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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:21:00 -
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Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates (assured of no sovereign retribution) operate there in hopes of blobbing hapless so-called "care bears"( who wander in) for easy kills, and epeen strokes. Low sec is boring? Why hell yes. Why wouldn't it be? Everybody who's got business out there is already there staring at each other wondering where the buffoons are and why won't they come in here and let us trounce them?!
Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day, if everything goes well, and luck is on your side. Till that time, it's a noble goal. Null sec players might bear that in mind if they're wanting to populate their playpen. New players have to be trained and groomed to operate there, and you're the ones with the know-how, and resources to help people make the transition. It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.
High sec? Let's see...it's all kinds of dumb to stay in an area where you won't lose everything you own in one shot and have to start all over. Stupid dumb. Even though "all" those people in low and null sec have years in the game, and the SP to prove it, high sec players are just plain stupid for staying safe, working to build their abilities and resources, and biding their time till something good comes along to transition their game to a different level.
So...I hope I'm following this...all these outraged and disparaging players assaulting our integrity and insulting our courage for staying in high sec are actually trolling for victims to pad their killboards. If we take their advice and roll the dice to go into these two zones - low and null sec - they'll ambush us, rob us and laugh at us for listening to them at all. In fact...this has become such common knowledge a certain Alliance has had to break from their own digs and come raiding helpless mining ships cause they can't get game where they claim they're the boss of the house...padding their killboards in a frenzy of digital nailbiting...
Do I have this right? Hmmmm....
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:24:00 -
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highsec-> make money to go PVP on occasion, called care bears because they want a certain amount of money before fighting
lowsec-> players who shoot anything that moves then cry when no more targets
nullsec-> ultimate carebears, farm NPC's with capitals and such. |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness S I L E N T.
20
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:07:00 -
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Clearly, I don't go into Lowsec to make drugs and explore...
All my isk is made from running missions in high sec 24/7.
Why not go to Lowsec first before you say that only wannabe pirates live in Lowsec. How may I drug you with drugs? |
Makhar
WEPRA CORP White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:27:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates (assured of no sovereign retribution) operate there in hopes of blobbing hapless so-called "care bears"( who wander in) for easy kills, and epeen strokes. Low sec is boring? Why hell yes. Why wouldn't it be? Everybody who's got business out there is already there staring at each other wondering where the buffoons are and why won't they come in here and let us trounce them?!
Agree low sec is the least developed area of the game, with less reason to live there than other areas, but still not as empty as you seem to be making out.
Vyl Vit wrote:Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day.
I know many people who have moved to null sec within a few weeks of starting to play EVE. It requires bottle, intelligence and the ability to use Google to find stuff out.
Vyl Vit wrote:It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.
It's nobody else's job to teach you how to play EVE. You figure it out like you figure life out. By making mistakes and learning from them. Fit a bunch of cheap ships, head out to NPC null sec space and start learning how it works. After you've made a few mistakes, gotten a few kills and learnt what you're doing join a corp out there who you can fly with and learn how to work as a team with others.
Vyl Vit wrote:"all" those people in low and null sec have years in the game, and the SP to prove it.
Having high SP makes zero difference to your ability to operate in null sec, just means you have a greater range of different ships you can fly. Pick a decentish t2 frigate (maybe a stealth bomber or AF) train it to max skills or close, learn how to fly it well. Only THEN pick a new ship to train for. You'll soon realise that everything after about the first 10 mill SP makes no difference at all to your ability to live in null. And even with less than 10 mil you can manage just fine if you have the bottle to try it instead of sitting around in high sec waiting for one the "uber" players you seem to be talking about to take you under their wing like some sort of Jedi Master and teach you how to play EVE.
If you want to live in null. Go do it. Nobody is stopping you and you certainly shouldn't let your low SP count stop you. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:33:00 -
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Well its more of an attitude of older player which has been sank in the isk/hr ratio for so long.
At the beginning everyone wants to fly rifter and seek fights. In the end is how much isk/hr you do.
Its sad. I am one of those. Not atm since i dont log so frequently anymore but more then less...
I even remember some -10 corporation helping us newbies out at 2008 i guess it was great chat and an thrill back in the days.
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Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:38:00 -
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Get to know low sec; it can be surprisingly accessible. (That does NOT mean to leisurely gate into EC-P8R for giggles.)
the fact that you cannot be bubbled on a gate in low sec, and that player density is often quite low outside portal systems, means that you're not going to insta-die every time you hop into low sec. Having said that, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get to know it first by using low skill point alts in frigates.
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
58
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:29:00 -
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Aw...you know I had to pull a few chains just for grins. Though, I'm not voicing my own opinion about population distribution. That's amply laid out in multiple forum posts.
Sure, you can throw the baby in the pool and yell "SWIM!" But, isn't that a bit unsophisticated for members of an advanced society, to let people learn on their own. "I had to. So, you have to." Doesn't seem very advanced in thinking there.
The idea being; things may not be the way they seem, but how do you know? Is it worth losing everything to find out? Some people, of course, would answer, "Hell yeah!" But, some people would get into the bar fight and worry later about facing the judge the next morning, and the fine...much later.
I'd say the majority of people prefer to operate in an area of confidence. No one's saying remove all risk. That would make all the zones identical. It's more of an incentive thing. If low sec / null sec denizens would like to see more population movement, rather than messing with the game dynamics to force the issue, why not use player-initiated approaches to make it all a little less than shooting in the dark?
Some would say, no. The motives of those would then be suspect. Those who would say yes then open themselves up for looking at the game with a little less self-interest and a bit more community interest. I guess the logic of all this is blinding.
PS Not a blatant attempt to bump this post.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
220
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:43:00 -
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Quote:Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. I spend most of my time in lowsec these days. Not pirating mind. I do WH and anom scans and either go look for what I can steal or shoot for a few dollars and hopefully an occasional good drop.
It feels a lot more "spooky" than 0.0 and I get a better buzz from it.
One thing I cannot do and perhaps it needs to be considered, is that I cannot, in a right frame of mind, setup shop in lowsec. I did once and lost it all.
Anybody with a couple of caps can jump in and blow me away unless I can counter with a bigger blob etc.
Any lowsec tower is as vulnerable, if not more so than a 0.0 tower. If I have to blue up the entire area just to hold a tower, may as well be in 0.0 doing it. If only I was "allowed" to have a moon in 0.0.... And so it goes......
Low might be more interesting and more populated if caps were removed. Dunno. Just a thought. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
35
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:45:00 -
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I say there needs to be low sec police provided by empires and not concord so that a pirate can still gank you but hell have to be a hit and run sort of deal instead of camp all day. He can have a home low sec zone where he can run raiding missions into the neighboring hostile areas and get LP and Standings (like low sec amarr might give you a mission to target kill a ship in gallente low sec space) |
Kengutsi Akira
30
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Posted - 2011.10.11 01:52:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I say there needs to be low sec police provided by empires and not concord so that a pirate can still gank you but hell have to be a hit and run sort of deal instead of camp all day. He can have a home low sec zone where he can run raiding missions into the neighboring hostile areas and get LP and Standings (like low sec amarr might give you a mission to target kill a ship in gallente low sec space)
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Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:02:00 -
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The friendliest, most fun to play with players I've ever met have all lived in lowsec. Of course, it's not that we don't have a couple mind-bogglingly stupid players too, but they're relatively few - and I've got a feeling that anything that encourages players like the OP to visit would drastically alter the proportion in favor of mind-boggling stupidity.
Lowsec may need some small enhancements (gimme my fix), but calls for a radical reworking so that highsec folk will flood it en-masse are rather shortsighted.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
47
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:03:00 -
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0/10
OP ignores FW, l5 mission runners, and people who do exploration...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |
Kengutsi Akira
30
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:19:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:
highsec-> make money to go PVP on occasion, called care bears because they want a certain amount of money before fighting
lowsec-> players who shoot anything that moves then cry when no more targets
nullsec-> ultimate carebears, farm NPC's with capitals and such.
The middle one sounds like the Goons in their interdiction especially Mittani. Ive seen quite a large amount of freely flowing Goon tears about not having targets.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
225
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:22:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:
highsec-> make money to go PVP on occasion, called care bears because they want a certain amount of money before fighting
lowsec-> players who shoot anything that moves then cry when no more targets
nullsec-> ultimate carebears, farm NPC's with capitals and such.
The middle one sounds like the Goons in their interdiction especially Mittani. Ive seen quite a large amount of freely flowing Goon tears about not having targets. G**n tears. Best tears.... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:24:00 -
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Relevant. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
230
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:41:00 -
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I lolled. +1 Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
26
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:02:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates (assured of no sovereign retribution) operate there in hopes of blobbing hapless so-called "care bears"( who wander in) for easy kills, and epeen strokes. Low sec is boring? Why hell yes. Why wouldn't it be? Everybody who's got business out there is already there staring at each other wondering where the buffoons are and why won't they come in here and let us trounce them?!
Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day, if everything goes well, and luck is on your side. Till that time, it's a noble goal. Null sec players might bear that in mind if they're wanting to populate their playpen. New players have to be trained and groomed to operate there, and you're the ones with the know-how, and resources to help people make the transition. It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.
High sec? Let's see...it's all kinds of dumb to stay in an area where you won't lose everything you own in one shot and have to start all over. Stupid dumb. Even though "all" those people in low and null sec have years in the game, and the SP to prove it, high sec players are just plain stupid for staying safe, working to build their abilities and resources, and biding their time till something good comes along to transition their game to a different level.
So...I hope I'm following this...all these outraged and disparaging players assaulting our integrity and insulting our courage for staying in high sec are actually trolling for victims to pad their killboards. If we take their advice and roll the dice to go into these two zones - low and null sec - they'll ambush us, rob us and laugh at us for listening to them at all. In fact...this has become such common knowledge a certain Alliance has had to break from their own digs and come raiding helpless mining ships cause they can't get game where they claim they're the boss of the house...padding their killboards in a frenzy of digital nailbiting...
Do I have this right? Hmmmm....
Nullsec is generally more work. you have to be organised and active. there is no casual play there as people want killboard stats to show that you have been online. Most of the Epeens who say that they log on when they want are lying as there are untold cases of people who have done that and either been kicked out or logged on to find themselves surrounded by russians and there old alliance no where to be seen
Lowsec only has a very small number of things going for it. If you want to do PI you can get a better rate from lowsec and its pretty safe to do. Certain missions are worthwhile but they are only in one system i can think of. Everything else is junk. Exploration is a waste of time as the best you can hope for is 5/10 plex or an nullsec hidden belt. but then you still have to get the stuff out and good luck bring in your hulk. There are no financial rewards in lowsec than cannot be beaten by highsec.
Highsec. Eve online easy street and the only option for the casual player. Plus highsec wars and general pvp is completely different to other secs and a lot of returnee nullsecers prefer it. I know that i do.
If you disagree with me you hate america and support terrorism
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CaptainFalcon07
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:07:00 -
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Lowsec has really no advantage over Highsec or Nullsec. It has more risk with much less reward.
Mining in lowsec is less profitable than mining in highsec.
You still need standings to anchor a tower in lowsec and charters if you are in a 0.4.
PI and moon are crap.
The rats are typical missions rats that you can easy get in level 4's.
Lowsec is only used for LEVEL 5 missions, staging to nullsec/WH, and running from concord and faction police. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
326
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:13:00 -
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Hi sec, low sec, null sec...what sec?
For fucks sec? GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
11
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:13:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates ...
Got that far and lol'd. QQ, cry moar, go back to WoW, etc. That about cover it?
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
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Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
24
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:22:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates (assured of no sovereign retribution) operate there in hopes of blobbing hapless so-called "care bears"( who wander in) for easy kills, and epeen strokes. Low sec is boring? Why hell yes. Why wouldn't it be? Everybody who's got business out there is already there staring at each other wondering where the buffoons are and why won't they come in here and let us trounce them?!
Null sec...it's common knowledge (with few exceptions) unless you're in a well-organized group with good SP, better ships, tons of money, and active players, null sec is a place you hope to get to one day, if everything goes well, and luck is on your side. Till that time, it's a noble goal. Null sec players might bear that in mind if they're wanting to populate their playpen. New players have to be trained and groomed to operate there, and you're the ones with the know-how, and resources to help people make the transition. It's not lost on us lesser players null sec players whine about how lonely it is out there, but rarely lift a pinky finger to change that.
High sec? Let's see...it's all kinds of dumb to stay in an area where you won't lose everything you own in one shot and have to start all over. Stupid dumb. Even though "all" those people in low and null sec have years in the game, and the SP to prove it, high sec players are just plain stupid for staying safe, working to build their abilities and resources, and biding their time till something good comes along to transition their game to a different level.
So...I hope I'm following this...all these outraged and disparaging players assaulting our integrity and insulting our courage for staying in high sec are actually trolling for victims to pad their killboards. If we take their advice and roll the dice to go into these two zones - low and null sec - they'll ambush us, rob us and laugh at us for listening to them at all. In fact...this has become such common knowledge a certain Alliance has had to break from their own digs and come raiding helpless mining ships cause they can't get game where they claim they're the boss of the house...padding their killboards in a frenzy of digital nailbiting...
Do I have this right? Hmmmm.... Nullsec is generally more work. you have to be organised and active. there is no casual play there as people want killboard stats to show that you have been online. Most of the Epeens who say that they log on when they want are lying as there are untold cases of people who have done that and either been kicked out or logged on to find themselves surrounded by russians and there old alliance no where to be seen Lowsec only has a very small number of things going for it. If you want to do PI you can get a better rate from lowsec and its pretty safe to do. Certain missions are worthwhile but they are only in one system i can think of. Everything else is junk. Exploration is a waste of time as the best you can hope for is 5/10 plex or an nullsec hidden belt. but then you still have to get the stuff out and good luck bring in your hulk. There are no financial rewards in lowsec than cannot be beaten by highsec. Highsec. Eve online easy street and the only option for the casual player. Plus highsec wars and general pvp is completely different to other secs and a lot of returnee nullsecers prefer it. I know that i do. If you disagree with me you hate america and support terrorism
I live in lowsec. I pirate, I explore, I look for Good fights. I do some very minor PI (enough to cover ammo and ship repairs ). Lowsec isn't very dangerous if you have half a brain. It takes you a few days to learn the various safe habits so you don't die to every gatecamp, competing pirate and the occasional anti pirate. People who say the risk isn't worth the reward don't live there. The risks are minimal and things like complexes can provide alot of isk. There's delicious roids, better PI and easier pvp for those that want it. There's also missions with better payout. Sur you have to alter your fits a bit from what you use in high sec, but really it's not a huge problem.
Lowsec has MANY people with bounties. Killing them provides delicious isk as well.
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:28:00 -
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CaptainFalcon07 wrote:Lowsec has really no advantage over Highsec or Nullsec. It has more risk with much less reward.
Mining in lowsec is less profitable than mining in highsec.
You still need standings to anchor a tower in lowsec and charters if you are in a 0.4.
PI and moon are crap.
The rats are typical missions rats that you can easy get in level 4's.
Lowsec is only used for LEVEL 5 missions, staging to nullsec/WH, and running from concord and faction police.
Wait, what ?
Low sec has more risk but way bigger rewards in my gameplay. Cannot comment about the mining as it's not my thing. I have had more Officers in lowsec in the past month than anywhere else. Maybe I'm just lucky. I am of course assuming that all Regions are equal.
The door is not real. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
109
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:35:00 -
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My father used to say:
A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes A smart man learns with his mistakes
And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.
We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Marcus Wilde
HellHound's INVICTUS ALLIANCE
3
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:04:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Let's see. Nobody in their right mind, unless they're intentionally looking for trouble, goes into low sec. It's common knowledge the wannabee pirates ... Got that far and lol'd. QQ, cry moar, go back to WoW, etc. That about cover it?
Exactly what I was thinking! See his killboard? It's EPIC!!!
OP, come back when you have a clue!
http://hellhounds-howls.blogspot.com/ |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:10:00 -
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I appear to have missed the part where your ships instantly explode when you leave high-sec?
That seems to be the tl;dr of the OP.
Low-sec is crap at the moment for the simple reason that unless you're in FW or you're a low-sec roamer/PVPr there's no reason to go there. Oh - nicer wormholes to null and the occasional BS rat I suppose, but its hardly going to fire your enthusiasm. Not a lot anyone can do about it - IMHO CCP have never had a plan for low-sec and I don't see it changing.
NPC null - depends on region and timezone as to how decent it is. Not exactly hard to get into or out of.
Sov null - mainly carebears. By that I mean they don't undock to do much other than rat unless someone is shouting at them for a CTA. Anyone who has been in a sov holding alliance KNOWS that 95% of the alliance will avoid PvP if at all possible. You know that these people are not going to go investigate a neutral who has been reported on intel channels, they'll just dock up. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:39:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Low might be more interesting and more populated if caps were removed. Dunno. Just a thought.
People take down towers all the time in wormholes or even high-sec without caps. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.10.11 13:59:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:My father used to say:
A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes A smart man learns with his mistakes
And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.
We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself.
To counter the argument your father said : as an figure of respect.
If you learn from other people mistakes, is it you who plays your life or are you an servant for an missed opportunity of those who learned ?
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
62
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Posted - 2011.10.11 14:05:00 -
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Quote:Hi sec, low sec, null sec...what sec? ... and that's why wormhole space was created. |
Killie
Loki's Marauders Dragoons.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 14:45:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:My father used to say:
A dumb man keeps on doing the same mistakes A smart man learns with his mistakes
And a wise man lears with other people's mistakes.
We are teaching you our mistakes in hopes you won't make them yourself. To counter the argument your father said : as an figure of respect. If you learn from other people mistakes, is it you who plays your life or are you an servant for an missed opportunity of those who learned ?
...... I didn't check my dscan and got blown up because I didn't see combat probes....... can you learn something from that? or are you missing an opportunity. Sorry but what you said is ******** |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2011.10.11 15:15:00 -
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OP doesn't have the faintest clue about low sec in general or any particular area of low sec.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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