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Cave Lord
Workers' Compensation Sukyoko-Moussa Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.11.03 05:29:00 -
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Catheryn Martobi wrote:Someone brought up in GD that if the WH systems get the same nebulae as k-space we may be able to determine a rough location based on the direction we are seeing it from and the size of the nebula in question. If we cannot see any familiar nebula then it would pretty much put the matter to rest.
This was what I meant earlier :P I should have elaborated and explained what I meant without making everyone watch the whole video, so thanks for clarifying :)
Also, some very good points were raised here. One of which I wanted to point out with my own view: We should use in-game tools and items to try to piece this mystery together. Oog stuff is good too, but Oog stuff shouldn't be used to solve an issue when in-game evidence or limitations can go either way. We don't want to "fill the gaps" with "frog dna" (Jurassic park). But we do want to push the envelope. This is why I think the nebulae thing will be very exciting. We've been trying to figure out some kind of map/pattern for these WH systems for a while now, and here CCP comes along and says "We can give you an in-game mechanic to help". Arguably, this isn't just for us WH folks, but it is still pretty cool.
This is why I love CCP. For their in-game, EVE-enriching content and atmosphere. (Also why I believe the Nex store is horrid- but I won't get into that)
Jowen Datloran: Thanks for running the correlation analysis. I was wondering if you could clarify what you meant by "no significant correlation with either region, constellation, solar system, class, x- y- z-coordinates, radius or sun type". Was that an analysis on a per-system level? or the entire K/W-space clusters? Example 1: Nothing is related to anything within the analyzed system itself. Example 2: Nothing is related to ANYTHING in game (that we can see), things such as the EVE gate, Jove space, etc.. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 10:32:00 -
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Correlation is a rather simple way to test if there are similarities in trend between data sets, such as; if one increase does the other increase too or does it decrease. The analysis I did simply check if any of the other factors increase/decrease when the value of the locus signature does. If the value of the locus signature somehow were derived from one of the factors (such as certain sun types would give a higher locus signature) there would have been significant correlation between these.
As example, all the solar system, constellation and region ids correlate significant and strong with each other due to the obvious fact that these ids are grouped with each other.
I only tested w-space systems as they are the only ones with a locus signature.
The only interesting finding of the correlation analysis is the relation between sun types and system radius; apparently the size of a system is related to the type of sun within it.
Maybe the locus signature is related to other factors, it name hints it is, but we have yet to discover what those factors are. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.03 12:24:00 -
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When I suggest RP I still expect to run through the scientific process, not just for example, say "I find Jita, Rens, Amarr and Dodixie from my wormhole using a telescope and calculate the WH systems position". Instead I mean something similar to what Cave did but leave the final conclusion (or better raw data) to a GM event actor to deliver. The primary reason being we cannot be sure where the results are governed by pragmatism of the developers vs, intended lore.
Regarding correlation I mostly agree, but I did find a very slight correlation between the X position and wormhole class. This is partially to be expected we 'know' the higher class systems are further out. However the big issue is still the XYZ-position most of the rest of the data dump are OOC and dependent on that same pragmatism-intentional dichotomy.
Here is the data in Google Spreadsheets.
Locus Signatures
wormholeMapData (I've added a few working columns, the 'reduced' sheet excludes the three anomalous Locus Signatures).
J01226-0 J01259+0 J01340+6 |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:31:00 -
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Yes, I found that correlation too (I mention it in my edit) as well as a correlation between class and the z-coordinate.
Though, as you, I too regard those coordinate values as mostly out of game information and not really useable. Same goes with region, constellation and solar system ids too.
Though, sun type and radius are measurements that can be expected that capsuleers should be able to do so those where fairly interesting to examine. It could be interesting to do the correlation analysis on more system features (number of planets, distance between celestial objects, cosmic signature appearence rates and so on). Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.03 21:50:00 -
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Most recent dev blog said WH space will NOT be getting new nebluae, but the reason behind it was because they were so new, so they could get the same treatment in the future, but it's a dead end for now. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:29:00 -
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So today I was looking at the skies in SISI (new nebulae) and hoping to find something distant and mysterious or something that you cannot travel to. I found nothing. Nothing visible in New Eden is not already accessable. Other than the "milky way" background surrounding the cluster that is visible from the outer most regions. But it doesn't look like it has anything to do with W-space.
But hey, at least now we know New Eden is a small part of a galaxy.
EDIT: Can someone do the same on SISI? Find something that you can't jump into? Just to confirm that W-space is no where near K-space? Thanks
EDIT2: You can check the regions by simply picking a random planet in it and go planet mode. |
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