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Sovereign Solette
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:15:00 -
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I have been going over some forum topics and the feeling I get is that New Eden feels/is getting small! Possibly due to all the corps taking all the space sovereignty maybe?
What do you think? Any ideas of space expansion or reconnection with the milky way :) |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:20:00 -
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There is a LOT of space out there that is all but empty. Seriously, I can go days in some systems without seeing another soul... "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
1846
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:24:00 -
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5000 Known space systems. 2500 W-space systems.
Define small please.
I know a shitload of systems where you will be the only person in local chat (known space).
So EVE is not too small. If this is some covert alt posting about the big blue donut...fail. Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:06:00 -
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What may be needed is a way to 'free up' systems which are claimed, but not actually used.
Something easier than the mind numbing grind that's taking down a TCU. But that's a sov update. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Sovereign Solette
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:14:00 -
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Yea, I think it was something related to current sov status that I picked up on New Eden being too small. Reading this 20 page thread on it, quite interesting lol |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:39:00 -
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Wait...what...A GD thread and interesting read, something really went wrong while I was on my ban Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
151
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:57:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Wait...what...A GD thread and interesting read, something really went wrong while I was on my ban I was wondering why there had been a lack of... Something |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:04:00 -
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Sovereign Solette wrote:I have been going over some forum topics and the feeling I get is that New Eden feels/is getting small! Possibly due to all the corps taking all the space sovereignty maybe?
What do you think? Any ideas of space expansion or reconnection with the milky way :)
The issue is not that New Eden is too small. When traveling through 0.0, you can go 4, 5, 6, systems seeing no one, then see 1 or 2 people, then another half dozen jumps with no one.
i think the problem is that people expect to be kings in a day. EVE is very feudal. Kings have lots of Dukes. Each Duke has lots of Lords. The kings and dukes can't just let anyone set up in their area. If they did, how would they keep their current underlings in line?
You don't "carve out a place in EVE" on your own. You stat as a serf, maybe move up to Lord. Before you can become a Duke... well, better not have a life outside of EVE.
You are certainly not going to be King in a day. |
Tubrug1
The League of Gentlemenly Gentlemen
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Posted - 2013.02.05 21:50:00 -
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There's plenty of space in nullsec, it's just the alliances with little lebensraum that moan about it. In need of another generic blog to follow? Try this one www.tubrug1.blogspot.com |
Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:29:00 -
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"But then mynnna has a suggestion for us: either throw our lot in with one large ally (someone remind me how this worked out for Gentlemen's Club or Intrepid Crossing) or build an army out of like-sized small alliances to challenge a large alliance. This latter suggestion strikes me as roughly analogous to the continent of South America declaring war on the United States because their populations are roughly equal, forgetting the advantage the latter has in doctrine, discipline, communications, and technology." Jester
Yes, Eve IS too small ... for new players. There may be lots of sand on the beach but some few groups have laid claim to the whole of it. Doesn't make going to the beach all that much fun.
Yes, I'd like to see Eve connected to the "Milky Way." Perhaps some recursive (an Eve within an Eve) Exploration adaptation via wormholes. In other words, so much beach that it is impossible to see it all let alone claim it all.
Oscillate all EVE systems (-1.0-áthrough 1.0, and back) over a ten year period; modified +/- by # of pod kills. Disentrench the older players! Improve game dynamic.
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Sovereign Solette
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:38:00 -
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I remember seeing the Star Sonata (another space MMO) maps - f*** they were huge!!!! And not only that, there were "multiple layers" of equally huge maps. It felt like an adventure... |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:46:00 -
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Herbinator d'Arcadie wrote:"But then mynnna has a suggestion for us: either throw our lot in with one large ally (someone remind me how this worked out for Gentlemen's Club or Intrepid Crossing) or build an army out of like-sized small alliances to challenge a large alliance. This latter suggestion strikes me as roughly analogous to the continent of South America declaring war on the United States because their populations are roughly equal, forgetting the advantage the latter has in doctrine, discipline, communications, and technology." Jester
Yes, Eve IS too small ... for new players. There may be lots of sand on the beach but some few groups have laid claim to the whole of it. Doesn't make going to the beach all that much fun.
Yes, I'd like to see Eve connected to the "Milky Way." Perhaps some recursive (an Eve within an Eve) Exploration adaptation via wormholes. In other words, so much beach that it is impossible to see it all let alone claim it all.
Days and days without even seeing anyone else. Fun game that. NOT. |
Milan Nantucket
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:50:00 -
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No it's true... I sat on this gate for days and no one came threw... accept a br here and there... |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.02.05 22:51:00 -
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Sov too small for you? Invade a different region, or move to w-Space.
Your tiny corner of the game being small isn't really the same thing as the entire game being too small. Hell, there are even systems in _high sec_ that are practically deserted. |
Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:28:00 -
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Being in near-empty space would be a voluntary thing, where it to happen. A good place for small corps to learn and discover. Original Eve space would still exist (for yous).
Instead of recursive space, one could simply have a "stellar drive" or some such thing, and live in all that dead space between systems. One could fly over the course of several days to any system, then. Avoids gates. Perhaps even live in the dead of space.
In any case, Eve, from my perspective, is ever so small and constrained.
Oscillate all EVE systems (-1.0-áthrough 1.0, and back) over a ten year period; modified +/- by # of pod kills. Disentrench the older players! Improve game dynamic.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:35:00 -
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The actual size of new eden is just about right....
There are some mechanics that make it feel small though...
Have you ever played the Elder Scrolls games.... They often feel huge, taking a long time to walk/run from town to town to town... and then you learn about "fast travel" and suddenly the world seems small because you can instantly cover that distance very quickly... EvE is the same way...
Capital Ships with Jump Drives, Jump Bridges, Titan Bridges, Death cloning, and Jump Cloning allow pilots to quickly travel from one end of the universe to the next without having to tread through the gazillion dangerous in-between zones... This makes the EvE universe feel small... when in actuality it's not... |
Sin Pew
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.06 08:30:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: The actual size of new eden is just about right....
There are some mechanics that make it feel small though...
Have you ever played the Elder Scrolls games.... They often feel huge, taking a long time to walk/run from town to town to town... and then you learn about "fast travel" and suddenly the world seems small because you can instantly cover that distance very quickly... EvE is the same way...
Capital Ships with Jump Drives, Jump Bridges, Titan Bridges, Death cloning, and Jump Cloning allow pilots to quickly travel from one end of the universe to the next without having to tread through the gazillion dangerous in-between zones... This makes the EvE universe feel small... when in actuality it's not...
This, and even with those mechanisms, I find EVE too big. Just leave high-sec. Heck, even w-space was less scary than null-sec, since local doesn't display who's in the system, so you always expect there's someone actually around, cloaked, ready to jump you. Forget about GD, it's nothing but a tabloid with flashy titles to attract trolls and is partly fuelled by meta-gaming attempts. You should really take it with a handful of salt, not just a grain. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:42:00 -
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Nope,
High sec needs to be made more dynamic, so that people don't constantly gather around the same systems.
0.0 people just need to sack up and fight for their space. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
1846
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:26:00 -
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Sin Pew wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote: The actual size of new eden is just about right....
There are some mechanics that make it feel small though...
Have you ever played the Elder Scrolls games.... They often feel huge, taking a long time to walk/run from town to town to town... and then you learn about "fast travel" and suddenly the world seems small because you can instantly cover that distance very quickly... EvE is the same way...
Capital Ships with Jump Drives, Jump Bridges, Titan Bridges, Death cloning, and Jump Cloning allow pilots to quickly travel from one end of the universe to the next without having to tread through the gazillion dangerous in-between zones... This makes the EvE universe feel small... when in actuality it's not...
This, and even with those mechanisms, I find EVE too big. Just leave high-sec. Heck, even w-space was less scary than null-sec, since local doesn't display who's in the system, so you always expect there's someone actually around, cloaked, ready to jump you. Forget about GD, it's nothing but a tabloid with flashy titles to attract trolls and is partly fuelled by meta-gaming attempts. You should really take it with buckets of salt, not just a grain.
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