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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.29 20:58:00 -
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Following repeated SOS calls from a ground facility on Vellaine 3, capsuleer elements loyal to the State, as well as third-party elements aligned with CONCORD led by Grideris reported to the system and attempted to make contact. The transmissions originated on the Commcode of one Koraski Hakatain (No, he's not a relative of mine as far as I know) of Intara Directive Action, the ground mercenary arm of the Intara family.
From the transmissions, it became clear that the ground forces claimed to have been hit by CPD forces, resulting in casualties and the destruction of their facility. They received evacuation and orbital support from Guristas forces led by Ohminen Sin. I personally offered Mr. Hakatain corporate asylum as a "middle ground" option. My offer was turned down.
The Guristas force was engaged in low orbit, resulting in the destruction of three hostile Rattlesnake-class battleships. Ms. Sin piloted a Rhea-class jump freighter and did not acquire a suspect flag and thus was not engaged by any present force. She was successful in extracting the ground forces and departing for parts unknown. The remaining four Rattlesnakes disengaged and were pursued to the Nalvula system, where the pursuit halted in the face of overwhelming hostile capsuleer presence. The loyalist fleet then disbanded.
At this time, the destination of the jump freighter is unknown, but it is believed to have escaped unharmed, along with all the Intara personnel. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
284
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:01:00 -
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Without adding to this statement I'd like to confirm it as an accurate and truthful account of the incident. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1099
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:10:00 -
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The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive is preparing a large aid package for delivery to affected areas.
More information to come. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
401
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:10:00 -
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I would also like to add that I offered a separate means of asylum outside the bounds of the state (if that was their primary concern. I did however recommend they take Stitcher's offer first). I might also add that the forces in question that they evacuated are Empyrean Soldiers. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
11
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:11:00 -
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who get sick and tired of hearing about pirates getting away with their deeds. 3 battleships lost, but the freighter with the objective was able to escape with ease.
How very convenient. I look forward to more news regarding tihs incident and hearing how it will be dealth with, if that is even possible. |
Demion Samenel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
14
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:18:00 -
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I can also confirm that this action rapport is correct.
Demion Samenel Head Diplomat Caldari Independent Navy Resrve
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
284
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:24:00 -
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BloodBird wrote:I'm sure I'm not the only one who get sick and tired of hearing about pirates getting away with their deeds. 3 battleships lost, but the freighter with the objective was able to escape with ease.
How very convenient. I look forward to more news regarding tihs incident and hearing how it will be dealth with, if that is even possible.
Unfortunately whilst we were able to secure local superiority over the Gurista fleet, it came at the cost of allowing the Freighter to escape. I assure you that the freighter was pursued to the utmost - sadly they had prepared their escape route and secured hostile capsuleer support. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
401
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:30:00 -
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An update on the freighter issue. Looking back at my logs, it appears that the freighter carried an Ishukone IDENT, not a Guristas. I'm trying to look further into the matter, but that would explain why we were unable to engage it. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
116
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:52:00 -
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Well done to the Guristas and allied forces, some of my alliancemates among them.
Anything to annoy the State's leadership is just fine by me. |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
55
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:20:00 -
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So, what awful crime was this group of people guilty of that warrented paramilitary attack? |
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:46:00 -
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Gorion Wassenar wrote:So, what awful crime was this group of people guilty of that warrented paramilitary attack?
Indeed. I'm not familiar with the Intara family or IDA. What conflict did they have with the Caldari Providence Directorate? Why did the Guristas intervene to evacuate them? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
285
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:54:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Gorion Wassenar wrote:So, what awful crime was this group of people guilty of that warrented paramilitary attack? Indeed. I'm not familiar with the Intara family or IDA. What conflict did they have with the Caldari Providence Directorate? Why did the Guristas intervene to evacuate them?
Interesting point and certainly not one that's been answered to my satisfaction either. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1024
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Posted - 2013.01.30 12:40:00 -
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Yet there are still questions that need to be answered. Was it a purge or those "soldier" rebelled or committed treason before the State attacked them.
And yes, that Rhea was stolen:
Quote:...Their fleet included a Rhea-class jump freighter, apparently stolen from the Ishukone Corporation Factory in Huola two hours earlier, which was still broadcasting Ishukone transponder codes... |
Aquila Shadow
Caldari Office Of Naval Intelligence
57
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:05:00 -
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The only reason State forces would have to fire on a planet in hi-sec is to prevent enemy access to classified data, equipment or VIP's. And seeing as how the Guristas are involved we can say that whatever these rebels/soldiers whatever you want to call them had in that facility it was worth bombing the planet to stop it falling into enemy hands. If you all remember a few months back the Guristas tried something slimier in the system of Ohkunen. The pirates were denied whatever they came for after being blockaded in the system of Ihakana and had their transport destroyed. Its possible that this time they managed to get whatever it was they were looking for by buying of the people on the planet forcing the State to destroy the facility from orbit. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
211
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:19:00 -
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I would like to point out that the circumstance of Guristas intervention alone warrants the actions that have been taken, as it is prudent to assume that there were existing ties between the Intara family and Guristas elements prior to this situation.
We all should remain vigilant and keep our eyes open for more covert Guristas influences to report any suspicions to the authorities as it is appropriate. As such I applaud the intervention of the CPD and assisting Caldari Navy forces remaining convinced that this will be another step to keep our compatriots safe from dissidents, instigators and worse.
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
56
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Posted - 2013.01.30 16:03:00 -
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See, there is a problem with that narrative. The Guristas only became involved because the targets of this operation were already under attack. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2013.01.30 17:08:00 -
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I see. Attack these people, then when they defend themselves "See? They were traitors all along!" |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
666
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Posted - 2013.01.30 17:26:00 -
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Frankly, I don't give a damn about who's in the wrong here, for me it was extremely simple - Guristas in State highsec = hostile targets. Hostile targets = open fire.
I don't actually have a personal problem with the Guristas, but let's be clear on this - I identify myself as a State loyalist. My interpretation of what that means may differ wildly from those of some (I dare say even the majority of) other loyalists, but it's still the case that I think of myself that way.
The Guristas identify as enemies of the State. That means there's a professional conflict. We've both chosen our sides - I may be obligated to open fire on them when they jump into highsec, but I can still acknowledge the skill with which the extraction was pulled off, and respect their effectiveness and attitude. I can even understand where they're coming from and why they're doing what they do. I can even sympathize. I just don't share their conclusions and allegiance.
As the AAR reports, the Intara forces reported that their facility had been hit by the CPD. That raises questions that I want to see answered, but I refuse to draw any conclusions solely on claims made by one group of battle-traumatized soldiers who, when offered a third road that was neither CPD nor Guristas, still chose the Guristas. That could have been the result of feelings of knee-jerk resentment, or could be indicative of a more long-term allegiance. I don't know, and don't intend to trust anybody's word over anybody else's. flags and armour markings can be falsified. Lies can flow more easily than truth. Apparent atrocities can turn out to be genuinely driven by the cold calculus of the greater good over the individual.
We don't know, and all this speculation and leaping to conclusions is tiresome. I urge patience, calm heads, still minds and slow tempers. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
168
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Posted - 2013.01.30 17:35:00 -
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Gorion Wassenar wrote:See, there is a problem with that narrative. The Guristas only became involved because the targets of this operation were already under attack. Or do you think preemptive ground assaults on your own people without any public charge of a crime warranting such action is a good way to run a government?
I would say the involvement of a known criminal organization hostile to State interests assisting the Intara Directive Action displays an act of prior collaboration or collusion with the Gurista made not out of any humanitarian or altruistic instincts. If the CPD conducted actions against the Intara Directive Action (A mercenary, armed unit, not a civilian or unarmed organization) then they would have no doubt done so on actionable intelligence and the actions of the Gurista on the behalf of Intara Directive Action appears to allude to just what that intelligence might have been.
I'm certain there will no doubt be further attempts to spin this event into what it is not by State detractors, given the lack of available information, but what appears to be forgotten is that no government provides all information to the public when matters of internal or national security are involved.
I'm also uncertain how seeking to hold the State to the standards of the Federation will actually proselytize citizens towards it. Should we all create protest placards now and hold a picket in Villore?
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
667
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Posted - 2013.01.30 17:56:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Or is the need to apply negative propaganda and spin to this matter by detractors so great even if it means one looks like a fool?
Most likely that, frankly. There's blood in the water, and along come the sharks, who promptly start biting one another when there's no actual prey to be found. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
58
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:11:00 -
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The entity that received sanctuary with the Guristas is no different that the many other sanctioned private armies in the State, or are you implying that the security forces of the Eight are no more than thugs as well?
I also counter the implication that the silence from the agressors constitutes automatic guilt on their targets. It is also quite common for agencies such as them to give themselves a big PR pat on the back for breaking up a large crime ring etc. It is also as common as the silence when things go horribly wrong or actions that are not good are made public. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
169
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:17:00 -
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Gorion Wassenar wrote:The entity that received sanctuary with the Guristas is no different that the many other sanctioned private armies in the State, or are you implying that the security forces of the Eight are no more than thugs as well?
A cheap sophist's trick but no, apples and oranges are not the same even if they're both classified as fruits.
The Intara Directive Action were, yes, probably no better than armed thugs who would make suitable bedfellows with Gurista.
Megacorporate Security are staffed by citizens who seek to defend the rights of their fellow citizens under the laws of their corporation and the Caldari State.
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
58
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:22:00 -
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So, facts become tricks eh?
What is the difference than the scale between them and say, Ishukone Watch? Do you know that each member is in fact a State citizen or not? Or do you know more of this story than you are telling? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
667
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:25:00 -
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Ishukone's not for sale to the highest bidder, for a start. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:32:00 -
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And some of you wonder why these people declined your offers of evacuation. Obviously you are all so cowed into submission to the CPD that you would have handed them over without question the moment you heard Provist boot heels approaching.
Can I see some evidence for your characterization of Intara Directive Action? I have indicated my lack of familiarity with this organization earlier in this discussion. My inquiries and the intel that I've received has stated that the Intara Family are State Citizens in good standing. Obviously not at the level of influence as the "Big Eight" but a corporation with longstanding legitimate participation in the Caldari State. IDA has been characterized as their private military / security force.
Are we to take from this that only the sovereignty of the Megacorps is of any consequence? The thousands of smaller independent or subcontracting corporations in the Caldari States are to be reduced to "thugs" as soon as the CPD attacks them? |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
668
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:35:00 -
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Look them up. their reputation is a matter of public record.
Seriously, I can't do it for you. Look. them. Up. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
58
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:37:00 -
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Ishukone Watch is in fact capable of being bought. Or have you forgotten the failed ORE contract? I also ask, do you know they were for hire or under retainer by the IDA?
The fact of the matter is we do not know why CPD or CalNav forces were directed to atack them and until we do the State's actions are in doubt as to whether it was warranted. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
668
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:45:00 -
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No, intervention by the Watch can be negotiated in much the same manner as any governmental military. While this process is typically calculated to benefit Ishukone's bottom line (see the Intaki contract) there's a difference between negotiated intervention by megacorporate security, and mercenary work. If you're not willing to see that, then I'm not willing to argue it with you - it's a simple fact. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
287
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:58:00 -
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We were engaged in flight operations in-system. We'd heard about Orbital Bombardments aimed at civilians and were patrolling above the districts of the planet (no ships sighted, by the way) when one of our scouts reported a fleet action above the planet.
By the time I arrived our scout, Scherezad, possibly the mildest mannered Loyalist of any faction in the cluster, had already been engaged by the Gurista forces who were in combat with Cal Nav ships. This is not a hard decision to make and doesn't require 'mind control' from CPD.
Gurista Battleships were in orbit around a Caldari world. They were fighting Caldari Navy forces. They aggressed and destroyed our scout.
Of COURSE we came in shooting. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
401
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:18:00 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:And some of you wonder why these people declined your offers of evacuation. Obviously you are all so cowed into submission to the CPD that you would have handed them over without question the moment you heard Provist boot heels approaching.
I can tell you right now that I would never have handed them over to the Provists. As for Stitcher, I don't know for sure, but I would hazard a guess that he wouldn't either. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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