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Ghoest
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:56:00 -
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http://gizmodo.com/5978740/us-military-to-install-laser-turrets-in-combat-airplanes
I guess they really are viable. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:07:00 -
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What kind of game do you usually play here ?
Oh we got both kinds, we got science and fiction.
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:21:00 -
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The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. Laser cutters used in manufacturing for cutting stuff like sheet metal have been around for decades that could easily cut someone in half in a millisecond, they just weighed several tons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.25 07:14:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. Laser cutters used in manufacturing for cutting stuff like sheet metal have been around for decades that could easily cut someone in half in a millisecond, they just weighed several tons. Another problem is also related to energy, but more with efficiency in mind. Even today most of gain medium materials will emit more energy into immediate surroundings (laser device itself) as heat than as EM emission of laser beam. Meaning that you must have terribly effective heat sinks in order to deal more damage to target than to yourself. I think that issue is still in place, but since you know where to apply cooling while aiming at vulnerable spots, you can actually use it as a weapon (and not to mention that spreaded heating of your device is much easier to deal with than focused one of target surface that may actually cause explosion if power and focusing are sufficient). And hey, using lasers in vacuum is so much easier than in dispersing and absorbing atmosphere... |
Sekhmet Snotra
Rattium Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.01.25 09:49:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. Laser cutters used in manufacturing for cutting stuff like sheet metal have been around for decades that could easily cut someone in half in a millisecond, they just weighed several tons. Another problem is also related to energy, but more with efficiency in mind. Even today most of gain medium materials will emit more energy into immediate surroundings (laser device itself) as heat than as EM emission of laser beam. Meaning that you must have terribly effective heat sinks in order to deal more damage to target than to yourself. I think that issue is still in place, but since you know where to apply cooling while aiming at vulnerable spots, you can actually use it as a weapon (and not to mention that spreaded heating of your device is much easier to deal with than focused one of target surface that may actually cause explosion if power and focusing are sufficient). And hey, using lasers in vacuum is so much easier than in dispersing and absorbing atmosphere...
Or solve the medium heating problem using an FEL (Free Electron Laser) but then have some efficiency losses in the particle accelerator. FELs can also be tuned to the exact frequency which your mirrors reflect with greatest efficiency, so you can aim them with mirrors instead of turning the laser itself, thereby greatly increasing tracking. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.01.25 10:07:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source.
We Amarr know this all too well, sadly.
CCP: "Let make all their ships armor tank!" Players: "You mean active tank?" CCP: "Exactly!" Players: "Which is to say, capacitor tank?" CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too!" Players: "And this is a good idea... why exactly?" CCP: "Because screw those guys." Players: *sigh*
EvE Forum Bingo |
Bastion Arzi
BioLith Industries Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.25 10:31:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. We Amarr know this all too well, sadly. CCP: "Let make all their ships armor tank!" Players: "You mean active tank?" CCP: "Exactly!" Players: "Which is to say, capacitor tank?" CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too!" Players: "And this is a good idea... why exactly?" CCP: "Because screw those guys." Players: *sigh*
lol |
Zimmy Zeta
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.25 10:47:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. We Amarr know this all too well, sadly. CCP: "Let make all their ships armor tank!" Players: "You mean active tank?" CCP: "Exactly!" Players: "Which is to say, capacitor tank?" CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too! And let them specialize in Cap warfare, those capacitors would have no problem with running several neuts, too, against their Minmatar enemies that are almost completely cap-independent"Players: "And this is a good idea... why exactly?" CCP: "Because screw those guys." Players: *sigh*
FIFY Please don't feed me. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.01.25 12:06:00 -
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Geez, even in real life Defender missiles are pass+¬ at best...
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.01.25 13:59:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. We Amarr know this all too well, sadly. CCP: "Let make all their ships armor tank!" Players: "You mean active tank?" CCP: "Exactly!" Players: "Which is to say, capacitor tank?" CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too!" Players: "And this is a good idea... why exactly?" CCP: "Because screw those guys." Players: *sigh*
Its good to see that the amarr race balance guy was co-operating with the hurricane balance guy to ensure that the utility highs for winning cap wars whilst doing good dps and dictating range didn't go on the same cap inde.... oh wait.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2013.01.25 14:30:00 -
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More important question is what properties a real laser would require to make it visible from a third perspective. What frequency or what temperature would it require to excite air particles into emitting light?
I don't want laser weapons without the light show. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.25 14:37:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:More important question is what properties a real laser would require to make it visible from a third perspective. What frequency or what temperature would it require to excite air particles into emitting light?
I don't want laser weapons without the light show. Then what you really want are particle beams. Lasers only show visible if they're in the visible frequences and have interacted with something that scatters the beam. Particle beams, OTOH, are made of, well... energetic particles. Which particles have a non-zero chance of changing energy states en-route to the target, thus giving off photons which would be visible to an external observer.
Thus: Lightshow. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2013.01.25 14:46:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:http://gizmodo.com/5978740/us-military-to-install-laser-turrets-in-combat-airplanes
I guess they really are viable.
Good, now we can officially Change the name of my country to "The United States of AMARRica" and be done with it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
452
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Posted - 2013.01.25 14:53:00 -
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Failing particle beams, you could always go for directed plasma. OK, so thats only loosely-directed plasma used as a rocket engine. But slap some elctromagnetic collimators on that beam, and you've got a plasma lance. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.25 15:36:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Failing particle beams, you could always go for directed plasma. OK, so thats only loosely-directed plasma used as a rocket engine. But slap some elctromagnetic collimators on that beam, and you've got a plasma lance. Meltaguns for life?..
Ahem, sorry, couldn't resist. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.25 17:58:00 -
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Industrial-sized Meltaguns. :D Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
435
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Posted - 2013.01.27 03:24:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:http://gizmodo.com/5978740/us-military-to-install-laser-turrets-in-combat-airplanes
I guess they really are viable.
Eve needs point-defense lazors!!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.01.27 09:07:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too! And let them specialize in Cap warfare, their capacitors could also run several neuts, too, against their Minmatar enemies that are almost completely cap-independent"
And being almost completely cap-independent simply means that they can run even more cap boosters (and thus shield/armor repair modules) effectively. EvE Forum Bingo |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:24:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:Eve needs point-defense lazors!! Yup, defender missiles should have turret analogues! Wait... |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:38:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:The question has never been whether lasers themselves are viable as weapons, the bottleneck to viability has been the energy requirement/source. We Amarr know this all too well, sadly. CCP: "Let make all their ships armor tank!" Players: "You mean active tank?" CCP: "Exactly!" Players: "Which is to say, capacitor tank?" CCP: "Exactly! And then we'll give them the biggest cap sucking weapons in the game too!" Players: "And this is a good idea... why exactly?" CCP: "Because screw those guys." Players: *sigh*
LOL... my Hat's off to you Ma'am... +100
o/ Celly
PS. don't forget the new AARs as those will help us too.. *wink* Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
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