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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:13:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:tgl3 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this?
You will still have the Carrier skill trained, so you can fly the ship. What you may NOT be able to do, is train the Carrier skill further. But I do have the carrier skill... and can easily fly EVERY CARRIER In the game simply by training it now..... To put it blatantly.... Today, I CAN FLY any regular carrier in this game.... (although I've only skill trained on the archon). I do NOT have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC.... With the changes, I could NOT FLY a regular carrier when the skiil changes happen.... This is a direct contradiction to the quote: If you can fly it today, you can fly it tomorrow.... How does CCP plan to address this? *Edit* I misread the post above me.... so I could continue to fly the archon.... I just wouldn't be able to further train it until the new prereqs gett trained? You have Amarr Carrier injected, you should be able to get better at it.
If you do not have Minmatar Carrier injected before the change, you would not be able to inject the skill until you trained all the new prereqs. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Rain6639
Team Evil
185
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:15:00 -
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hah. two days before a definite date is announced, I finished BC V, Cruisers III, Destroyers V, Frigates IV across all accounts, most recently the two newest. heh. EDM? you mean EFM |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1698
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:17:00 -
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Max McKeigh wrote:Alright, according to evemon and evehq, the current training time to sit a new character in a carrier with cal IV and fuel III, no other skills, just take it to the end of the driveway to get the mail, based on their '20 attribute across the board' model, would be 184-186 days. If their image shows the correct new train time, 146, this means an almost 40 day reduction. Which there is no way to stretch that into 'Similar training times' without suffering severe head trauma.
It's been a good while since we caught some newb in a carrier ratting in lowsec. I welcome this buff to lowsec. :)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Jacob D'Argo
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:20:00 -
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Alcius wrote:For me it looks like the promise GÇ£if you could fly it before, you can fly it nowGÇ¥ is broken here in big parts. **/snip, because you shouldn't have to suffer the rest of his idiocy**
EVE University: The best and the brightest.
Did you even read the Dev Blog? Did you read the very detailed example they put at the bottom of the Dev Blog? They did everything but provide an EVEMon skill plan that you can use to maximize the benefit from the pending changes, and you still don't get it.
At this point, and because I'm jaded, I can't possibly think of you as anything other than a troll, because no one could possibly be that obtuse. |
Zenathar
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:24:00 -
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Looking for a little bit of clarification here in regards to the new JDC 3 and JFC 4 requirements for the carriers/supercarriers. Since many holding toons for supers do not have either jump drive calibration or jump fuel conservation, will these changes have an effect on the holders ability to enter and leave the ship at will? as in if the holder hands the ship off to another character will it be able to get back into the ship at a later time without having jump drive calibration or jump fuel conservation? or will it be that as long as the character has the carrier skill it can enter and leave the ship at will? This may be a case of repition in this thread because i missed something previously posted...in that case my bad :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3692
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:25:00 -
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Since you were too lazy to look for the answer, I'll be too lazy to give you another one. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
trumpet7347
Death Incarnate Elite Iron Cross Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:27:00 -
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I want to make sure I'm reading this correctly. I currently have BC 5 and Command Ship 4, as well as all the racial cruisers up to at least 3. From what I see, when the patch comes out, I will be able to fly ANY, of the command ships, and not just the one I can fly currently. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3692
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:29:00 -
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trumpet7347 wrote:I want to make sure I'm reading this correctly. I currently have BC 5 and Command Ship 4, as well as all the racial cruisers up to at least 3. From what I see, when the patch comes out, I will be able to fly ANY, of the command ships, and not just the one I can fly currently. Yes Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
847
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:34:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:ORCACommander wrote:You need a blurb in there about where to apply for reimbursement and when you want us to apply. No need to apply, the new skills will be done and placed in your head automagically.
Man, I wish you guys ran a college. |
Intex Encapor
15
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:37:00 -
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BenFranklin wrote:So basically I can fly every ship i could fly before - only that my clone upgrade costs now 20 Mil instead of 13 like before at my current skillpoint due to the additional skillpoints that were added.
Costs for clones already suck now - in summer they will suck even more and makes pvp'ing with cheap ships for older characters even more unattractive than it is now.
pretty much |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3693
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:40:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2470190#post2470190
CCP Fozzie wrote:I'm Down wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. I'm working on the next version of the BC changes now, but in the meantime two quick things to update. Since we've announced it in CCP Seagull's Devblog, I can let you all know that the Combat BC balance pass is scheduled for the Retribution 1.1 patch on February 12th. To reiterate, the skill split will not be happening in this patch. That change is currently scheduled for our major summer expansion. We're also in the process of putting these changes on a public test server for you guys to play with them. Expect more news on that in the next day or so. There will definitely be changes between this posted design and what releases in 1.1, but for now the test server will have the same versions as this thread's OP. When we update the designs we'll get those onto the test server as well asap. You still haven't addressed the problems that the skill changes will make to cloning, clone cost, upgrades and the possible skill losses from players who die after the changes with out dated clones thanks to the potential 6 million addtional skill points. We have some plans to help mitigate those challenges but nothing quite ready to announce yet.
Would you care to comment or are you still not ready? Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
33
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:42:00 -
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Looks like my bespoke Freighter alt needs to do some training before the summer. Shame he's currently training up Orca. Wasted skills all round. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
314
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:52:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:Question!
Quote: "If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed."
Let's say I'm training a character for...whatever role. And I have all Racial Cruiser skills at level 1 and have Battlecruisers at level 5, do I get reimbursed for just the SP I trained, or do I get the potential SP of the 4 Racial Battlecruisers put into the free allocation pool?
You would get the existing points from the BC skill put into the pool, not 4x the existing points.
In this case it would be most productive to get all 4 racial Cruiser skills to level 3 prior to the change. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
323
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:57:00 -
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Something that hasn't been repeated in here. These changes are for the summer, not next week.
That's 4 months to train things if you're really worried about prereqs, even though they shouldn't be an issue. As well, the battleship changes have been pinned to the summer by Fozzie. However, based on what came out in retribution, I wouldn't be surprised if we also get the industrials and possibly a few of the T2 classes.
Sure, the current Iteron I-IV will be useless, but the new ones probably won't be. DirectX 11, it's not rocket appliance! |
Omega Tron
12
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:59:00 -
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My .... My.... My....
The numerious tears of all you who are calling this as "Bull Sh*t" is better than any I've seen on the forms for sometime now. Please continue... This is the best read I've had here in a long time. Thank you. Back to reading.... My view of EVE and I don't-álike it.-á-á-á-á EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 7: 100% Nullsec residents.-á-á EVE demographics vs CSM demographics -- Worried ? I am the majority of players of EVE -- A solo HiSec-áplayer ONLY!!! |
Kalenn Istarion
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:04:00 -
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CCP RubberBAND wrote:Sarmatiko wrote: Can you please answer directly: do we have to train skill prerequisites to progress in that skill? To level Freighters V without Advanced Spaceships Command V, or to maximize Command ships V without all those useless links? I dont worry about "you will able to fly" thing. I want to know if I need to maximize skills now to skip useless skills that you introduced as prerequisites for command ships today.
Independent of ships if the skill training requirements change, then yes. In order to train those skills after the expansion hits you will need those skills trained. So for the Fenrir you will need to first have Advanced Spaceship Command at level V before you can start training Minmatar Freighter, but the prerequisite for that skill has changed.
I'm not sure that really answers what he's asking. Maybe this has been answered later in the thread but the real catch is, if I have a skill injected and partially trained (say level 3), do I then need the new pre-reqs to train it to level 4? Or can I train any injected skill regardless if its prereqs change down the road? Try Harder. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3506
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:06:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2470190#post2470190 CCP Fozzie wrote:I'm Down wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. I'm working on the next version of the BC changes now, but in the meantime two quick things to update. Since we've announced it in CCP Seagull's Devblog, I can let you all know that the Combat BC balance pass is scheduled for the Retribution 1.1 patch on February 12th. To reiterate, the skill split will not be happening in this patch. That change is currently scheduled for our major summer expansion. We're also in the process of putting these changes on a public test server for you guys to play with them. Expect more news on that in the next day or so. There will definitely be changes between this posted design and what releases in 1.1, but for now the test server will have the same versions as this thread's OP. When we update the designs we'll get those onto the test server as well asap. You still haven't addressed the problems that the skill changes will make to cloning, clone cost, upgrades and the possible skill losses from players who die after the changes with out dated clones thanks to the potential 6 million addtional skill points. We have some plans to help mitigate those challenges but nothing quite ready to announce yet. Would you care to comment or are you still not ready? You probably think me heartless for saying this, but really all I think they should do is have an announcement pop up the first time you log into a character saying to be sure and check your clone level vs your esperience point level as there may have been changes.
Give it a check box perhaps to not pop up again, or simply leave it at a one time only pop up per character.
If you ignore the reminder, that's on you from that point on. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
314
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:08:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:BenFranklin wrote:So basically I can fly every ship i could fly before - only that my clone upgrade costs now 20 Mil instead of 13 like before at my current skillpoint due to the additional skillpoints that were added.
Costs for clones already suck now - in summer they will suck even more and makes pvp'ing with cheap ships for older characters even more unattractive than it is now. pretty much Stealth ISK sink. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3695
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:10:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:You probably think me heartless for saying this, but really all I think they should do is have an announcement pop up the first time you log into a character saying to be sure and check your clone level vs your esperience point level as there may have been changes.
Give it a check box perhaps to not pop up again, or simply leave it at a one time only pop up per character.
If you ignore the reminder, that's on you from that point on. So just for clarification, you're essentially throwing yourself in with the "clone costs are fine" crowd? Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
13
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:23:00 -
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Apologies if this has been asked/answered already:
But for those of us that trained up BS to V to fly capital ships (or any other skill training such as this), are we to get reimbursement for the time/SP trained that you are now nerfing? Because what you're doing is making it easier for new people to get into these ships, while we spent all this time training for them in the first place, so shouldn't we get some form of SP reimbursement/compensation for this? Are we going to see this, or is it only for the racial Destroyers and BC skills? |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3695
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:25:00 -
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Tobin Shalim wrote:Apologies if this has been asked/answered already:
But for those of us that trained up BS to V to fly capital ships (or any other skill training such as this), are we to get reimbursement for the time/SP trained that you are now nerfing? Because what you're doing is making it easier for new people to get into these ships, while we spent all this time training for them in the first place, so shouldn't we get some form of SP reimbursement/compensation for this? Are we going to see this, or is it only for the racial Destroyers and BC skills? No skills are being reimbursed. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
131
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:26:00 -
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Are clone prices ever going to get looked at? I fly t1 frigates, but my clone costs 45m or something unless I go looking for L5 FW medical bay. |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
359
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:27:00 -
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Tobin Shalim wrote:Apologies if this has been asked/answered already:
But for those of us that trained up BS to V to fly capital ships (or any other skill training such as this), are we to get reimbursement for the time/SP trained that you are now nerfing? Because what you're doing is making it easier for new people to get into these ships, while we spent all this time training for them in the first place, so shouldn't we get some form of SP reimbursement/compensation for this? Are we going to see this, or is it only for the racial Destroyers and BC skills? No. Things like this happen routinely and you never get sp back. The destroyers/BC situation is different because it would result in a situation where someone who was previously able to fly the ship would now be unable to fly it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3506
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:27:00 -
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BenFranklin wrote:So basically I can fly every ship i could fly before - only that my clone upgrade costs now 20 Mil instead of 13 like before at my current skillpoint due to the additional skillpoints that were added.
Costs for clones already suck now - in summer they will suck even more and makes pvp'ing with cheap ships for older characters even more unattractive than it is now. So far this is the only (small) legitimate gripe I see.
I'm slowly leaning more and more to a different system for clone costs, one that doesn't make flying cheap ships (or cross training another race) more than a bit absurb for older characters.
Perhaps that would be a good, small, issue to also tackle in the summer expansion. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3506
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:You probably think me heartless for saying this, but really all I think they should do is have an announcement pop up the first time you log into a character saying to be sure and check your clone level vs your esperience point level as there may have been changes.
Give it a check box perhaps to not pop up again, or simply leave it at a one time only pop up per character.
If you ignore the reminder, that's on you from that point on. So just for clarification, you're essentially throwing yourself in with the "clone costs are fine" crowd? No, I'd actually like the current clone cost system to be changed at the same time.
However I recognize that may very well not happen... so under the current system I think this would be the simple and effective way to handle it.
Really, if you get a pop up the first time you log into each character reminding you to check your clone, I don't have a lot of sympathy for those that ignore it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Hong Hu
EVE University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:32:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
If CCP does make it so "you can fly what you could before" but not skill up further without all the pre-req met then I think CCP addresses the effort and time spent by high SP players without penalizing folks who have a minimum necessary for a given ship.
I hope CCP stays with this idea.
Regards,
Hong Hu |
DancesWithVeldspar
Raven's Toy Production
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:44:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Nightlund Audeles wrote:Oh and another thing, I would like to have the time spent training to mining barge V back please since you are removing it and making it way to easy to fly an Orca. Nope, sorry Mining Barge V is useful to get Exhumers however. Don't you like the soft, hypnotizing hum of Strip Miners? Dssssshh dssssshhh dsssssssh dssssssshhhh dsssssssshhhh.
Sure, but I have alts to do that for me. At the very least, please could you transfer some of my Mining Barge 5 to ORE Industrial 3? I am never going to need Mining Barge 5 but I might have a bad day and need ORE Industrial 3. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
442
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:45:00 -
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Palovana wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:Question!
Quote: "If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed."
Let's say I'm training a character for...whatever role. And I have all Racial Cruiser skills at level 1 and have Battlecruisers at level 5, do I get reimbursed for just the SP I trained, or do I get the potential SP of the 4 Racial Battlecruisers put into the free allocation pool? You would get the existing points from the BC skill put into the pool, not 4x the existing points. In this case it would be most productive to get all 4 racial Cruiser skills to level 3 prior to the change. OK, just wondering. But I'd still like a DEV to confirm, otherwise I'll bog up the petition system a lil bit... *insert witty saying here* twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
MagnusBraxx
Algorab Technology Mistakes Were Made.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:51:00 -
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I truly believe that some of you ccp guys are ********, especialy ccp fozzie. |
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm. WHY so Seri0Us
39
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:52:00 -
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Why would you not change the jump drive skills to not require jdo 5. Capital Storm is recruiting Aussies for Nullsec pvp and money making. Join "Capital Storm Pub" channel ingame. www.capitalstorm.net |
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