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Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:59:00 -
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Budget: 800m
What I need: A ship and fitting that can obliterate level 4 missions as quick as possible (by which I mean, clear every room) for the money given. I am not expecting to AFK anything, but try and avoid tissue-paper fits please.
I'm approaching 70m SP, almost everything in subcap, so assume I can fly it or I'm close to flying it.
I'm aware the Mach is the best ship out there for this job, but keep me in budget aye? This is mainly to give me something to do during corp downtime.
Thanks in advance,
Theo
Edit: I should also say that I'm running Sisters Level 4s in The Forge, so Mordus/Serps/Angels mainly. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
779
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:16:00 -
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CNR. /thread
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
326
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:18:00 -
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My first thought is a CNR. They are cheap right now (around 440ish?) and you will have room in your budget for some nice fittings on it.
Second thought is Tengu. Also in your budget, and it may be usefull for other things besides missions. Though it will not DPS missions as fast as a BS.
Mach cost is around 1.4 bil with no fittings Mare cost is 1.1ish
You could get aT1 Raven and not risk a lot, especially since you say this is just for slow times and not your main concerrn.
All these ships have really standard fittings, but ppl really need a ship decision first. |
Bedlin
Caldari Organizational Logistics Department
13
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:30:00 -
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I am going to both have to agree and disagree with my former associate Raven here, I say Tengu as well for missioning.
My Tengu can run a lvl 4 mission faster than any CNR, even after the missile nerf its versatility of target acquisition gives it an edge. I do not think its current build will fit within your price bracket however, but eventually as you get the chance to swap out parts for faction parts it will get to where it can really fly.
Beware the mighty Mach though it will still out do the Tengu eventually, the nightmare might as well (not enough personal experience but I think the EM Therm only thing is going to make it on average slower) but both of those are out of that 800 million starting price.
Good luck. |
Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:31:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:All these ships have really standard fittings, but ppl really need a ship decision first.
Aye that is my issue - I can at the very least work out a fit if I can't find one I like, but it's the ship choice that makes me think.
I'm assuming cruises over torps here.
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Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:33:00 -
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Bedlin wrote:I am going to both have to agree and disagree with my former associate Raven here, I say Tengu as well for missioning.
My Tengu can run a lvl 4 mission faster than any CNR, even after the missile nerf its versatility of target acquisition gives it an edge. I do not think its current build will fit within your price bracket however, but eventually as you get the chance to swap out parts for faction parts it will get to where it can really fly.
Beware the mighty Mach though it will still out do the Tengu eventually, the nightmare might as well (not enough personal experience but I think the EM Therm only thing is going to make it on average slower) but both of those are out of that 800 million starting price.
Good luck.
Mach is going to be my end goal, I simply needed to be realistic when balancing current income =) It's really something just to fill the gap until then.
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Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:27:00 -
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Theo Samaritan wrote:Bedlin wrote:I am going to both have to agree and disagree with my former associate Raven here, I say Tengu as well for missioning.
My Tengu can run a lvl 4 mission faster than any CNR, even after the missile nerf its versatility of target acquisition gives it an edge. I do not think its current build will fit within your price bracket however, but eventually as you get the chance to swap out parts for faction parts it will get to where it can really fly.
Beware the mighty Mach though it will still out do the Tengu eventually, the nightmare might as well (not enough personal experience but I think the EM Therm only thing is going to make it on average slower) but both of those are out of that 800 million starting price.
Good luck. Mach is going to be my end goal, I simply needed to be realistic when balancing current income =) It's really something just to fill the gap until then.
If a Mach is your end goal, get a Maelstrom. It does good damage projection at range, has a decent tank, and shares the same skills as a Mach.
It's also cheap to fit. |
Bedlin
Caldari Organizational Logistics Department
13
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:32:00 -
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Shaotuk wrote:
If a Mach is your end goal, get a Maelstrom. It does good damage projection at range, has a decent tank, and shares the same skills as a Mach.
It's also cheap to fit.
I support this --^ it won't be the fastest car off the line but getting to know your play style will be immensely helpful. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
161
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:35:00 -
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Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu. |
Cage Man
149
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:44:00 -
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Just about any BS or Tengu will do. Just depends on where your skills are at. Active tank Rattlesnake with 3 drone damage mods, 2 omni's and some drone links in the highs with T2 sentries also works very nicely and will probably come in cheaper than a properly fit Tengu. Domi's are nice but I prefer to omnitank as I am lazy :). maelstrom is also nice, only time I prefer a T1 BS to its T2 , although a fleet tempest is not strictly speaking the T2 of a maelstrom. In most cases BS is always going to complete missions faster than a Tengu, depends on the ratio of BS.
So I would go something in this order Rattlesnake > maelstrom > Domi( Navy is better) > Tengu > CNR Best is to jump on to the test server and see which ship you prefer. Drone boats need a little more attention than the others, but no need for ammo and the DPS they can now put out makes them pretty good. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1057
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:53:00 -
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Rattlesnake is always a good ship, though no where as fast as others. It can tank any mission easily, while with cruise and sentries, you do most of the damage before they get near you. You can omni-tank and field enough different drones/missiles to do missions against any opponent without refitting as well.
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Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:23:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu.
edit: Just saw that Mach is your goal. Suit yourself I guess.
Is a Domi comparable? Ultimately I'll be aiming for the best runner period.
Thanks everyone, by the way. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis R.E.P.O.
161
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:02:00 -
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Theo Samaritan wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu.
edit: Just saw that Mach is your goal. Suit yourself I guess. Is a Domi comparable? Ultimately I'll be aiming for the best runner period. Thanks everyone, by the way. Domi has a damage bonus to both hybrid weapons and drones. Its definitely comparable. |
Cage Man
149
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:03:00 -
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Theo Samaritan wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu.
edit: Just saw that Mach is your goal. Suit yourself I guess. Is a Domi comparable? Ultimately I'll be aiming for the best runner period. Thanks everyone, by the way.
I have flown domi's navy and T1, rattlesnake and all but the vindi, and I can say it doesn't compare, pure EFT maybe, but in game not. The rattlesnake can fit 4 x DDA without compromising tank.. domi needs the lows for its tank, I have seen shield fits, but you then loose some mids you would need for tracking\prop\etc mods. In the end its what you prefer tbh..
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:10:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Theo Samaritan wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu.
edit: Just saw that Mach is your goal. Suit yourself I guess. Is a Domi comparable? Ultimately I'll be aiming for the best runner period. Thanks everyone, by the way. I have flown domi's navy and T1, rattlesnake and all but the vindi, and I can say it doesn't compare, pure EFT maybe, but in game not. The rattlesnake can fit 4 x DDA without compromising tank.. domi needs the lows for its tank, I have seen shield fits, but you then loose some mids you would need for tracking\prop\etc mods. In the end its what you prefer tbh..
Might give this a go then. MJD sniping you think? |
Nashuar Attor
Atomic Production Moose Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:17:00 -
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Shaotuk wrote: If a Mach is your end goal, get a Maelstrom. It does good damage projection at range, has a decent tank, and shares the same skills as a Mach.
It's also cheap to fit.
What this man said. The mael is a great mission ship. I used one for ages then moved to the Mach. Was like moving into a bigger faster Maelstrom. |
Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 22:24:00 -
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Nashuar Attor wrote:Shaotuk wrote: If a Mach is your end goal, get a Maelstrom. It does good damage projection at range, has a decent tank, and shares the same skills as a Mach.
It's also cheap to fit.
What this man said. The mael is a great mission ship. I used one for ages then moved to the Mach. Was like moving into a bigger faster Maelstrom.
Alright then.. May I ask for a fitting suggestion please? |
Cage Man
149
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:34:00 -
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Theo Samaritan wrote:Cage Man wrote:Theo Samaritan wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Navy Domi since you're talking about a budget. DPS and projection is comparable to pirate battleships. Sentries because sentries. Cheaper than a Tengu.
edit: Just saw that Mach is your goal. Suit yourself I guess. Is a Domi comparable? Ultimately I'll be aiming for the best runner period. Thanks everyone, by the way. I have flown domi's navy and T1, rattlesnake and all but the vindi, and I can say it doesn't compare, pure EFT maybe, but in game not. The rattlesnake can fit 4 x DDA without compromising tank.. domi needs the lows for its tank, I have seen shield fits, but you then loose some mids you would need for tracking\prop\etc mods. In the end its what you prefer tbh.. Might give this a go then. MJD sniping you think?
I don't, means you need to pay more attention, and I am a lazy mission runner Just use sentry's till they get to close then switch to lights for the small stuff. Suggets you grab everyones thoughts and jump on the test server.
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.21 23:57:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:I don't, means you need to pay more attention, and I am a lazy mission runner Just use sentry's till they get to close then switch to lights for the small stuff. Suggets you grab everyones thoughts and jump on the test server.
Alright. Thankyou! =) |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
80
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Posted - 2013.01.22 07:28:00 -
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Corax.
Just do it. Just to see if you can. It's fun. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
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Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
191
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Posted - 2013.01.22 09:47:00 -
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I'd go Navy megathron. It will eat the serps and Guristas in the forge and switch out to blasters for the Angel missions.
Cheap as chips at the moment allowing for a slightly pimped fit to make it shine. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
142
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Posted - 2013.01.22 09:53:00 -
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Bedlin wrote:My Tengu can run a lvl 4 mission faster than any CNR
I'll take that challenge. There's no way in hell a Tengu can possibly match a CNR in missions that have lots of battleships far out and a tendency to have heavy kinetic resists (example: Pirate Invasion, Sansha, either full clear or blitz). What Tengu is better at is the tank and speed, meaning it can blitz more missions than a CNR by popping triggers and avoiding damage that would spell trouble for the battleship or travel from gate to gate while the CNR would be a lumbering beast, taking its half an hour to get there.
Theo Samaritan wrote:Mach is going to be my end goal, I simply needed to be realistic when balancing current income =) It's really something just to fill the gap until then.
You want something that flies similarly, both to use the skills you need for Mach and to get used to the flying. Many here suggested Maelstrom, but I'll say Navy Tempest. It's not as strong as the Mael, so missions will go slower, but it behaves a lot more like a mini Mach with its focus on speed (plus with your skill poll, you should have the skills to fit it properly). If you want to burn through missions, there's plenty of navy ships that work great (Apocalypse, CNR, Domi, for instance) and if you want to blitz them, a Tengu tends to work great. |
Theo Samaritan
Black Rain Cartel
18
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Posted - 2013.01.22 13:32:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:You want something that flies similarly, both to use the skills you need for Mach and to get used to the flying. Many here suggested Maelstrom, but I'll say Navy Tempest. It's not as strong as the Mael, so missions will go slower, but it behaves a lot more like a mini Mach with its focus on speed (plus with your skill poll, you should have the skills to fit it properly). If you want to burn through missions, there's plenty of navy ships that work great (Apocalypse, CNR, Domi, for instance) and if you want to blitz them, a Tengu tends to work great.
Hm I'll give that a look'in then. I'm on the test server now so I'll find a build that fits. Would you suggest arties or autocannons? |
Bedlin
Caldari Organizational Logistics Department
13
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:53:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote: I'll take that challenge. There's no way in hell a Tengu can possibly match a CNR in missions that have lots of battleships far out and a tendency to have heavy kinetic resists (example: Pirate Invasion, Sansha, either full clear or blitz). What Tengu is better at is the tank and speed, meaning it can blitz more missions than a CNR by popping triggers and avoiding damage that would spell trouble for the battleship or travel from gate to gate while the CNR would be a lumbering beast, taking its half an hour to get there.
I think you made my point.
I was speaking on average, I have no doubt that there may be some missions where a CNR would have an advantage (wouldn't be a heck of a big one) but if we both took 20 missions and we were racing to see who got done with them first...
Good luck Theo and as I said earlier if your going for the Mach start playing in something that flies like it and when you get there you will feel tough and fly it better. |
XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
47
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:19:00 -
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Tengu, Maelstrom or CNR. Tengu doesnt have to be expensive. HMLs, t2AB, dread large booster, t2 shield boost amp, DC, BCSs, and CCC rigs works and can perma tank any mission easily. Costs less than 900m. |
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
27
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Posted - 2013.01.23 04:44:00 -
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macherial because every other ship is useless in pve now.
budget 800m? then your **** out of luck and are better off mining |
Boudacca Sangrere
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.01.23 06:57:00 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:macherial because every other ship is useless in pve now.
budget 800m? then your **** out of luck and are better off mining
I feel a great disturbance in the force (along with much wailing and teeth gnashing) when CCP will rebalance the Mach to hell...
B.
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