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Natasha Kerensky
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Posted - 2005.07.08 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shimrra I have completed 2 lvl 4's solo in my raven, 1 was deadspace damsel. I have trained all the new missle skills to lvl 2 and 2 of them to lvl 3. I do however also use a caldari navy ballistic control.
The one thing that has really helped me above all this is lvl 5 heavy drones, they eat the frigs and I can concentrate on the cruisers and bs's.
The missions are much harder now and you may have to warp out more than normal but in my opinion they can still be done solo with a little bit of adjustment to you setups.
I have been given the deadspace drone mission now, I'm sure that will not be easy and I may have to warp out to switch setups but I am not gonna share that loot with anyone
What kind of drones are you using? ------------ FORUMZ! Because none of us, is as dumb as all of us |
Seramis
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Posted - 2005.07.08 13:51:00 -
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I made some Level 4 Missions too. The only i changed in my setup i replaced 2 720mm Howitzer with 2 Medium Beam laser II. Friggs i can kill with medium beam laser II an drones, they die fast. Larger targets i kill with Torpedos. It needs more ammo, takes longer, but it is possible.
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.08 14:02:00 -
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so actually lets put it this way. you can do exactely teh same but need more isk earn less isk and it takes longer. hows that suposed to be fun?
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.07.08 14:32:00 -
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mine looks like an apoc with 8 miner 2's
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Sariyah
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: SpeedoMan pre-patch, Ravens weren't the uber0wn all BS anyways, Apocs and Megathrons outperformed them majority of the time. Why CCP has chosen to nerf not only the Raven, hit the hardest, but nearly every single Caldari ship & player, IS BEYOND ME, and it really ****ES ME OFF!
Hey, I wonder then why I saw hundreds of Ravens doing missions, while I can only do non-ds missions with sniping setup with my Mega... some of the DS ones... got over 6 mill SP, 1.4 in gunnery, decent engineering/mechanics (lvl4s) and still I couldn't tank as good as my corpmate did with his Raven. Wonder why I was always with dmg setup and he was tanking when we went out together, I think it's because Raven was the only obvious choice for lvl4s, don't you think?
Perhaps I'll be able to do all (or almost) lvl4s with my Mega, but that time just hasn't come yet. I'd need uber gear and skills to easily do them.
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chinnychinchin
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:42:00 -
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I think that whatever people say about these changes the game has to change to remain interesting. the problem is that a LOT of people were doing and enjoying lvl4 missions. A lot of poeple are now back to lvl3s which are dull and without reward. I think therefore a lot of people will leave eve and you will have 2 groups left. Those with huge skill points who started years ago and pure newbs who haven't realised yet that they can't get anywhere interesting in the game as they started 2 years too late. I know this will get flamed by the long term players but at the end of the day when the game becomes non viable it will be they that suffer
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:00:00 -
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hey,
I'm a two year old char and this patch made me just as newb as you in your mega t.
Heck, you could prolly kick my arse right now in that Mega T.
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wansari
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mangold
Originally by: Kelcen sure you like the nerf cause oyu are not dependend on caldari ships. so it barely scratches your ability to play this game.
Ahum. No.
It's true that I'm not dependant on using Caldari ships. I can fly quite a few other ships (except the evil amarrians). BUT you're completely missing my point. Ravens could hit intys, drones, frigs, cruisers, battleships etcetera with the same weapon with maximum damage. It was simply to good.
Have you ever tried to use a 1400mm on a frig? Try that without using loads of tracking computers, sensor booster and target painters. Oh, and don't forget to train all the gunnery skills too.
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Sariyah
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sariyah on 08/07/2005 17:00:25
Originally by: X'Alor hey,
I'm a two year old char and this patch made me just as newb as you in your mega t.
Heck, you could prolly kick my arse right now in that Mega T.
May be, I don't know PvP (too new) but they never said Raven is a good pvp ship.. I was talking of lvl4 missions as this is the missions forum. My point was that yea it's not easy and I have learned in the hard way cursing why I dodn't train for Caldari but didn't want to change after I trained some skills already. :)
Guy said: pre-patch, Ravens weren't the uber0wn all BS anyways, Apocs and Megathrons outperformed them majority of the time
Just was pointing out this was a big lie.
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Serve
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:53:00 -
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Well 2 things.
1. Same ole same old with the Raven for lvl4 missions, just gota be a bit more carefull. 2. Inho, the only people who will leave the game are people who ONLY did lvl4's and did'nt bother to explore the other parts of the game. Like the fact ITS A MMO! play with other people or you may as well save your subscription and play Freelancer with the radio on for company.
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TotensBurntCorpse
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Posted - 2005.07.08 19:45:00 -
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My 0.02isk. (flys 3 accounts, 1 amarr, 1 minmatar, 1 caldari)
This is good. Everyone is talking level 4 missions. Didnt see to many ppl doing lvl 4 missions in other ships, mainly ravens. Why? To me its obvious, the previous missle operations didnt require ANY ship set up for weapons (only ammo). The same weapons were equally effective nuking ships at ranges 90+ as well as 0+, this is crazy, was crazy and is now being highlited how crazy it really was, whether we see it (or dont want to see it).
Level 4's were doable in a raven with siege launchers since they could hit EVERYTHING well.
I gave up doing (should i rather say attempting) level 4s with the amarr and minmatar characters, mainly because of time, rewards and risk. Frankly the raven (or pretty much any of the missle boats) was a money boat compared to the other two characters.
The minmatar and amarr characters have millions in gunnery skills and missles, where as the caldari character has a fraction of this and only in missles.
As a noob I would certainly immediately see that this is screwy, as a yr+ player I KNOW this to be screwy.
One thing I havnt seen much discussion upon is GUNS, guys caladari also use them (I was used to not even using the last 2 high slots).
My final thought would be I think its CCPs intention (and based upon actual play) their ORIGINAL intention that level 4 missions be TEAMWORK BASED not one ship lock shoot and blast the crap outta everything missions.
I would think VERY few players can do a level 4 in an non raven without uber skills across the board. In a raven most level 4s can be done with good torpedo skills only, this was a major slap to the other players who must spend alot more time to get the same results.
So in the end, my caldari character is taking the time to learn the new skills for missles.
PS as a lark I tried several 1 and 2 level missions in my kestral and found them doable with 2 lite and 2 rocket launchers, while at the same time I was in on channel discussion with ppl who were adamant that the kestral caracal ferox and raven are now useless. Well I think missle boat drivers now need to OUTFIT better your high slots, just as the gun toters had to do for a long time now. TotensBurntCorpse Likes EVE, Starfleet Command Series, Earth & Beyond, Anything Battlefield, MOHAA, Call of Duty.
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Quanova
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Posted - 2005.07.08 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Serve
... 2. Inho, the only people who will leave the game are people who ONLY did lvl4's and did'nt bother to explore the other parts of the game. Like the fact ITS A MMO! play with other people or you may as well save your subscription and play Freelancer with the radio on for company. ...
Massively-multiplayer doesn't mean you should generally be forced to group when playing. Forced grouping should stay limited to high-end game content (which lvl 4 missions imho are not). Imho those high-end content in EVE are 0.0-space, higher complexes and the yet-to-be-implemented lvl 5 missions.
Aside from gangs EVE doesn't even provide specific tools to encourage occasional, short-term grouping. And this is especially true for missions: no shared rewards, lps, no game-facilitated loot management, etc.
Quite alot of players seem to want to be able to solo their gaming experience. And one of the most important solo-able game contents --mission running-- has been and will be, as already announced, made more difficult or inaccessible for those players. As such their gaming experience will be 'downgraded'. If CCP doesn't provide anything for those to stay interested they might leave. Imho EVE should cater for a broad player base, players with various interests, and therefore provide solo content for experienced players, too.
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Shimrra
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:37:00 -
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I have just completed the Guristas Spys lvl 4 deadspace mission in a Raven with 6 Ogres. I used 3 arbalest siege. 2 makulth heavy and 1 makulth std. I ran a xl t2 sheild booster and amp with 4 cap recharger t2. lows were cap relay a caldari navy ballistic control and 3 power diag t2. It took me nearly 1hr and 30 mins to complete and I even got the Dread Pith Usurper with no help.
So to sumarize to solo a lvl 4 in a raven with the new missle skills to lvl 2 and 3 takes a ship worth 600 million for about 5 mil in bounty and 1000 loyalty points and 2 hours of your life.
Did I enjoy it? NO IT WAS ****! Will I do it again? probably! Why? I got nothing better to do and things can only get better!
Do what you gotta do to survive.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2005.07.08 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mangold on 08/07/2005 21:54:36
Originally by: wansari
seems to me like someone doesnt understand how missiles work.
Care to explain that?
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.07.08 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shimrra
I have just completed the Guristas Spys lvl 4 deadspace mission in a Raven with 6 Ogres. I used 3 arbalest siege. 2 makulth heavy and 1 makulth std. I ran a xl t2 sheild booster and amp with 4 cap recharger t2. lows were cap relay a caldari navy ballistic control and 3 power diag t2. It took me nearly 1hr and 30 mins to complete and I even got the Dread Pith Usurper with no help.
So to sumarize to solo a lvl 4 in a raven with the new missle skills to lvl 2 and 3 takes a ship worth 600 million for about 5 mil in bounty and 1000 loyalty points and 2 hours of your life.
Did I enjoy it? NO IT WAS ****! Will I do it again? probably! Why? I got nothing better to do and things can only get better!
Do what you gotta do to survive.
Maybe you should use hardeners. What's up with an amp, a booster, but a cap power relay? ---------------------------
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Pant Alones
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Posted - 2005.07.09 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: ATRADE so there we have the problem again. more risk - less reward.
Good. Before the patch a semi-conscious 1st grader could waltz through lvl 4 missions and make a billion isk in a month.
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Genda v
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Posted - 2005.07.09 05:21:00 -
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You all did not realize, that the Raven is useless now
The Raven could not be used for PvP, cause when you fire your missiles, your target is warped away before one missile hits, and also with those speed improvements you wont hit your target in time, before you are destroyed yourself. And NO! i dont want to be a support raven with ridicular e-war toys.
So the only reason for flying a Raven was those missions. Now its gone and the Raven died. nuff said
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ATRADE
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Posted - 2005.07.09 10:52:00 -
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yeah sure but now 20mil sp chars have problem doing lvl4's. nice
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Silverstone
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Posted - 2005.07.09 10:53:00 -
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Lost my Raven yesterday. Easy mission. We were 2 raven and 3 interceptors. Against us it was 8 Frigs, 4 crusiers and 1 BS. I got 24M skill points and I have about 3,7M skill points on missiles. I got all the new skills to level 2. Mission was in 0.0. It was impossible to take the spawn down. The patch has taken away all fun that it was to be a Caldari pilot. And if some off you think you can take down the spawn just convoy me in game and I will take you out to the spawn and watch you do it. And yes I'm using target painters and web. Crusie missiles 2 * railguns drones. This is the dead to Caldari ships. I will go away from game for some weeks and hope something will be done about all the nerf that CCP have done to missiles.
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DjDangle
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Posted - 2005.07.09 11:05:00 -
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I'm hoping they are going to relax the nerf a bit or give caldari some more bonus's to their ships but only time will tell. I have all the new skills to lvl 3 and have tried quite a few different setups.
I'm not a pirate but at the moment i've resorted to blowing up other players to get by in Eve. What can I say. Ok. So lvl 4's were to profitable. But to add a missile nerf, make the missions harder and lower the profitability from missions all in the same patch was not a wise idea and far too much.
I've done a few lvl 4's with corp mates now and your lucky to get more than a couple of mill. Doesnt really seem worth it.
Me personally I am getting fed up of all these posts but what do people and CCP expect.
Tis too much to all those at CCP!
Originally by: Silverstone Lost my Raven yesterday. Easy mission. We were 2 raven and 3 interceptors. Against us it was 8 Frigs, 4 crusiers and 1 BS. I got 24M skill points and I have about 3,7M skill points on missiles. I got all the new skills to level 2. Mission was in 0.0. It was impossible to take the spawn down. The patch has taken away all fun that it was to be a Caldari pilot. And if some off you think you can take down the spawn just convoy me in game and I will take you out to the spawn and watch you do it. And yes I'm using target painters and web. Crusie missiles 2 * railguns drones. This is the dead to Caldari ships. I will go away from game for some weeks and hope something will be done about all the nerf that CCP have done to missiles.
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.07.09 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Oninous on 09/07/2005 11:29:45 These changes hit me hard... On average I had about 50 million isk in my account from NPC'ing and such. Because of the time I started and the ammount of skill points I had (just over 2 million) When this nerf hit, I went from barely doing lvl 3 missions to doing lvl 2 missions in a ferox. Granted, I'm not ubber and most consider me a newb, but after 2 months of playing, i'm back to being as effective as one week after I started. I've trained all the new missile skills up to lvl 2 and use my raven to do easy lvl 3 missions. I use a mix in high slots; 4 x siege, 2 x assault, 2 x 125mm and all BCU's + 2 x PDU's. Still takes me alot longer to complete the mission and makes the reward laughable. If they wanted to encourage group participation in lvl 4's why not put a minimum group member req on the gates.. and make them all deadspace missions.. anyway, I guesss we will all live to mine another day.. as that is the most profitable thing in game i have found now...
PS good job nerfing missions runners and then introducing spawn camping with COSMOS... EverEve
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predorianis
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Posted - 2005.07.09 12:41:00 -
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i tought nerving was ment to balance things but it turned out to be a launch *****party
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