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L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:48:00 -
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This is off the back of another thread which has shown a lot of interest.
I enjoy a lot of solo aspects of Eve game play.
It's due to time I have for the game, I can't always be around to fleet up with friends.
The AI chnages have impacted solo game play.
I would like to see a fix to NPC AI so I do not get agressed by rats in misions/belts or otherwise when I'm trying to kill someone solo.
It's hurting solo playstyle and the AI doesnt actually make any sense at all.
If you want to reach out to solo players this would be a good start.
This could actually be moved to ideas forum, didnt think before posting.
Thanks. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:50:00 -
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You forgot the rest the thread details:
* NPCs stop shooting your target as well,
* your target does an emergency warp to a waiting NPC mothership and is automatically refit for PvP, armor repaired, etc..
* your target is warped back
* PvP commences
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Yoyodyne corporation
Shadow Cartel
27
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:52:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:You forgot the rest the thread details:
* NPCs stop shooting your target as well,
* your target does an emergency warp to a waiting NPC mothership and is automatically refit for PvP, armor repaired, etc..
* your target is warped back
* PvP commences
Do you even play eve?
This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read on the forums.
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L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
57
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Posted - 2013.01.23 16:54:00 -
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Clearly a joke and quite an amusing one which I find direclty in line with the stupidity they call "AI" |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1066
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:10:00 -
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Let's see
HTFU
Adapt
Fit a bigger tank
It actually makes more sense than an AI that would completely ignore a potentially hostile ship on grid.
It's one thing when carebears shed tears and whine. It's just sad to see a PVP'r do it. |
L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
57
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:17:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Let's see
HTFU
Adapt
Fit a bigger tank
It actually makes more sense than an AI that would completely ignore a potentially hostile ship on grid.
It's one thing when carebears shed tears and whine. It's just sad to see a PVP'r do it.
errr ok, thanks for the helpful comment...not
We can adjust, but I'm trying to point out it doesnt fit well under "Intelligent AI" under its current design.
If you mugged a Granny down an alley, and some dude turned up to help out, would you expect the granny to start attacking the person preventing her from being attacked?
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XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
48
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:20:00 -
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I think the OP is just trolling. Seriously. I guess he has never attacked anyone in a sleeper site before.
I like the new A.I. it reminds me of being in J-space, only far more forgiving. |
L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
57
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:25:00 -
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XxRTEKxX wrote:I think the OP is just trolling. Seriously. I guess he has never attacked anyone in a sleeper site before.
I like the new A.I. it reminds me of being in J-space, only far more forgiving.
I have indeed sir, Immediate switch to agresser in belts isn't quite the same as a sleeper response time to switch to the agresser. |
Flakey Foont
221
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:25:00 -
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XxRTEKxX wrote:I think the OP is just trolling. Seriously. I guess he has never attacked anyone in a sleeper site before.
I like the new A.I. it reminds me of being in J-space, only far more forgiving.
Check his killmails guy with Xs on both sides of his name meant to connote coolness. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1067
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:25:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Let's see
HTFU
Adapt
Fit a bigger tank
It actually makes more sense than an AI that would completely ignore a potentially hostile ship on grid.
It's one thing when carebears shed tears and whine. It's just sad to see a PVP'r do it. errr ok, thanks for the helpful comment...not We can adjust, but I'm trying to point out it doesnt fit well under "Intelligent AI" under its current design. If you mugged a Granny down an alley, and some dude turned up to help out, would you expect the granny to start attacking the person preventing her from being attacked?
My granny, hells yea. She'd be cold cocking ya with her purse. But she's a tough cookie from da old country. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
642
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:32:00 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:stoicfaux wrote:You forgot the rest the thread details:
* NPCs stop shooting your target as well,
* your target does an emergency warp to a waiting NPC mothership and is automatically refit for PvP, armor repaired, etc..
* your target is warped back
* PvP commences
Do you even play eve? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read on the forums.
Hmm... I'd say it's slightly less stupid than OP expecting rat dps to help him against an already riskless pve fit. Because Eve is all about risk aversion, right? Never engage a ship that has a point fitted, you can lose your boat!
I have a better idea, why don't CCP just give you free kms?
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
57
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:35:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:stoicfaux wrote:You forgot the rest the thread details:
* NPCs stop shooting your target as well,
* your target does an emergency warp to a waiting NPC mothership and is automatically refit for PvP, armor repaired, etc..
* your target is warped back
* PvP commences
Do you even play eve? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read on the forums. Hmm... I'd say it's slightly less stupid than OP expecting rat dps to help him against an already riskless pve fit. Because Eve is all about risk aversion, right? Never engage a ship that has a point fitted, you can lose your boat! I have a better idea, why don't CCP just give you free kms?
Well if I was attacked, this is just example, in real life and someone joined in to fight off my agresser, yes I would continue to kick him in the nuts just like the rats previously did. I'm all up for improving AI but would actually like to see an improvement that doesnt nerf the game for some people. |
stoicfaux
2234
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:40:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:
We can adjust, but I'm trying to point out it doesnt fit well under "Intelligent AI" under its current design.
If you mugged a Granny down an alley, and some dude turned up to help out, would you expect the granny to start attacking the person preventing her from being attacked?
Eh, I see the "RP" logic for both views:
a) the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The AI shouldn't shoot you since you're helping them.
b) you're here to help my enemy. You are here to help the player and since you are PvP fit, you are an easier ship to kill than a PvE fit ship
c) NPCs are insane. They don't run away from pod pilots even after years of almost always suffering massive losses to them. Ergo, the NPC reaction to a new ship on grid should be random.
d) Dude! Don't Kill Steal! - You are here to steal the NPC's kill and are thus the enemy.
e) It's a Trap! That PvE target is working with the NPCs to bait you into attacking, and you fell for it. Maybe the AI is smarter than we think...
But from a game perspective, complaining about having to rely on NPC behavior to gank PvE ships is a bit weaksauce. (Sucker-punching someone is good tactics, but just don't expect a lot of props for relying on it.)
edit: Admiral Ackbar. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
642
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:40:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:sabre906 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:stoicfaux wrote:You forgot the rest the thread details:
* NPCs stop shooting your target as well,
* your target does an emergency warp to a waiting NPC mothership and is automatically refit for PvP, armor repaired, etc..
* your target is warped back
* PvP commences
Do you even play eve? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read on the forums. Hmm... I'd say it's slightly less stupid than OP expecting rat dps to help him against an already riskless pve fit. Because Eve is all about risk aversion, right? Never engage a ship that has a point fitted, you can lose your boat! I have a better idea, why don't CCP just give you free kms? Well if I was attacked, this is just example, in real life and someone joined in to fight off my agresser, yes I would continue to kick him in the nuts just like the rats previously did. I'm all up for improving AI but would actually like to see an improvement that doesnt nerf the game for some people.
If you run over ppl with your car in real life over and over again, cops will shoot you instead of smashing up your car and let you be on your way. Thus, Concord should pod ppl for one aggression nonstop, forever, because of irl.
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XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
48
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Posted - 2013.01.23 18:06:00 -
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CCP isnt going to change elements of the PVE content to accommodate PVP. |
Cage Man
153
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:09:00 -
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So basically you want to be able to continue to pray on PVE'ers without risk to yourself??? That is what you do right??? you know they don't fit points on their pve ships right??? I see where you going with this 
Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:56:00 -
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I save the cruisers and frigates for last now just for people like the OP  |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
228
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Posted - 2013.01.24 07:11:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:
We can adjust, but I'm trying to point out it doesnt fit well under "Intelligent AI" under its current design.
Nothing about the new AI is Intelligent... I have been in missions with a variety of ships on the field and doing DPS with missiles on my Rattlesnake and the moment I launch light drones the frigates all attack them.
I have also launched drones when there are only frigates on the field and sat back and watched for 5mins while they all die to my drones never once stopping from shooting me.
I can see your problem though OP but this is the way CCP wants the game to be. Don't worry when they finally get around to updating the content to fit the AI you'll also be fighting players fit with points and webs! So then when you get room agro you'll also be stopped from warping away by the player there.
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum
Stealth Wear Inc.
91
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Posted - 2013.01.24 11:08:00 -
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Tears on all sides, yeehaw.
God forbid the ambushers now have to be careful in the timing of their attack ... :) |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
498
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Posted - 2013.01.24 12:05:00 -
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Phail Phred is Phail. |
Davith en Divalone
Aegis Coalition Logistics
53
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Posted - 2013.01.24 15:44:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:We can adjust, but I'm trying to point out it doesnt fit well under "Intelligent AI" under its current design.
If you mugged a Granny down an alley, and some dude turned up to help out, would you expect the granny to start attacking the person preventing her from being attacked?
If I charged into a restricted military base or operation wearing the wrong uniform or no uniform at all, without proper identification, without the proper pass codes, unregistered with their operations, not in their lines of communication, and not following their engagement doctrines, while armed with a weapon I may have already fired, I'd probably be shot. They may or may not give me an opportunity to surrender first. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5076
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:19:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:This is off the back of another thread which has shown a lot of interest.
I enjoy a lot of solo aspects of Eve game play.
It's due to time I have for the game, I can't always be around to fleet up with friends.
The AI chnages have impacted solo game play.
I would like to see a fix to NPC AI so I do not get agressed by rats in misions/belts or otherwise when I'm trying to kill someone solo.
It's hurting solo playstyle and the AI doesnt actually make any sense at all.
If you want to reach out to solo players this would be a good start.
This could actually be moved to ideas forum, didnt think before posting.
Thanks.
As for your proposal, most definitely NO.
Now if you want to do solo *cough cough* PvP action, then just go to low security. That's what it was originally intended for anyway.
DMC |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
162
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:41:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:L0rdF1end wrote:This is off the back of another thread which has shown a lot of interest.
I enjoy a lot of solo aspects of Eve game play.
It's due to time I have for the game, I can't always be around to fleet up with friends.
The AI chnages have impacted solo game play.
I would like to see a fix to NPC AI so I do not get agressed by rats in misions/belts or otherwise when I'm trying to kill someone solo.
It's hurting solo playstyle and the AI doesnt actually make any sense at all.
If you want to reach out to solo players this would be a good start.
This could actually be moved to ideas forum, didnt think before posting.
Thanks. As for your proposal, most definitely NO. Now if you want to do solo *cough cough* PvP action, then just go to low security. That's what it was originally intended for anyway. DMC
Unless I am mistaken OP IS TALKING ABOUT SOLO IN LOW AND NUL SEC - specifically ganking sanctum runners etc. He is making a valid point that makes more sense in terms of artificial intelligence. If someone is slaughtering you and someone else comes and attacks them you're more likely to see them as a temporary ally.
I think the people rejecting the thread just don't understand what the OP is saying - must be. To the person that thinks hunting enemy BS in hostile territory is 'non-risk' all i can say is an emphatic 'lol'. |
L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
63
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:43:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:L0rdF1end wrote:This is off the back of another thread which has shown a lot of interest.
I enjoy a lot of solo aspects of Eve game play.
It's due to time I have for the game, I can't always be around to fleet up with friends.
The AI chnages have impacted solo game play.
I would like to see a fix to NPC AI so I do not get agressed by rats in misions/belts or otherwise when I'm trying to kill someone solo.
It's hurting solo playstyle and the AI doesnt actually make any sense at all.
If you want to reach out to solo players this would be a good start.
This could actually be moved to ideas forum, didnt think before posting.
Thanks. As for your proposal, most definitely NO. Now if you want to do solo *cough cough* PvP action, then just go to low security. That's what it was originally intended for anyway. DMC Unless I am mistaken OP IS TALKING ABOUT SOLO IN LOW AND NUL SEC - specifically ganking sanctum runners etc. He is making a valid point that makes more sense in terms of artificial intelligence. If someone is slaughtering you and someone else comes and attacks them you're more likely to see them as a temporary ally. I think the people rejecting the thread just don't understand what the OP is saying - must be. To the person that thinks hunting enemy BS in hostile territory is 'non-risk' all i can say is an emphatic 'lol'.
Thankfully finally someone gets it. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
659
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:12:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:
Thankfully finally someone gets it.
Get what? 1337 pvpers sense of entitlement? As in "I'm entitled to free rat dps against already riskless pve fit without a point."
I want my free km NOW!
Standings Improvement Service
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:09:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:L0rdF1end wrote:
Thankfully finally someone gets it.
Get what? 1337 pvpers sense of entitlement? As in "I'm entitled to free rat dps against already riskless pve fit without a point." I want my free km NOW!
Lol free KM. are we even playing the same game? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5079
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Posted - 2013.01.26 06:49:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:L0rdF1end wrote:This is off the back of another thread which has shown a lot of interest.
I enjoy a lot of solo aspects of Eve game play.
It's due to time I have for the game, I can't always be around to fleet up with friends.
The AI chnages have impacted solo game play.
I would like to see a fix to NPC AI so I do not get agressed by rats in misions/belts or otherwise when I'm trying to kill someone solo.
It's hurting solo playstyle and the AI doesnt actually make any sense at all.
If you want to reach out to solo players this would be a good start.
This could actually be moved to ideas forum, didnt think before posting.
Thanks. As for your proposal, most definitely NO. Now if you want to do solo *cough cough* PvP action, then just go to low security. That's what it was originally intended for anyway. DMC Unless I am mistaken OP IS TALKING ABOUT SOLO IN LOW AND NUL SEC - specifically ganking sanctum runners etc. He is making a valid point that makes more sense in terms of artificial intelligence. If someone is slaughtering you and someone else comes and attacks them you're more likely to see them as a temporary ally. I think the people rejecting the thread just don't understand what the OP is saying - must be. To the person that thinks hunting enemy BS in hostile territory is 'non-risk' all i can say is an emphatic 'lol'.
He didn't specify the system security status (high, low, null) and for the record, I don't give a rat's butt which system security status he's talking about. The change he is proposing would affect all NPC's regardless of the system security status.
Besides that, what he's asking is to have NPC's exclude PvP fit's and just target PvE fits, much to his benefit..
As I said before, most definitely NO.
The NPC AI is working as intended, attacking the easiest target available. Maybe PvP pilots should start fitting up their ships like PvE players before invading NPC sites looking for an easy killmail.
If the OP is indeed flying round in null security systems, then he's probably surrounded by 'Blues' which definitely makes him much safer than the solo high sec mission runner.
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L0rdF1end
Mainly AFK
Happy Cartel
64
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Posted - 2013.01.28 10:19:00 -
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Quote:
If the OP is indeed flying round in null security systems, then he's probably surrounded by 'Blues' which definitely makes him much safer than the solo high sec mission runner.
You want to come play in my neck of the woods lol.
Yes I'm talking about Null.
Yes i'm talking about solo players.
No I am not sorrounded by blue as that would remove target opportunity.
My playstyle isnt the everyday playstyle so I understand why some people do not understand.
Catching people in a plex or belt is my style of PVP, it's what I enjoy,hit and run.
For those that say "Do Real PVP". I'm afriad it doesnt work like that. Sure I could go get myself blobbed by attempting to take someone on solo where the target expects a fight. Targets of that type are far too eager to call in their friends and fight me 10-1.
I live in Null with very few allies and its just the way I like it.
I'd like to be able to enjoy ganking people in plexes and missions as I did before.
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Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
54
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Posted - 2013.01.28 12:05:00 -
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Hehe, so far to AI and logic of this game.
No solo PVP - anyway since years.
Thanks to AI a PVEer now has more chances to win, because PVPer arent fitted for tanking rats, and due to EWAR of rats a carebear doesnt even need it equipped. The rats scram, web, damp on huuuuge distances by far better than any player toon, and the additional firepower is great :)
Sounds nice, but in fact, it is really screwed up. I prefered it the way it was before much more :(
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Podarce
SHUN THE NON BELIEVER
Li3 Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:45:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Let's see
HTFU
Adapt
Fit a bigger tank
It actually makes more sense than an AI that would completely ignore a potentially hostile ship on grid.
It's one thing when carebears shed tears and whine. It's just sad to see a PVP'r do it.
Its hard to call pvper misisonair ganker:P |
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