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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3507
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:02:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Bane Necran wrote:but i'm sure you don't want to do that. truth be told, i'd rather watch a wow pvp video than an eve one. mainly because things are actually happening rather than watching a blob of pink boxes cluster the screen for 15 mins then the video ends after nothing seems to have happened. however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos. I hate those. That being said, there are many that give you a really good look at what is going on... you just have to look for them. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3507
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:04:00 -
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Quote:The great and awesome thing about WoW is, its flooded with people who dont take it too serious and dont compare it to RL, sov holding alliances sadly have lost touch with reality
Not to step on your toes, but in my experience most large null sec sov holders have their heads on pretty straight about keeping things on a "it's just a game" level. It seems to be individuals with an overblown sense of entitilement that take things too personally. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
210
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:14:00 -
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EVE is the only game, aside from hardcore role playing, where I've seen so many get so pissed at what other people find fun. |
Kate stark
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Kate stark wrote:Bane Necran wrote:but i'm sure you don't want to do that. truth be told, i'd rather watch a wow pvp video than an eve one. mainly because things are actually happening rather than watching a blob of pink boxes cluster the screen for 15 mins then the video ends after nothing seems to have happened. however, no, i don't want to watch wow videos. I hate those. That being said, there are many that give you a really good look at what is going on... you just have to look for them.
and that's still very little. |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
940
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:53:00 -
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You know, I did a short stint as a WOW GM back in 06, and I can't tell you how many people who were getting ganked into oblivion I had to tell 'make some friends and fight back'.
Getting tired of that was why I discovered EVE, I had some co-workers tell me about it and I was hooked because the EVE rules blatantly told you that you needed to HTFU Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
242
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:57:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more stuff than me because you have more friends" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the PVP sandbox, but I haven't played any other MMOs.
I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?
Isn't so.
Something very evaluable in EVE is just the fact that do not offer a vertical gameplay progression, and consequently no unique endgame. Also EVE is not based on "content" in the tradional sense, contents are generated by player interactions.
All this in contrast to other games where, is only a matter of time, everyone have to progress toward the same endgame.
EVE system let you free to pickup your gameplay, set your goald and in case also change them dinamically, or set no goal at all. Only a fraction of EVE players is involved in large numbers organization, it's a matter of preferences; but the game It's always enjoyable in the same way and you can have the same stuff: I think some of the richest player in EVE are industrialist playing mostly in solo or not intersted in being part of large groups
Then, of course, if you're interested in game scenarios based on number of players then "having more friends" (as yous ay) become relevant of course.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
604
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:04:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content. Your story contradicts itself in that you still had to have 24 other people doing the instance for you. Also I'd be hard pressed to believe that in eve during several hundred person battles there are no somewhat ineffective (or at times AFK) individuals present. |
El Cymech
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:17:00 -
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It is the same with other MMOs and real life, it's all one big game of "keeping up with the jones family." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2013.02.08 00:47:00 -
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El Cymech wrote:It is the same with other MMOs and real life, it's all one big game of "keeping up with the jones family." Fancy spacecoffins that you'll then never log in to use. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
974
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Posted - 2013.02.08 01:10:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Isn't so.
Something very evaluable in EVE is just the fact that do not offer a vertical gameplay progression, and consequently no unique endgame. Also EVE is not based on "content" in the tradional sense, contents are generated by player interactions.
All this in contrast to other games where, is only a matter of time, everyone have to progress toward the same endgame.
EVE system let you free to pickup your gameplay, set your goald and in case also change them dinamically, or set no goal at all. Only a fraction of EVE players is involved in large numbers organization, it's a matter of preferences; but the game It's always enjoyable in the same way and you can have the same stuff: I think some of the richest player in EVE are industrialist playing mostly in solo or not intersted in being part of large groups
Then, of course, if you're interested in game scenarios based on number of players then "having more friends" (as yous ay) become relevant of course. Pick one: 1. English isn't my first language. 2. I'm typing on a cellphone. 3. I'm typing too fast. 4. I didn't bother to use a spellchecker.
Any combination of two (or more) of those four options results in a post that is indecipherable by the native English speaker. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1086
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Posted - 2013.02.08 01:19:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content.
i clicked "join fleet" then went afk, and let 400 other people kill everything for me. Shocking how this can happen in Eve as well.
Even still this whole thread is dumb.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2013.02.08 06:08:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more stuff than me because you have more friends" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the PVP sandbox, but I haven't played any other MMOs.
I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?
Is it just EVE . . . or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more space ponies than me because you have more intelligence" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the solar flares, but I haven't played any other MMOs.
I don't get it. Why do PVPers feel that all content should be available to every player, without patience and without intelligence?
Did I do it right? |
Cpt Roghie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:31:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content. i clicked "join fleet" then went afk, and let 400 other people kill everything for me. Shocking how this can happen in Eve as well. Even still this whole thread is dumb.
Top #1 Carebear right here.
This could be fun. |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:03:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Kate stark wrote:did you even try? There's all kinds of relevant ones there out of the 242 returns. I was even giving you a break by limiting it to the last month. Try searching 'any time' if you need to, but i'm sure you don't want to do that. Actually, "world of warcraft greifing" has even more results for 'any time'.
removing "of" removes just over 10k of those. |
Xanthe Isgar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:15:00 -
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Diesel Phumes wrote:WoW is absolutely absurd.
Fixed. |
Arcelian
House of Praetor R O G U E
1
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:17:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:Isn't so.
Something very evaluable in EVE is just the fact that do not offer a vertical gameplay progression, and consequently no unique endgame. Also EVE is not based on "content" in the tradional sense, contents are generated by player interactions.
All this in contrast to other games where, is only a matter of time, everyone have to progress toward the same endgame.
EVE system let you free to pickup your gameplay, set your goald and in case also change them dinamically, or set no goal at all. Only a fraction of EVE players is involved in large numbers organization, it's a matter of preferences; but the game It's always enjoyable in the same way and you can have the same stuff: I think some of the richest player in EVE are industrialist playing mostly in solo or not intersted in being part of large groups
Then, of course, if you're interested in game scenarios based on number of players then "having more friends" (as yous ay) become relevant of course. Pick one: 1. English isn't my first language. 2. I'm typing on a cellphone. 3. I'm typing too fast. 4. I didn't bother to use a spellchecker. Any combination of two (or more) of those four options results in a post that is indecipherable by the native English speaker. E: I say this because I am actually interested in what you have to say. You seem to have a head on your shoulders, even though I don't (think I) agree with you.
I had no problem reading what he posted. Also, I believe he is correct.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1045
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:40:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more stuff than me because you have more friends" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the PVP sandbox, but I haven't played any other MMOs.
I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?
Yeah they had that in wow early on as well. Use to need 40 people to raid, and they couldn't all be drakes, oops I mean rogues. Sometimes you would compete against the the faction as well, with them bringing only canes wait, a good mix of roles.
But lately they reduce raiding to like 10-20 people needed or so, as well as a normal then heroic version. As well as a looking for raid finder that way more players have access to content. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
45
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:26:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Sounds like the OP suffers from "I have more friends, so i deserve more stuff" entitlement.
I'm bad at that, but that was sarcasm, right? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3785
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:46:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Diesel Phumes wrote:So, to come in here and say that it doesn' take friends to clear the end-game in WoW is absolutely absurd. Do people whine as much about end-game content in WOW as they do here regarding their own personal tech moon?
Yes. Actually more. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kate stark
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:49:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content. i clicked "join fleet" then went afk, and let 400 other people kill everything for me. Shocking how this can happen in Eve as well. Even still this whole thread is dumb.
i fail to see how your post has anything to do with the point being discussed. just posting for the sake of it, i guess? |
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
244
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:00:00 -
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rodyas wrote: But lately they reduce raiding to like 10-20 people needed or so, as well as a normal then heroic version. As well as a looking for raid finder that way more players have access to content.
Yes, but doesn't matter. What make the difference is the fact in EvE your character progression is not tied up to what you do in game: whatever you spend your time in game your character grows anyway. And there's no "content" to access, true contents are generated dinamically by the players and their interactions.
In games like WOW you're FORCED to do something specific (in 40, in 20 or in solo, is the same) for your character progression, and doing anything else is a waste of time.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
279
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:13:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content. Yeah, that's LFR. The WoW interactive video mode. Bullshit at its best. That's not the endgame.
You do have competition in WoW PvE and actually it can be quite fun. Even without having to compete at the level of the world's top ten guilds. You can very well compete and have fun on server level.
The problem is, that only people socializing will eventually get there. Because if you do, you come to know and respect those 5% of the server population, who are wanting to put the effort in and have fun competing with each other in raids. But it will take time and doesn't happen in just a few months. Some patience is required here.
For the majority in WoW though, that's way too much dedication, effort or whatever you want to call it. Because of that, Blizzard started to make it "easier" to level for all those who were not able to make some friends after the first 20 level in the game. That was back in late 2007 with Patch 2.3. They've introduced feature after feature, nerf after nerf over the following years for players that were not able to get into groups or raids, simply because they could not be bothered to make friends in the game.
None of that works, because a lot of those players are just doing their ego thing in those artificially built groups and the result are endless complaints on the forums by other players concerning player conduct in groups.
Eventually Blizzard made the whole game a solo thing outside of instanced gameplay.
So what happens in the end is, that those players playing the endgame on a server still mostly form a homogenous group. They know each other. And they do not need Blizzards tools to build raids or groups, because they have enough ingame social connections. Still some of them use these tools occasionally. Maybe they have a friend outside of those 5% or they just want to go out and meet new people in the game. It's also a good way to get in touch with potential new raid members.
Over time, some of these people may change server for whatever reason. They get into a competitive raid on another server and are now a potential contact for anyone else following. This way there is even a bridge across servers.
None of Blizzards efforts has really changed a single thing. None of the whiners was able to change anything at the situation by crying. All they achieved, was making Blizzard trash gameplay in most aspects.
I sincerely hope, that CCP doesn't cater to crying. Remove insurance. |
Kate stark
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:24:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Kate stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Weaselior wrote: did you just sperg out over wow bullshit and dumb titles
wow is a cooperative game. eve is a competitive game. wanking over who completed the cooperative mode first is dumb and pointless. everyone can do it if they want, but only the strong few with the will to power in eve will have the mightiest space empire
His response was more to the idea that end game content could be achieved without cooperation in WoW, which isn't true. Unlike eve there are more or less specified endgame activities which require cooperation. wrong. a friend wouldn't shut up about wow to me so i put a month's gametime on it. i clicked "join lfr" then went afk, and let 24 other people kill every raid boss for me. you don't even have to cooperate, know, or talk to the people in wow to experience the endgame content. Yeah, that's LFR. The WoW interactive video mode. Bullshit at its best. That's not the endgame.
yes, it is. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
279
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:41:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:yes, it is. Well, you are right in one respect here: I unsubbed way before LFR went live. End of game.
Remove insurance. |
Diesel Phumes
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:55:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Diesel Phumes wrote:So, to come in here and say that it doesn' take friends to clear the end-game in WoW is absolutely absurd. Do people whine as much about end-game content in WOW as they do here regarding their own personal tech moon?
Absolutely yes |
Kate stark
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.02.08 12:58:00 -
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Diesel Phumes wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Diesel Phumes wrote:So, to come in here and say that it doesn' take friends to clear the end-game in WoW is absolutely absurd. Do people whine as much about end-game content in WOW as they do here regarding their own personal tech moon? Absolutely yes
mostly because they're too inept to do it. at least here there's a case that there is a tech moon issue unlike in WoW where "don't stand in the fire" is a bit more than people can manage. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2195
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:50:00 -
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People need to deal with the fact that one man corps will never have tech moons. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1760
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:53:00 -
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Apparently gamers are self entitled little bitches.
Including me. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1312
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:58:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:or does every MMO suffer from "You shouldn't have more stuff than me because you have more friends" entitlement? I have a feeling it's particular to EVE because of the PVP sandbox, but I haven't played any other MMOs.
I don't get it. Why do some people feel that all content should be available to every player, without effort and without teamwork?
Human Nature.
I've known many people in games and all aspects of real life that want "short cuts" to "stuff" regardless of any ideas of fairness, balance or personal responsibility for their choices. Hell, there are whole real life poticial ideologies based on the idea of taking stuff from people who earn/make it and just giving it to everyone regardless of merit.
So no, it's not just EVE lol.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1312
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:59:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:People need to deal with the fact that one man corps will never have tech moons.
You lie sir! Just yesterday I conquered Tribute by multi-boxing 100 Rifters, I just pretended I was goons and everyone ran away.
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