allow someway to permit CAPS and SUB-CAPS to interact. Wether it fighters on Carries only; where they can not easly shoot small fast ships but could kill a BS with a little effort.

Ok this is the final straw i will be renouncing my eve charters and quit playing because ccp is now giving into even the smallest Winer's

I can link you over 20 video's of them dying in less than 15 min's so dont even try to say there to hard to kill

Where can I get a SC for 10b? Cheapest hull is 16.5b ... mins cost is, indeed, in the vicinity of 10b GǪ
Requirements will have no impact on the ship cost any way GǪ people will still want to buy them.

We often enjoy comparing EVE SCs to the real-life ones. In this scenario, you're telling me that my USS Enterprise cannot do anything to stop some dude standing on the deck of a tugboat, vigorously slapping her across the bow with a piece of fresh mozzarella, from sinking her.

I think the Enterprise's captain, if faced with a similar scenario and if saddled with a bunch of planes that for some reason cannot hit the tugboat, would climb down from the tower himself in order to shoot the tugboat captain in the face. I mean, honestly, what is your goal here? If you want to reduce the number of fights that happen in EVE, this is a great way to do it. The probability of me wanting to go into a battle we might not win just dropped to zero; at least before, I might be able to work with my fellow supers and clear off the tacklers to get more people home safely. Now I'm just committing a 20B ISK bullet-sponge.

Fix the logoff timer, fine. Limit the number of drones of a given type--a little crazy, but okay. But being unable to even hit subcaps? Why am I not just flying a dread, then?

One last note: it was already a PitA that you didn't give us room to carry a full flight of both FBs and fighters, along with even a single additional light drone, in any SC but the Nyx. Now that the supposed reason for that decision is gone, we're further restricted to only carrying less than a flight-and-a-half of ONE type of drone? Before you say we can swap out at will, try it. Move 125,000 m3 out to a supercarrier in a POS and back for me. Let me know how enjoyable that is, let alone doing it for a fleet of 20 supers that are deployed in hostile territory, ten jumps from the nearest friendly station.

Then again, given these changes, I suppose there won't be hostile territory, let alone supercaps therein, pretty soon.

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CCP: Love your intent;
CCP: You will probably fail.

You have provided no insentive for anybody to bring CAP to a fight; unless they bring 1 first; which they have no incentive to do so.

You need to allow someway to permit CAPS and SUB-CAPS to interact. Wether it fighters on Carries only; where they can not easly shoot small fast ships but could kill a BS with a little effort.

Otherwise you will kill the butterfly before it takes off

It's about fitting into a fleet. Guardians is currently extremely useful ships but you wouldn't go to a fleetfight in only guardians would you?

CCP: Love your intent;
CCP: You will probably fail.

You have provided no insentive for anybody to bring CAP to a fight; unless they bring 1 first; which they have no incentive to do so.

You need to allow someway to permit CAPS and SUB-CAPS to interact. Wether it fighters on Carries only; where they can not easly shoot small fast ships but could kill a BS with a little effort.

Otherwise you will kill the butterfly before it takes off

Also ITT:

Whinging nullbear SC pilots who are basing their complaints around the assumptions that all of EVE revolves around them, and sov-warfare, and seriously believing that the rest of us give two fucks.

Keep the tears coming, you poor, deluded, blinkered little princesses:

They keep my HM/Nano-Drake's windscreen looking like new!

The smallest winer's what?
And what does grape farmers have to do with EVE?

Or are you saying that they're giving in to the smallest whiners? WeeellGǪ we'll see if they give in to you or not (and I'm being kind here and assuming that by GǣsmallestGǥ you mean GǣfewestGǣ so we don't have to make quips about your size).
Why would you want to provide that kind of proof when you're trying to argue the opposite?

I'm not talking about not bringing support, I'm talking about... exactly what scenario would you say "Hey! Lets deploy supercarriers for that!". I mean.. yeah, sieging a dread might go badly, but you can lose quite a few dreads for the cost of a supercarrier.

Where does the SC fit into the fleet? Okay, it has a little bit of RR if fit as such, and dread-like damage vs capitals and Ihubs.

But you can bring the same deeps cheaper on a dread, and you bring better RR cheaper on a carrier. The only thing it really has going for it is EHP.
But it costs a lot more, and doesnt really bring a lot else to the field.

So it went from swiss army to an oversized screwdriver. Who uses oversized screwdrivers except that once a year oversized screw you find?. :-p

The problem with Super Carriers was never that they where hard to kill, it was that they could single handedly and without a support fleet, wipe the floor with any sub-cap fleet that faced it. The hit point reduction will, as has been stated earlier in the thread, simply create a greater proliferation of Titans. Your re-balance should be focused on forcing Super Capital deployment need a Sub-Capital support fleet to ensure its effectiveness rather than making people less likely to want to commit their mullti-billions investment, should they have them, or purchase a multi-billions investment should they not. Both these will impact on producers which in turn will impact on small gang PvP exacerbating the problems we alrady face in Eve.

And EW immunity. A a larger ship bay. And it does more damage. A LOT more damage even than dreadnaughts. Plus the Remote ECM burst.

Yeah, supers aren't worth flying now, sure. I tell you what, I'll take your "useless" supercarrier off your hands for a nice new carrier hull of your choice and 2 bill in cash. Since carriers are better that supers, that's a bargain, right?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArVlisPcgSHddGFZRGtwZ3YyT3dSUDB2YmJvQ053a2c&authkey=CKSKi7sL#gid=23

I even build for blues (but not for you, just because).

was strictley stating my point that ccp is going to nurf the ship because of someting that does not exist ie a capital getting killed in under 15 min...

why even owne a titan or mom any more theay are usless once this up date hit's aside for taking down a station

So you can troll all u want and say im wrong

Have you looked at the new dread damage? Most dreads can put out about what the SC can. Theoretical, of course.

Also, I don't have an SC. Can I still have the carrier + 2bil?

So now you're saying that it's really a problem since capitals do not get killed in under 15 minutesGǪ Good thing they're trying to change that then.
In other words, they are not not useless, and there are plenty of reasons to own one.
I don't have to. You're doing it so nicely yourself.

you are a horrible little ******* troll next time you try and quote me take thoe hole thing

like tha fact than you can kill a mom in under 15 min as well as titan you little ****

Ya know what i dont have time for **** anit's for you go find a gun a pull the trigger

I can see 2 problems

- Carriers should remain deadly against sub-capitals, so give them a bonus to fighters to counter the penalty. I'm thinking about carriers ratting and the fact that carriers can be killed easily. They shouldn't have the penalty to fighters

- There should be a distinction between logging off and getting disconnected (or server down)

I can see 2 problems

- Carriers should remain deadly against sub-capitals, so give them a bonus to fighters to counter the penalty. I'm thinking about carriers ratting and the fact that carriers can be killed easily. They shouldn't have the penalty to fighters

- There should be a distinction between logging off and getting disconnected (or server down)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArVlisPcgSHddGFZRGtwZ3YyT3dSUDB2YmJvQ053a2c&authkey=CKSKi7sL#gid=23

I even build for blues (but not for you, just because).

hmm... you think the USS Enterprise was engineered to provoke fun & interesting fights?

While changes (nerfs) to the supercapital roster is indeed welcome I do remain of the opinion that the only way to breathe new life into 0.0 warfare is to nerf remote repping. Fleets with 20 or more logistics can be nothing but negative; they promote blobbing and the homogenization of fleets, and is an absolute killer of small-but-elite fleets (such as BURN EDEN). While blobbing is to some extent the product of human nature, in a game enviroment where you cannot break a single enemy without hitting it with 100+ ships blobbing goes from an annoyance to a necessity.
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Or they could just avoid senselessly nerfing fighters in the first place...

People will just yank their network cables if there's an advantage in doing so.

Oh, i see perfect sense in that. They want to prevent, that a mom can single-handedly take on fleets of every size and get away with it. This nerf will take care of the problem. To encounter a mixed fleet, you will need backup from now on.