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Tasiv Deka
Jadablade Redneck Rage
68
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Posted - 2013.01.27 11:08:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%? no bubbles and doomsdays in low-sec. if this fight had happened in 0.0 the death toll would have been higher. Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And precisely how long does it take either side to recover? If PL lost a total of 1, maybe 2 supercaps, a few days to get back to full strength? How many supercaps are in the pipeline right now in null sec? And how many of the supers in the pipeline do not have a pilot already waiting for them? How many production lines are sitting idly just waiting for a customer? (the answer is: none) You are right that monetary loss is not such a massive issue but you miss that supercap production is a real bottleneck. If you use the next titan that rolls off the production lines to reimburse one of the pilots who lost theirs today, then some other titan pilot will have to be pushed back one slot in the queue. The end result is one less titan for the coalition unless they expand their production lines (and even if they did decide to do that the effect would only be visible 3 months down the road).
Now selling Titans and Super-carriers give me your deposit of 10 million isk to save your place! Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
404
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Posted - 2013.01.27 11:32:00 -
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Mabye capital ships should be more expensive, and have some type of upkeep. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
248
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Posted - 2013.01.27 12:19:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Basically...yawn.
Sad to say, since I was hoping for massive mayhem, but the fundamental flaws in the game mechanics/ capabilities of CCP's servers were exposed yet again.
I am not saying that given the amount of ships on the node that anything but a supercomputer capable of modeling weather or a nuclear explosion could have handled the load.
Far from it. I think CCP has done a great job designing software/ hardware to model the millions of calculations to simulate a battle between so many objects.
But look at the final tally. According to goon's Pravda, between the 2 sides, 89 caps and 9 supercaps were destroyed. (those numbers will certainly added to, though I doubt by much)
In the overall context of the order of battle, whoop dee do.
Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%?
And precisely how long does it take either side to recover? If PL lost a total of 1, maybe 2 supercaps, a few days to get back to full strength? How many supercaps are in the pipeline right now in null sec?
Null sec wil try to spin this as creating content. Guess what null sec. Some battles in high sec or wormholes are far more epic in percentage of total assets a corp/alliance commits than this tiff, requiring far more skill and guts than jumping into a system, and running Jita orders on an alt while sitting in a TiDi'ed system.
I watched the live feed provided by PL. Sorry, nothing epic about that, just slow and boring.
Sure, a trillion ISK may have been destroyed. And you guys replace that with a weekend of ratting and moon goo.
CCP, learn from this. You want to make battles epic and memorable? Make supercaps something impressive again. If you won't nerf hull sec income, then increase the cost of supercaps 10 or 20 fold, so when one goes down it means something. Also, start charging huge fees (in the form of isotope costs), based on mass, when cynoing into a system. Make it hugely costly, even by blue null standards, to cyno in 100 supercaps.
Then suddenly, playing Supercap Blob Online becomes a thing of the past, and maybe you won't have quite so many pilots in a system killing the node.
That's the worst cognative dissonance I've seen in a while. On one hand you're talking about how null sec is so rich they'll be able to replace losses instantly and then in the other you're talking about how the solution is to increase costs.
I'm glad you're not actually responsible for making any decisions. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
181
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Posted - 2013.01.27 12:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Basically...yawn.
Sad to say, since I was hoping for massive mayhem, but the fundamental flaws in the game mechanics/ capabilities of CCP's servers were exposed yet again.
I am not saying that given the amount of ships on the node that anything but a supercomputer capable of modeling weather or a nuclear explosion could have handled the load.
Far from it. I think CCP has done a great job designing software/ hardware to model the millions of calculations to simulate a battle between so many objects.
But look at the final tally. According to goon's Pravda, between the 2 sides, 89 caps and 9 supercaps were destroyed. (those numbers will certainly added to, though I doubt by much)
In the overall context of the order of battle, whoop dee do.
Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%?
And precisely how long does it take either side to recover? If PL lost a total of 1, maybe 2 supercaps, a few days to get back to full strength? How many supercaps are in the pipeline right now in null sec?
Null sec wil try to spin this as creating content. Guess what null sec. Some battles in high sec or wormholes are far more epic in percentage of total assets a corp/alliance commits than this tiff, requiring far more skill and guts than jumping into a system, and running Jita orders on an alt while sitting in a TiDi'ed system.
I watched the live feed provided by PL. Sorry, nothing epic about that, just slow and boring.
Sure, a trillion ISK may have been destroyed. And you guys replace that with a weekend of ratting and moon goo.
CCP, learn from this. You want to make battles epic and memorable? Make supercaps something impressive again. If you won't nerf hull sec income, then increase the cost of supercaps 10 or 20 fold, so when one goes down it means something. Also, start charging huge fees (in the form of isotope costs), based on mass, when cynoing into a system. Make it hugely costly, even by blue null standards, to cyno in 100 supercaps.
Then suddenly, playing Supercap Blob Online becomes a thing of the past, and maybe you won't have quite so many pilots in a system killing the node.
Lets look aat a different tally, did they have fun? Seems to me they did, thats all that counts in my book. -áVote for Malcanis for CSM8 |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
505
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Posted - 2013.01.27 12:38:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:.. death to all super caps. A whopping seven (7) S.Carriers and two (2) titans listed in related deaths .. big whoop. Now do that every day and you might just break even with the numbers being shat out of POS throughout NAP-land.
Came expecting to be disappointed and lo and behold .. !
PS: Do better, supers really have to die in droves for that kind of 'headline' to be warranted. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
542
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Posted - 2013.01.27 12:46:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:MeBiatch wrote:.. death to all super caps. A whopping seven (7) S.Carriers and two (2) titans listed in related deaths .. big whoop. Now do that every day and you might just break even with the numbers being shat out of POS throughout NAP-land. Came expecting to be disappointed and lo and behold .. ! PS: Do better, supers really have to die in droves for that kind of 'headline' to be warranted.
Are you living under a Rock? 3 Titans more than half a dozen SC-¦s, 40 dreads, 50 carriers...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
506
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Posted - 2013.01.27 13:05:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Are you living under a Rock? 3 Titans more than half a dozen SC-¦s, 40 dreads, 50 carriers... It's a cardboard box thank you very much!
Now take those staggering (*lol*) numbers and compare with 400+ Titans and 1600+ S.Carriers being birthed every year .. thread was misrepresented to an exceptional degree, death to all supers indeed.
PS: Vanilla caps are more numerous than bankers without morals, can be reliably killed by frigates up and can be built in NPC stations so who cares how many of those perish? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
255
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:05:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:Are you living under a Rock? 3 Titans more than half a dozen SC-¦s, 40 dreads, 50 carriers... It's a cardboard box thank you very much! Now take those staggering (*lol*) numbers and compare with 400+ Titans and 1600+ S.Carriers being birthed every year .. thread was misrepresented to an exceptional degree, death to all supers indeed. PS: Vanilla caps are more numerous than bankers without morals, can be reliably killed by frigates up and can be built in NPC stations so who cares how many of those perish?
This null runs on carriers and JFs. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2548
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:28:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:MeBiatch wrote:.. death to all super caps. A whopping seven (7) S.Carriers and two (2) titans listed in related deaths .. big whoop. Now do that every day and you might just break even with the numbers being shat out of POS throughout NAP-land. Came expecting to be disappointed and lo and behold .. ! PS: Do better, supers really have to die in droves for that kind of 'headline' to be warranted. Are you living under a Rock? 3 Titans more than half a dozen SC-¦s, 40 dreads, 50 carriers... I was there for large part of that fight. Given what was on the field, it's pitiful how little died. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2548
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:32:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Lets look aat a different tally, did they have fun? Seems to me they did, thats all that counts in my book. I don't know how they could have.
I went because I'd never seen a fight like that. It took me more than 30 minutes to make the final gate jump into system and when I finally got on grid, it was so obscenely slow that I could start locking something and then go clean the house for a bit while I waited. I was flying an interceptor and it took minutes to lock supers. How could that possibly be fun?
Eve is real....ly slow. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:But look at the final tally. According to goon's Pravda, between the 2 sides, 89 caps and 9 supercaps were destroyed. (those numbers will certainly added to, though I doubt by much)
In the overall context of the order of battle, whoop dee do.
Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%?
The fight wouldn't have happened in 0.0, it only happened because supers can escape in lowsec |
Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:50:00 -
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wallenbergaren wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:But look at the final tally. According to goon's Pravda, between the 2 sides, 89 caps and 9 supercaps were destroyed. (those numbers will certainly added to, though I doubt by much)
In the overall context of the order of battle, whoop dee do.
Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%? The fight wouldn't have happened in 0.0, it only happened because supers can escape in lowsec
Hictors can tackle super caps in lowsec fyi |
Zack Korth
Poked
228
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:54:00 -
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/yawn
so? |
Gerard Hareka
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.01.27 14:55:00 -
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No one cares about consensual arena PVP even if some stuff gets to blown. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
306
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:00:00 -
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If you can promise me that the td wont be as bad, I will move into null and do this again until near broke. Im really sad though, my 3 shots and not a km to my name. Oh well at least I got some loots. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
739
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:10:00 -
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Went to battle report hoping to see 30 or 40 dead titans + supers on each side.
Left disappointed. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
202
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:28:00 -
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That's not a war.
That's just a bar fight on a Saturday night.
Glad I chose the wild monkey sex instead.
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Mirel Dystoph
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:31:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Went to battle report hoping to see 30 or 40 dead titans + supers on each side.
Left disappointed. Titans in lowsec are total ****. They do less damage than a dread and cost 30 times as much. "Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise."-á |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us
Because you make it so easy to despise you. Everyone loves it when the arshole bully gets a black eye and busted lip and a broke nose in this case. |
Khorian
Versatech Co. Against ALL Anomalies
19
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:06:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us Because you make it so easy to despise you. Everyone loves it when the arshole bully gets a black eye and busted lip and a broke nose in this case.
Actually, goons are more the bullied that became the bullies. Like Anaking Skywalker. All those good intentions and yet... Coming to think of it, thats quite tragic, isn't it? Fun Fact: They are ALL still wearing horn-glasses and braces tho. |
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
759
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us
People like therads about politics espetialy if somone mention that goons die.
GD community like politics themes and battle reports,because most of GD users cant post in CAOD, some people just want to know what's going on, without study maps killboards etc.
Well is true that large amount of people are inside npc corps, but also large group of people are inside corps with below 10 or 20 members and they cant join CAOD. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:35:00 -
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Khorian wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us Because you make it so easy to despise you. Everyone loves it when the arshole bully gets a black eye and busted lip and a broke nose in this case. Actually, goons are more the bullied that became the bullies. Like Anaking Skywalker. All those good intentions and yet... Coming to think of it, thats quite tragic, isn't it? Fun Fact: They are ALL still wearing horn-glasses and braces tho.
So they became what they themselves hated the most? Poetic justice |
wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:45:00 -
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Bolow Santosi wrote:wallenbergaren wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:But look at the final tally. According to goon's Pravda, between the 2 sides, 89 caps and 9 supercaps were destroyed. (those numbers will certainly added to, though I doubt by much)
In the overall context of the order of battle, whoop dee do.
Last I heard, 168 supercaps engaged, for who knows how many hours, and a total of 9 went down. What is that, 6%? The fight wouldn't have happened in 0.0, it only happened because supers can escape in lowsec Hictors can tackle super caps in lowsec fyi
I never said they couldn't, I said supers can escape in lowsec which is just what happened. HICs can't be RRed and you'll invariably run out of HICs long before you run out of supers to kill. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1568
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us
Mysteriously, they're always created by forum alts.
But i know goons hate attention, and would never do something like that. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1294
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us
I have a question...
There were Goonswarm Federation ships on both sides of that fight. Was it staged for the benefit of players (or alternatively, propaganda), or is there a genuine split in Goonswarm's ranks? Looks like your corp was on the HBC side...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16068387 You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mirel Dystoph
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:55:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us I have a question... There were Goonswarm Federation ships on both sides of that fight. Was it staged for the benefit of players (or alternatively, propaganda), or is there a genuine split in Goonswarm's ranks? Looks like your corp was on the HBC side... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16068387 It's called smartbombs, projected ecm and killmail whoring. Learn to dog-net.org/brdoc before posting again. "Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise."-á |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us I have a question... There were Goonswarm Federation ships on both sides of that fight. Was it staged for the benefit of players (or alternatively, propaganda), or is there a genuine split in Goonswarm's ranks? Looks like your corp was on the HBC side... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16068387 Your 1600mm tinfoil hat scores a wrecking hit. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1294
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:16:00 -
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Mirel Dystoph wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:baltec1 wrote:Considering how much people go on about not caring about us they sure do spend a lot of time posting threads about us I have a question... There were Goonswarm Federation ships on both sides of that fight. Was it staged for the benefit of players (or alternatively, propaganda), or is there a genuine split in Goonswarm's ranks? Looks like your corp was on the HBC side... http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16068387 It's called smartbombs, projected ecm and killmail whoring. Learn to dog-net.org/brdoc before posting again.
I was just asking a question. No need to be snippy. Just try to stop me posting again
You could have answered it and explained why there are Goon ships on both sides of that killmail. But what am I saying? This is the forums, why would people want to use any semblance of rationality or courtesy here? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
319
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:16:00 -
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So Shadoo, now you know you can facefuck goons and co. even without the HBC helping you out why exactly do you still think war is a bad idea??
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1959
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Posted - 2013.01.27 17:31:00 -
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Removed an off topic post. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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