kill the griefers and gankers, but because they physically canGÇÖt do it. They freeze up at the keyboard when they get attacked. Maybe if they were eased into it and trained they could get over that reflex, but it would take months or years to do. It might be easier to give them a mechanic that they could prepare before combat, perhaps a castle building exercise of sorts. Let them hire NPC mercs in different types of ships and build a little npc fleet that they could preset some options for. So when they get attacked and freeze up the NPCGÇÖs will jump in and rep them and jam the attackers, giving the carebear a chance to warp out or perhaps even collect themselves enough to target the aggressor and actually shoot back. Or maybe much longer locktimes across the board; the PvP community would adjust and it might allow the carebears time to react in a meaningful way. Or maybe just longer locktimes in highsec! Oh thatGÇÖs a great idea, it would push some PvPers into low and null, reduce suicide ganking, and maybe give care-bears a chance to do something besides stare dumbly at the screen and pray for CONCORD to show up. Whatever the solution I think it needs to look at why some people donGÇÖt PvP. I don't mind being wrong here, just a thought I had that I can't seem to shake. Any feedback is appreciated.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 6705	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 341	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:49:00 - [3] - Quote i have no interest in pvp (fighting pvp,market pvp is what im looking for) in eve yet i have more than 10 000 frags in wot over 4 months am i carebear or not?
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 729	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve There should be a "balls have dropped" check upon paying for a subscription. Malcanis for CSM8
Corey Fumimasa The Advent of Faith 4	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:52:00 - [5] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: i have no interest in pvp (fighting pvp,market pvp is what im looking for) in eve yet i have more than 10 000 frags in wot over 4 months am i carebear or not? What the hell is "10 000 frags in wot"?
Tarn Kugisa Infinite Covenant Tribal Band 382	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:54:00 - [6] - Quote I don't do PvP often, even though I'm in nullsec, mainly because I either don't have the forsight to buy a few PvP ships, or I'm too poor when it happens to buy any. I Endorse this Product and/or Service EVE Online Battle Recorder When I press F1 I get ISK
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 341	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:55:00 - [7] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Randolph Rothstein wrote: i have no interest in pvp (fighting pvp,market pvp is what im looking for) in eve yet i have more than 10 000 frags in wot over 4 months am i carebear or not? What the hell is "10 000 frags in wot"? its like LOL with tanks LOL is like dota with bigger bewbs
Lyell Wolf Cosmology Deadly Unknown 18	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:58:00 - [8] - Quote From my perspective, I seriously dislike PvP. Not because I can't, mind you, but because I just hate the idea as a whole. This, of course, has led me to be less experienced than most of the PvPers out there. I don't have, as you call it, the training to perform as well as the others. Now, it wouldn't take years to gain a decent skill in PvP, but perhaps a couple months. As far as "Getting over that reflex", a week. From, A carebear
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 346	Posted - 2013.01.18 00:59:00 - [9] - Quote After the login screen, every activity you do in EvE is some form PvP competition. So carebears only stare at the login screen? If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 399	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:01:00 - [10] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve There should be a "balls have dropped" check upon paying for a subscription. How about an IQ test instead? This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Dheeradj Nurgle Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 196	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:01:00 - [11] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: i have no interest in pvp (fighting pvp,market pvp is what im looking for) in eve yet i have more than 10 000 frags in wot over 4 months am i carebear or not? Calling something a Frag outside of UT is just sad....
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 341	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:04:00 - [12] - Quote Dheeradj Nurgle wrote: Randolph Rothstein wrote: i have no interest in pvp (fighting pvp,market pvp is what im looking for) in eve yet i have more than 10 000 frags in wot over 4 months am i carebear or not? Calling something a Frag outside of UT is just sad.... i call all kills frags because of UT...thats what UT has done to meeeeeee i also call champions in LOL heroes - some people are really pssd off by vocabulary
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:07:00 - [13] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Some Rando wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve There should be a "balls have dropped" check upon paying for a subscription. How about an IQ test instead? If that were the case we unfortunately wouldn't be graced with your presence. Malcanis for CSM8
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 399	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:07:00 - [14] - Quote All 16 year olds should have to get their driver's license in New York City or Boston. Kids should learn how to ride a bike by enetering the Tour de France The first time you take a flight you should have to fly the plane. One week old characters in starter ships should have to PvP against 100M SP characters in Capitals. All good ideas that are sure recipes for success. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 399	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:09:00 - [15] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Some Rando wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve There should be a "balls have dropped" check upon paying for a subscription. How about an IQ test instead? If that were the case we unfortunately wouldn't be graced with your presence. I tossed a softball to see who would be the first lame-o to hit hit it. Congrats. You are the lowest common denominator. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Wacktopia Noir. Black Legion. 424	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:09:00 - [16] - Quote I've said it before, I'll say it again... - At the end of the tutorial, blowup the player's ship with some npc pirates - Tell them this happens in EVE ... - Show them how to replace it Dealing with loss, along with social skills, is the most important lesson in EVE. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:10:00 - [17] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: I tossed a softball to see who would be the first lame-o to hit hit it. Congrats. You are the lowest common denominator. Check out the puppetmaster right here, folks. Malcanis for CSM8
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1458	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:12:00 - [18] - Quote It's true, all of it. I was horribly traumatized by my first gank, now whenever someone targets me my mind just freezes up and i can only think "IT'S ALL HAPPENING AGAIN!". I run away from the keyboard and start rocking back and forth in the corner, only returning to the computer screen hours later when i gather the courage. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams
Merouk Baas 436	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:14:00 - [19] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: I've said it before, I'll say it again... - At the end of the tutorial, blowup the player's ship with some npc pirates - Tell them this happens in EVE ... - Show them how to replace it Dealing with loss, along with social skills, is the most important lesson in EVE. They do this already. They revamped the tutorials.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 1605	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:18:00 - [20] - Quote I think CCP should fly around and randomly gank people who have never been killed, just to show them that this game is made for PvPers for PvP purposes. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Clementina The Scope 73	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:25:00 - [21] - Quote I'm going to let the carebears here in on a little secret. PvPers get afraid during combat too. The pain of loss, The humiliation of possibly being chastised for a shitfit, the fear of defeat in battle, and the ennui of just being able to witness your warped, webbed and scrambled ship circle the drain is something that happens to PvPers as well as carebears. The difference is not the lack of fear, but rather the presence of courage and situational awareness. The loss of your ship is a momentary trouble and something that you can bounce back from. Some tips. If you are AFK you are easier to gank (I'll autopilot to places AFK so I'm not saying don't do it, it just elevates the risk) PvP that sneaks up on you and grabs you by the balls is scarier than PvP that you can see from miles off, so watch local and watch your immediate environment. Low sec and 0.0 contain ganking, High-sec too albeit less of it. 60 seconds is not a short period of time. take deep breaths, remember that you have to act, but you don't have to be perfect.
Corey Fumimasa The Advent of Faith 4	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:25:00 - [22] - Quote Some Rando wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Or they can wait for their balls to descend fully before playing Eve There should be a "balls have dropped" check upon paying for a subscription. I work in a dangerous environment, people that get thrown in when their balls drop generally don't last. I think if players who don't currently participate in PvP had some more options for doing so then they might get to enjoying it, or at least be a greater part of player created content. As it stands now they dock up and wait. That's just a waste of game time for everyone. Its kind of funny listening to some of the posts here it sounds like some people are scared to give the bears combat options.
Wacktopia Noir. Black Legion. 425	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:25:00 - [23] - Quote Merouk Baas wrote: Wacktopia wrote: I've said it before, I'll say it again... - At the end of the tutorial, blowup the player's ship with some npc pirates - Tell them this happens in EVE ... - Show them how to replace it Dealing with loss, along with social skills, is the most important lesson in EVE. They do this already. They revamped the tutorials. Ha - great. Thanks for pointing it out. Glad they put something like this in. :) The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:33:00 - [24] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Its kind of funny listening to some of the posts here it sounds like some people are scared to give the bears combat options. There's a dueling option on the way. You can jump into low-sec to "get your feet wet". Pick up a suspect flag and see who bites (not recommended in hubs). Wardec someone. Find the nearest wormhole and camp it on the inside, or see who lives there and get into a fight. Save up some space-cash and do some RvB. There are tons of PvP options out there. People who don't take them don't because they're afraid. Of what, i couldn't tell you. Malcanis for CSM8
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 690	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:36:00 - [25] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: IGÇÖve talked with a few carebears over the years and I have come to believe that they canGÇÖt PvP. Not because they donGÇÖt want to kill the griefers and gankers, but because they physically canGÇÖt do it. They freeze up at the keyboard when they get attacked. This experience is often referred to as "the shakes" in EVE and is just your regular high adrenaline fight-or-flight response which is not very well suited to computer games (evolution didn't select for the ability to calmly sit in a chair keeping track of half a dozen different mini-tasks while watching transversal and module heat closely when in a life-threatening situation). Most players seem to start being able to function in pvp after the first dozen losses or so (pvp becomes less and less exciting and as they lose their fear they learn to enjoy the rush) - it's by no means something that takes months or years to get over. (Yes, even with considerable pvp experience you will still sometimes realize after a fight that you had been tunnel-visioning on some aspects of the fight and were lacking in mental flexibility- but at that point you are talking about how to live up to 100% of your potential under pressure, not about avoiding complete paralysis.) A few players report that any kind of adrenaline rush is extremely unpleasant for them - these are probably just ill-suited for pvp and there is little point in trying to convince them otherwise. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam 539	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:37:00 - [26] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: All 16 year olds should have to get their driver's license in New York City or Boston. New Dehli would be better. They are insane there
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 249	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:40:00 - [27] - Quote Bane Necran wrote: It's true, all of it. I was horribly traumatized by my first gank, now whenever someone targets me my mind just freezes up and i can only think "IT'S ALL HAPPENING AGAIN!". I run away from the keyboard and start rocking back and forth in the corner, only returning to the computer screen hours later when i gather the courage. Thank you for that i lold good. I to when i see tough video game manly mans and wannabes i just freeze from fear but lucky for me CCP know that and set auto target back to some number in atempt to push my carebare F1 skill to work...sometimes i fire back but mostly just die. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom" http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
Corey Fumimasa The Advent of Faith 4	Posted - 2013.01.18 01:45:00 - [28] - Quote Clementina wrote: I'm going to let the carebears here in on a little secret. PvPers get afraid during combat too. The pain of loss, The humiliation of possibly being chastised for a shitfit, the fear of defeat in battle, and the ennui of just being able to witness your warped, webbed and scrambled ship circle the drain is something that happens to PvPers as well as carebears. A game that elicits the kind of physical reaction that I have felt in Eve is a very rare thing. It is perhaps CCP's greatest achievement, and perhaps one of the most important dynamics ever developed re computer simulations. This feeling must be respected and encouraged and fostered by the player base. Perhaps I'm wrong about bears and their frozen fingers locked around the keyboard, good. What is obvious is that some people don't like it, even if they do like combat missions. Is there some mechanic that would be fun for those players that would allow them to engage in ship PvP? They like building things and planning skill tree's and ? How could those activities be applied to PvP?
Xinivrae GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 258	Posted - 2013.01.18 02:05:00 - [29] - Quote Well let me take the unpopular stance and just say it, because if it hasn't been said, it certainly will be. There is nothing in this world that could make these people engage in ship to ship combat. None, nada. Sure there are the inexperienced that might like it if they tried, but I don't believe your talking about them. Some people just have zero interest in it, and you know what, that's cool. There's actually quite a bit you can do out there that doesn't involve combat, and it's all just as gratifying. When I figured out and started running a little industry operation, it felt every bit as good as the time I had been in fleets that took down titans, capital fleets, and what not. That's the cool thing about eve to me, you can do whatever the heck you want to do, and still share this great experience with everybody. Now the people who want to play eve as a single player game however...
Bane Necran Appono Astos 1460	Posted - 2013.01.18 02:12:00 - [30] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: What is obvious is that some people don't like it, even if they do like combat missions. Is there some mechanic that would be fun for those players that would allow them to engage in ship PvP? They like building things and planning skill tree's and ? How could those activities be applied to PvP? How can we make you like mining? People just like different things. A lot of people, like myself, are here simply because they like cruising around in space, and attacking other players isn't very appealing to us. I'm somewhat different than your average 'carebear' because i don't shy away from risk, but i'm starting to think i've given enough killmails to the PvP community. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams

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