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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:16:00 -
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I bought a Hawk.. I know it's not a harpy but it was cheap. Anyways, this ship is awesome. I'm tanking cruisers better then I did in my battleship, I'm posting this right now as 2 ascribers try they're best to get my shields down.. it's just not gonna happen :p
Not saying it's overpowered .. it's just a lot of fun. great ships.. wish I had trained for them sooner
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"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:19:00 -
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you are welcome 8)
Frigs = fun
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:31:00 -
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Yeah the hawk is great... it can easilly pwn an interceptor like a claw.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:34:00 -
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I think a gistii harpy would own your jagerbomber!
ATM im getting a taranis and making my own, doubt it will fit tho.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cummilla on 12/07/2005 01:51:09
My enyo ownz all ur bases!
btw, did I mention nerfing missile spammers was a helluva indirect boost to enyo guys :)
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Alazais
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Posted - 2005.07.12 02:10:00 -
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Enyo 4tw! I love AF, i tanked a Prophecy once in that beauty. So long as AF remain slow they'll not be too overpowered.
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Alazais
Enyo 4tw! I love AF, i tanked a Prophecy once in that beauty. So long as AF remain slow they'll not be too overpowered.
Ever though about MWDs on an assault ship? I know i have. Got one sitting in my home base just waiting for my training to finish and I can strap that bad boy to my wolf.
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Rocket Revenger
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:20:00 -
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MWD on an assault frig is bad, mkay?
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:22:00 -
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Perhaps, but I'd reather fit it and see.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk
Perhaps, but I'd reather fit it and see.
Take a ship which uses its frigate characteristics to avoid heavy fire and paint a nice MWD 'shoot HERE' sign on it?
And crippling your cap (and by extension, your tank) is another brilliant idea.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.07.12 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk
Perhaps, but I'd reather fit it and see.
Thats your AF so it your right to do it 
PS MWD is not way to go especially after missile changes.
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Baddy
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:02:00 -
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enyo+MWD=4tw
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
Edited by: Cummilla on 12/07/2005 01:51:09
My enyo ownz all ur bases!
btw, did I mention nerfing missile spammers was a helluva indirect boost to enyo guys :)
Except for my hawk  . With or without Gistii, it has to be one of the best AF v AF ships out there
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:13:00 -
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1. Sig Radius Penalty
2. Cap Penalty
3. Waste of a Mid Slot
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:20:00 -
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The cap penalty is what will really bite on AF imo, especially when you don't want to fill your lows with cap relays
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:26:00 -
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Harpy is a great WTFPWN ship for killing frigs and Inties, but the Hawk is not a ship to be underestimated versus other AFs. With its excellent tank and ability to switch damage types, it can take damage while exploiting an enemy AFs weakness.
Not to mention it's so much cheaper! And looks better in my opinion...
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.12 07:02:00 -
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yeah, the cap I have now is just enough to keep my hawk alive. MWD would make the ship suck
AB might have it's uses but I've been using nothing at all. 1 kenetic and 1 thermal hardner gives me something like 85 and 90% resistances.
heavy missiles were doing 4dmg to me while I wasn't moving :D
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I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Alazais
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Posted - 2005.07.12 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Alazais on 12/07/2005 07:05:20
Edited by: Alazais on 12/07/2005 07:05:03
MWD on AF isn't always a bad move, i always have one on my Enyo and it owns, however... you have to be careful with it ofc as it sucks cap and putting one on my Enyo means i can't have a warp scrambler as the 2nd med slot is reserved for a webby.
However i never take that setup out solo or i'd never catch anything :P
Once you're 500m away using blasters and have your target webbied there usually really isn't much he can do, this is great against other AF, especially a Harpy, its ripped through most Harpy's i've fought like wet tissue paper.
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Asnar
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Posted - 2005.07.12 07:07:00 -
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The mass of a AF makes it so that using a mwd tends to be a rather poor idea. It's got it's uses, but it's the most heavily penalized ship class for using it.
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.07.12 10:08:00 -
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i use a harpy as a sort of heavy tackler and get a depressing 1600 speed using a mwd2. but it paints you like a biatch.
use a afterburner instead. no so much sdpeed but no sig penalty
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zoturi
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Posted - 2005.07.12 10:15:00 -
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enyo or retribution?
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MEISAPI RAT
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Posted - 2005.07.12 10:35:00 -
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tough call. in my opinion they are equal.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.07.12 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: zoturi
enyo or retribution?
enyo has a bit more of flexibility (2 meds), but the retri can tank like hell...
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:17:00 -
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The retribution is a tiny spankageddon. As soon as I board the ship it starts screaming for more heatsink 2s 
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Arcas Kett
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rocket Revenger
MWD on an assault frig is bad, mkay?
Each to there own, i personally swear by them. Anyone tried fitting an enyo to be as fast as a ceptor?
o mi the fun you have :) you can feel the shock of the ceptor pilot ha!
Gist mwd and nano's 4tw! 
Am training for the harpy next, then the Wolf guna fly them all duno why people shield tank the harpy  i got a few ideas for that ship
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Firearrow91
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:34:00 -
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I really like the look of these ships and I am thinking of training for an Ishkur. Are these any good? or should I go for an Enyo?
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Ascy
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:44:00 -
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I like to fly a Vengeance, the ship can do heavy damage with medium pulse laser 2 and the launcher, u can fit a AB, web and a scrambler and in the low slots a Small T2 repper, thermal hardener and a mixro auxilliary power core.
You can kill Intys very fast, the most time i kill claws and stilletos.
They alway think that they could kill me easy if i warp to 15km to a gate and when they want to move into close combat with the autocannons i will web and kill them without loosing much shields.
The Vengeance is very intersting against Hawks or Harpys...if i could kill the shield the Caldari AF loose.
Never lose a Vengeance against a Caldari AF.
But what can i do with a Retribution, the ship has only one med slots, what could i fit?
i need a webber to hit the enemy very well but without scrambler they can run away so the retribution is a gang ship you need a fast Inty so scramble and web a enemy and you can do fast great damage.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: zoturi
enyo or retribution?
I've flown both and think they are pretty similar, well at least for doing missions and fighting npc's. I use 125mm on enyo and dual light beams on the retri, both give me about 10km optimal although the falloff is shorter on the beams so gunwise I prefer the Enyo. The Enyo is also faster. The Retribution however tanks a little better, it has awesome resistances and nice cap.
All in all I'm sticking to my Retribution for a while before I move to Hawk, all races frig to level 5 4tw \o/
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.07.12 11:55:00 -
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Did they unnerf medium pulse lasers 2with the patch?
I found out today that i can fit 4 of them without micro aux power core one my tanked retribution now.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2005.07.12 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: MOS DEF
Did they unnerf medium pulse lasers 2with the patch?
I found out today that i can fit 4 of them without micro aux power core one my tanked retribution now.
When ever was that impossible`?
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Ante
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Posted - 2005.07.12 12:40:00 -
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I haven't played with offlining mwds in a while, but couldn't you just use the mwd for a burst over to your target and then offline it? That way you're getting the speed, not taking a cap hit for long and the 'kick me' sign on your back isn't there for long.
You'd have to do this carefully of course because you might still need to hop on over to another target after the first one is kaput.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Firearrow91
I really like the look of these ships and I am thinking of training for an Ishkur. Are these any good? or should I go for an Enyo?
I think the Enyo is the better ship overall, but with some out-of-the box thinking I think the Ishkur can be evil. I've flown and like both, though to be honest I haven't found an Ishkur setup I'm totally happy with yet.
About MWDs: generally I subscribe to the "no MWDs on AF" opinion, but they can be useful now and then. Never discount the surprise factor, everyone expects AFs to not have an MWD (like they expect all inties to have an MWD). In both cases, expectations can get you killed  . In addition, if you're flying a blaster AF in pvp (risky), an MWD can make sense in a "no guts, no glory" kind of way. So don't dismiss it out of hand, play around and test things out.
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Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:06:00 -
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Your Scourge Heavy Missile hits Baddy, doing 12.3 damage
Originally by: Baddy
enyo+MWD=4tw
Your Scourge Heavy Missile hits Baddy, doing 234.1 damage....
I hope u tank the 1200 dmg, that the first 5 missiles will do, now you got 5.4 seconds to repair them
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Antic
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:49:00 -
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harpy or hawk? :/ Thats the question :P
whats the pro conns of em?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.12 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arcas Kett
Each to there own, i personally swear by them. Anyone tried fitting an enyo to be as fast as a ceptor?
o mi the fun you have :) you can feel the shock of the ceptor pilot ha!
Gist mwd and nano's 4tw!
If by "as fast as an inteceptor" you mean "as fast as a taranis somehow fitting 3 plates," then ok. Enyos are crazy slow, even with mwd and 4 nanos I doubt you could hit 3km/sec, and then you have no tank and any inty would just kill you.
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Arcas Kett
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:27:00 -
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no way would an untanked inty beat an untank AF. I dont tank my enyo neither add to its dmg - only time ive ever lost it was to 2 ranis nos'ing my cap to hell.
ive over 60 inty kills with my lush enyo setup.
You can get it damned fast with gist mwd and lvl 5 nav skills Acceleration control etc
Most inty's dont carry a tank other than your claw. And i feel confident when i get the harpy id take your purty claw down
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:57:00 -
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I own and fly them all...
Ishkur is one fun ship... the drone are the best.. Get AF Skill to 4 or 5 and you will see what I mean.
Enyo is fun and tanks great...
Retriubtion is the mini Geddon...Great Boat...just the single Mid can be pain in the "bleep".....
Vengence has the power of triple mids...
Hawk is the mad shield tanker and has the advantage of changing damage types with ease..
Harpy just lays down focued fire with much pain on your opponent...
Wolf..is the one volley (or so) ganka ceptor boat...
Jaguar is the support version of the Wolf...little less bang under the hood...
Have fun... AF's are great
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
I think a gistii harpy would own your jagerbomber!
ATM im getting a taranis and making my own, doubt it will fit tho.
Hes killed a couple of those gisti harpies
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: benwallace
Originally by: Hamatitio
I think a gistii harpy would own your jagerbomber!
ATM im getting a taranis and making my own, doubt it will fit tho.
Hes killed a couple of those gisti harpies
No I haven't ****.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Antic
harpy or hawk? :/ Thats the question :P
whats the pro conns of em?
The Harpy is the heavy instant hitter... provided your target doesn't get under your guns or MWDs outside of web range.
The Harpy has an incredible range, so it's probably the best AF for fleet battles where you have to take out interceptors and where transversal velocity won't mean much since guns always hit at range.
It's also the best choice for missions when assisting BSs if you like grouping for missions.
The Hawk is the best choice against MWDing interceptors because, even if your guns can't hit, the missiles will hit for decent damage and since the Hawk doesn't have that silly kinetic bonus it is safe to load a launcher with EM and the other with explo and only switch one ammo if appropriate.
Before patch, I could take a Harpy or Enyo on with my Hawk provided they didn't have MWD (which was a very good option for frigate warfare) or Gistii shield booster.
Now, I don't think a Hawk can take assault frigates on anymore since the light missiles will do a fraction of the damage of guns.
Testings and fittings wellcome.
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