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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.01.27 23:51:00 -
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http://www.gamebreaker.tv/game-industry-news/own3d-tv-shutting-down/
The above article speculates that Own3Dtv is going to close down. I'm assuming this means CCP are unlikely to have received the prize money for the tourney, but confirmation would be nice. If there is no prize money coming from Own, and if CCP wasn't going to pay real cash (which isn't unreasonable in the circumstances) I was just wondering where that left us as prize winners? Please, could someone from CCP give us some comfort over this? Will there be any prize at all outside the medal and plex?
Many thanks.
ps. If there really isn't any cash, any chance of a new ship type pls ? |
ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1103
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Posted - 2013.01.27 23:52:00 -
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I thought CCP was paying the prize money? DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
89
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Posted - 2013.01.27 23:54:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:I thought CCP was paying the prize money?
No, the prize fund was from Own, CCP covered the production costs. |
Girt v2
Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.01.27 23:58:00 -
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Oh you got money for a fake moustache!? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:00:00 -
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LOL, wow, the prizes for a boring, unwatched, worthless contest got lost in the shuffle...Who'd a thunk...
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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iskflakes
308
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Posted - 2013.01.28 00:16:00 -
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Good riddance. There was a lot to dislike about own3d.
1) Their steams did not work on linux 2) Their adverts were frequent and with no variety 3) They were SLOW. So slow. By comparison I watched the fight yesterday on twitch.tv in 1080p and it streamed flawlessly.
I hope the winners of the NEO get their money. NEO was a good idea, but it wasn't promoted very well or held at a very good time (and the rules were a bit random). If the next one improves on any of these points though I'll probably watch it :) - |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2135
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:08:00 -
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I liked twitch better anyway... The Drake is a Lie |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.01.28 10:58:00 -
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I've not used twitch or own enough to have preferences either way, and it's always saddening when a company goes to the wall leaving people behind holding the ****** end of the stick through no faults of their own.
But my primary question was directed to CCP and it really would be nice to have some indication of how ****** the stick is that the NEO prize winners are left holding. So, please CCP, can you shine a little light on this? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
430
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Posted - 2013.01.28 11:16:00 -
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It would be nice, even if CCP didn't get anything money wise, if they could reward each character with plexes worth their share (maybe rounded up, as it's a little bit annoying we've waited this long, and got this).
The NEO wasn't a "worthless tournament" either. IF you think it is, that's great. It was great fun, great fun to be part of, and I'd do it again in a shot. Hopefully CCP can work something out with twitch.tv and we can keep it going next year.
Cheers -Buhhd |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam A Point In Space
562
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Posted - 2013.01.28 12:15:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:LOL, wow, the prizes for a boring, unwatched, worthless contest got lost in the shuffle...Who'd a thunk...
I watched it. therefore by definition it cannot have been "unwatched". The world does not revolve around you.
The world rolls over you. |
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:23:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:LOL, wow, the prizes for a boring, unwatched, worthless contest got lost in the shuffle...Who'd a thunk...
Initially this tourney didn't appeal to me it must be said, but it turned out to be an absolutely brilliant event to participate in, every bit as nerve wracking and challenging as the alliance tournaments I've flown in. On top of the usual issues we then had to deal with a limited pool of pilots to draw on from the outset, a very tight point restriction (which only served to make it even more fun and challenging to come out with good setups) and then there was the tactical ship banning which brought a whole new level to selecting teams at the point of the fight.
All in all it was a brilliant tourney to fly in and it's just a shame that this shadow has been cast over it. I really hope that another sponsor can be found to continue this tourney format, and also that we might still get a prize of some sort this time round. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:29:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:LOL, wow, the prizes for a boring, unwatched, worthless contest got lost in the shuffle...Who'd a thunk... Initially this tourney didn't appeal to me it must be said, but it turned out to be an absolutely brilliant event to participate in, every bit as nerve wracking and challenging as the alliance tournaments I've flown in. On top of the usual issues we then had to deal with a limited pool of pilots to draw on from the outset, a very tight point restriction (which only served to make it even more fun and challenging to come out with good setups) and then there was the tactical ship banning which brought a whole new level to selecting teams at the point of the fight. All in all it was a brilliant tourney to fly in and it's just a shame that this shadow has been cast over it. I really hope that another sponsor can be found to continue this tourney format, and also that we might still get a prize of some sort this time round.
This gentleman speaks the truth on all levels.
It might take a bit but I have little doubt CCP will sort out something fair for the winners.
I myself am not familiar with twitch but I've heard that it is highly regarded... I don't think many would object if they can work out something wtih them. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:34:00 -
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Hey everyone,
I am discussing the situation with people internally and we will be working on a solution which we hope to announce to you all in the next couple of days.
Thank you all so much for your patience so far and we will aim to get a resolution in the very near future.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:45:00 -
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Considering how many streamers have been shafted by their shady business practices, I can't say I'm surprised. Sucks that CCP has to be caught in the fallout. Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
90
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:11:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Hey everyone,
I am discussing the situation with people internally and we will be working on a solution which we hope to announce to you all in the next couple of days.
Thank you all so much for your patience so far and we will aim to get a resolution in the very near future.
Many thanks for letting us know you're aware of the problem and our concern; look forward to your announcement. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
435
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:20:00 -
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Thanks navigator! GL twisted Own3d's neck until they spill the cash. |
Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
60
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Posted - 2013.01.29 11:28:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Thanks navigator! GL twisted Own3d's neck until they spill the cash.
They wont spill the cash, if ccp don't already have it to give to us they wont get it.
There are "partnered" streamers that do a subscription based fee, something like $5 a month for people to view their videos, with the streamer getting a certain % of the fee. Read storys recently of people not being paid for a good 5-6 months, so i can say with almost certanty unless ccp fork it out themselves there wont be a cash prize.
This doesnt bother me at this point to be honest, it would be nice. But i've waited so long on ccp pulling the finger out and actually orginizing getting it out to us (sorry if that sounded cheeky, but it doesnt take this long to work out diffrent area's conversion rates and tax etc etc, please don't insult my intellegance) that at this point i'd just be happy with a couple plex to compensate. |
Teardrop Butterfly
Vengeful Swan
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Posted - 2013.01.29 12:09:00 -
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Girt v2 wrote:Oh you got money for a fake moustache!?
+1 internets for you, Sir. Family Guy references are never bad. Killboard |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1683
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:46:00 -
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Horatius Caul wrote:Considering how many streamers have been shafted by their shady business practices, I can't say I'm surprised. Sucks that CCP has to be caught in the fallout.
Had no one considered the irony of their name?
Would it have been clearer if they'd named themselves "Pwn3d"?
I know that's how I felt when trying to use their streams and archived videos the days after.
(FWIW, I enjoyed the tournament itself, but disliked Own3d all around)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:02:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Would it have been clearer if they'd named themselves "Pwn3d"?
I know that's how I felt when trying to use their streams and archived videos the days after.
(FWIW, I enjoyed the tournament itself, but disliked Own3d all around) you should keep in mind that user experience for these streaming sites varies a lot depending on which region you are trying to access them from.
for a long time (until well into last year) twitch.tv/justin.tv was hardly usable for HD streams in Europe (laggy, black screens, ...) and own3d.tv provided a much better experience.
on the other hand American viewers often seem to have a bad experience using own3d.tv I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1683
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Posted - 2013.01.29 14:26:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:War Kitten wrote:Would it have been clearer if they'd named themselves "Pwn3d"?
I know that's how I felt when trying to use their streams and archived videos the days after.
(FWIW, I enjoyed the tournament itself, but disliked Own3d all around) you should keep in mind that user experience for these streaming sites varies a lot depending on which region you are trying to access them from. for a long time (until well into last year) twitch.tv/justin.tv was hardly usable for HD streams in Europe (laggy, black screens, ...) and own3d.tv provided a much better experience. on the other hand American viewers often seem to have a bad experience using own3d.tv
Interesting... makes sense why my experience was poor with Own3d then. I don't watch streams much - I'd rather be playing the game myself. But I do have interest in the Eve tournaments.
Seems to me that the streaming software these types of places are using could stand to be improved if the extra latency (or packet loss?) from longer distances is affecting them that badly.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:24:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Seems to me that the streaming software these types of places are using could stand to be improved if the extra latency (or packet loss?) from longer distances is affecting them that badly. I think it's not so much a software problem but a problem of internet infrastructure that is solved by the streaming provider setting up local servers to restream from (in contrast to individual users he can afford to pay for peering agreements etc to guarantee a stable & fast connection between his streaming servers even if they are located on different continents). I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
93
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Posted - 2013.02.01 10:48:00 -
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Well somebody brought up another very valid concern about Own3d going under in an alliance tourney thread - what will happen to the vids of the fights? Hopefully these can get transferred to ccp's youtube. There's an awful lot of video for anyone else to record and list otherwise. |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.02.01 13:58:00 -
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Let me get this straight. You make a deal with them and give the tournament streaming rights in exchange for the tournament prize fee sponsoring, and u do not ask for the cash upfront?! Thats some quality business management right there. |
dexington
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
559
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:03:00 -
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this is eve, you should have expected the prize was a scam. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥ |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:18:00 -
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Is this the return of GH-SC? |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:32:00 -
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I think the question here is "Who got 0wn3d?" CCP for handling out the stream without gettin paid, or the tournament participants getting lured to sink some PLEX at the promiss of a real money prize without it existing in the first place.
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Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:43:00 -
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I liked own3d. I was a partner with them, they paid me and I was happy for it. Their stream quality was fantastic for me by the way, 1080p @ 45 FPS, too. Transcoding options were good and meant people could view anywhere.
Twitch and own3d were/are very similar. Gripes are probably a local issue.
I will miss them. Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Richard Galaxy
Monocle Madness The Mockers AO
174
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:37:00 -
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Wow, that's a shame about the prize money, glad to hear Navigator / CCP are on the case though. I never had any problems watching the stream (when my internet connection was good), but then again I'm in Europe, so as has been said, their server location is probably the reason for the streaming differences.
The tournament was fun, I'm with Buhhdust on that. Maybe not as exciting as the AT but definitely not on the boring side. General Manager Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:22:00 -
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CCP Dolan said:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=164505
CCP Bro said:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73485
The biggest misconception I see out there is the following: GÇ£CCP is only hosting this tournament to make some quick cash off the PLEX entry feeGÇ¥
I wonder why ppl come up with such ideas Bro
CCP Dolan live in one of the streams:" I like cash money".
Yeah i think the players also do but it dont seem theyre getting any :D
lol 0wn3d |
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