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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.10.11 18:11:00 -
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CCP Deconstructs EVE Online's Microtransaction Missteps. AS SEEN ON SLASHDOT.
"Wow... subscription based + micro transactions.. talk about greed."-á LOL!
Best Regards, Nak hak |
mkint
135
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:09:00 -
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Reading through the original article, my concern is regarding this:
Quote:Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.
After all the mess with the wh0re st0re, CCP still obviously doesn't get it. Yup... EVE has an expiration date. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:16:00 -
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not necessarily... maybe aurum can be used to buy stuff IRL. like the eve books or the apoc model.
50000 aurum for model of apoc? yes please. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
89
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:19:00 -
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Quote:Takeaway: Despite player protests and a public apology from the CEO, Eve Online's virtual goods launch was by no means an unmitigated failure. CCP learned a lot about what works and what doesn't and is looking to implement those lessons into its next microtransaction effort, next year's PS3-exclusive Dust 514.
nah a 10k drop in logged in accounts, how ever many accounts unsubbed. its not a failure at all. a pat on tthe back for ccp everyone... CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Maiia Arlenne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:25:00 -
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I wonder how much CEO Hilmar got in bonuses for a "job well done"? |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:29:00 -
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Hellmar is delusional. nothing has changed on that front and I dont know why people are surprised by this.
However he watched what we did, had a panic attack and went into QQ i am sorry mode. EVE is going in a better direction RIGHT NOW b/c of this
Things WILL devolve again sometime after Winter. People like Hellmar with huge egos that live in the clouds don't get better...hes just in panic mode right now until things start getting better Sub wise then things will go back to how they use to be. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:37:00 -
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He is of course refering to using AUR for ship paint jobs... You know, the thing that has been public knowledge for ages.
There is seriously something wrong with you people. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
30
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:46:00 -
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I can only facepalm to the way they guy missinterpets that data.
The monocle only sold well to trolls with bots. At the cost of a huge section of the user base. It only sold to people who wanted to troll. It sold well for all the wrong reasons. The reasons that cost them more then they will ever get back.
Did CCP not hire anyone that had experience with MTs? It seems like they didnt and just made wild assumptions rather then actually look at and study the friken concept. There was tons of on hand case study of MTs they could have looked at to get a real grounded concept of how MTs are supposed to work.
They still have their heads up their arse's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMBeLrZoyw ^ccp staff watch this vid. |
Sorran Tor
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
2
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:56:00 -
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Quote:Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.
PAGING CCP TO THREAD TO CLARIFY |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
47
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:05:00 -
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mkint wrote:Reading through the original article, my concern is regarding this: Quote:Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. After all the mess with the wh0re st0re, CCP still obviously doesn't get it. Yup... EVE has an expiration date.
You forget race, sex, and face changes. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
26
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:21:00 -
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Amazingly, they STILL THINK that a crappy low tier awful T-shirt should cost as much as a Batlleship and appeal to players... and I still think that unless I can dress myself top-notch with one single PLEX, the NEx will suck a corpse's balls.
What is more offending is that currently they already have set a range of goods (at least in the in-game market, status "none available") to justify lowering the price: anyone fancying to owe each one of all pieces in the stock, with all their color variations, would need to bot for a month to pay for it at the currently insane prices (think of some 80 PLEXes just for the range of female apparel). I should had never left X3: Reunion |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.11 21:33:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I can only facepalm to the way they guy missinterpets that data. The monocle only sold well to trolls with bots. At the cost of a huge section of the user base. It only sold to people who wanted to troll. It sold well for all the wrong reasons. The reasons that cost them more then they will ever get back. Did CCP not hire anyone that had experience with MTs? It seems like they didnt and just made wild assumptions rather then actually look at and study the friken concept. There was tons of on hand case study of MTs they could have looked at to get a real grounded concept of how MTs are supposed to work. They still have their heads up their arse's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMBeLrZoyw^ccp staff watch this vid.
It doesn't change anything for them to "whom" they sell the monocles. They sold them, and they are happy with it. Success !
Besides, having trolls as marketing audience makes perfect sense too !
Also, who's that Cockerill they are talking about ? Isn't **** a banned word ?
I've never heard of him, can somebody help me out ? |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.10.11 21:36:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:not necessarily... maybe aurum can be used to buy stuff IRL. like the eve books or the apoc model.
50000 aurum for model of apoc? yes please.
This would mean that aurum would be subject to trade laws IRL. It's something CCP DOES NOT want. So, don't expect this to happen.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:50:00 -
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Still wondering if P2W is coming to EVE?
Massively.com wrote:Cockerill noted that one major concern from players was the idea that the changes were the beginning of a slippery slope, and that the game would change from one where skill and friends decided victory to one where money was the deciding factor. But as Cockerill discussed, PLEX already touched on that issue because players had been using it to finance their operations. Some players poured thousands of dollars into it but were still defeated by more-skilled players. Likewise, the team believed that Aurum, like PLEX, wouldn't change things in-game. Ben Cockerill has NFI. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |
TriadSte
Thr33lance Incorp
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:53:00 -
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It all depends on what money you make, I used to think that monacle was expensive but not any longer. It would be easy to buy 4 plex and trade it for AUR then buy it.
The NEX store has potential for great things if done in the right way.
I am all for cheap items and luxury items just like in real life. Some can afford, some cant. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
116
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:58:00 -
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Clothes for ships that means i can put a skirt in my dominix? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Sorran Tor
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.12 05:44:00 -
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Sorran Tor wrote:Quote:Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. PAGING CCP TO THREAD TO CLARIFY
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
80
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Posted - 2011.10.12 05:47:00 -
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All your stuff. Contract it to me.
I will take good care of it in the meantime you rage on the internet.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.12 11:14:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I can only facepalm to the way they guy missinterpets that data. The monocle only sold well to trolls with bots. At the cost of a huge section of the user base. It only sold to people who wanted to troll. It sold well for all the wrong reasons. The reasons that cost them more then they will ever get back. Did CCP not hire anyone that had experience with MTs? It seems like they didnt and just made wild assumptions rather then actually look at and study the friken concept. There was tons of on hand case study of MTs they could have looked at to get a real grounded concept of how MTs are supposed to work. They still have their heads up their arse's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMBeLrZoyw^ccp staff watch this vid. It doesn't change anything for them to "whom" they sell the monocles. They sold them, and they are happy with it. Success ! Besides, having trolls as marketing audience makes perfect sense too ! Also, who's that Cockerill they are talking about ? Isn't **** a banned word ? I've never heard of him, can somebody help me out ?
Shooting for short term gain vs long term failure is what they did in this situation.
You dont normally celebrate blowing your foot off cause some guy gave you 50 bucks to do it.
You might have 50 bucks but now you are left with a bloody stump that is bleeding out.
If you live you still are left with a ruined stump and no foot. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.12 11:56:00 -
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I thought Aurum was going to be what we used to pay Dust soldiers to do things for us or to buy them things when they are fighting? |
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
68
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Posted - 2011.10.12 12:01:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:It all depends on what money you make, I used to think that monacle was expensive but not any longer. It would be easy to buy 4 plex and trade it for AUR then buy it.
The NEX store has potential for great things if done in the right way.
I am all for cheap items and luxury items just like in real life. Some can afford, some cant.
Himlar, is that you?
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CCP Caedmon
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:20:00 -
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Hey guys,
It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR.
There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins.
As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
410
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:27:00 -
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CCP Caedmon wrote:Hey guys, It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR. There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins. As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage.
And this is exactly the kind of slippery slope I am referring too in my long post on NeX and Incarna here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20208&find=unread
What I'd like to ask you CCP Caedmon is just when the ability to choose different skins for our spaceships in Eve Online changed from being a piece of nice to have core content that would hopefully lead to corporate and alliance logos on our vessels, to becoming "vanity" and thus valid material to deliver through a company store delivery mechanism inside an already subscription-based game?
Why shouldn't the ability to customize and sell paint schemes for our spaceships in Eve Online be a player profession that works within the normal market mechanics?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
410
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:33:00 -
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Here is a quote from the comments section of the linked slashdot article that I agree with 101% btw;
http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/10/11/038243/ccp-deconstructs-eve-onlines-microtransaction-missteps
Quote:They still don't get it. It's not about the price or the clothes for characters instead of ships.
It's about the fact that we pay a subscription each month (an expensive one compared to other MMOs, I might add) and we feel that we deserve anything they develop for free. If they use their employees, time or money to develop something for the game, it should be free or more exactly: it should be granted by the monthly fee.
Most players do not just feel like they are paying to play a game, they feel like they are also investing money in Eve. They pay CCP in the hopes of seeing the game improve and accomplish it's full potential. When CCP makes us pay a subscription AND for new content, they don't just make us pay twice, they are also telling us "Thanks for your investment. Now pay us some more to get access to the result of that investment".
It's like renting a car and having to pay extra for a seatbelt. It's like a company taking money from investors and then telling them "your investment allows you to buy the products we make".
This is the third or fourth official apology from CCP and they still don't get it.
Oh and by the way - this new path CCP is taking (making players pay for new content) so far has made them lose more players than they have earned. Not only has this caused players to quit Eve, it has also ruined the company's and the game's reputation among potential future players. Personally the only reason I'm still playing is because I haven't given up all hope yet and I can say the same of most players I know.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:35:00 -
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non judgement wrote:I thought Aurum was going to be what we used to pay Dust soldiers to do things for us or to buy them things when they are fighting?
Interesting idea. It hadn't occurred to me for some reason.
The DUST video shows ISK prices however. We will probably be able to pay in both currencies I imagine. NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
71
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:37:00 -
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Im still having massive difficulty is understanding what all the crying is really about. Dont want Nex stuff? Dont buy it. Do want Nex stuff but have no RL money? PVE some isk, buy plex, exchange for AUR. Want Nex stuff, dont want to PVE but have RL money? Buy plex, swap it for Aur.
It REALLY changes nothing. PLEX is altready here, its already being used by the rich kids to buy their nightmares, machariels and Supers, RM IS ALREADY USED TO BUY EXPENSIVE BATTLE WINNING STUFF. Aurum wont change anything, its merely another way of trading, you can use in game or out of game money to buy AUR. Just like you can with PLEX. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
239
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:40:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
What I'd like to ask you CCP Caedmon is just when the ability to choose different skins for our spaceships in Eve Online changed from being a piece of nice to have core content that would hopefully lead to corporate and alliance logos on our vessels, to becoming "vanity" and thus valid material to deliver through a company store delivery mechanism inside an already subscription-based game?
Why shouldn't the ability to customize and sell paint schemes for our spaceships in Eve Online be a player profession that works within the normal market mechanics?
Because that would be fun, popular, and widely used by the player base. The purpose of Aurum is to suck the fun out of everything it touches. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
411
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:46:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Im still having massive difficulty is understanding what all the crying is really about. Dont want Nex stuff? Dont buy it. Do want Nex stuff but have no RL money? PVE some isk, buy plex, exchange for AUR. Want Nex stuff, dont want to PVE but have RL money? Buy plex, swap it for Aur.
It REALLY changes nothing. PLEX is altready here, its already being used by the rich kids to buy their nightmares, machariels and Supers, RM IS ALREADY USED TO BUY EXPENSIVE BATTLE WINNING STUFF. Aurum wont change anything, its merely another way of trading, you can use in game or out of game money to buy AUR. Just like you can with PLEX.
It changes the method used to bring the content into the game.
Without NeX then things like clothing/ship skins etc would be seeded as blueprints to appropriate in-game npc corporations that people would buy and build by collecting the appropriate materials from missioning/exploration/reactions/PI etc etc. Basically this stuff would make more things for industrialists and pve orientated players to do and enjoy.
With NeX its just there in a nasty little interface that cuts out the enjoyment of all of the above and cheapens the Eve sandbox.
That is the difference between NeX and Plex.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Garbad theWeak
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:59:00 -
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CCP Caedmon wrote:Hey guys, It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR. There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins. As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage. The article implies that you think the problem was a lack of pretty pony content and too expensive pretty pony content. The problem is that your vision of the future of eve simply isn't what players want. You learned the wrong lessons, and next time I won't be rioting and hoping for change -- I'll be gone.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
35
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:02:00 -
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Garbad theWeak wrote:CCP Caedmon wrote:Hey guys, It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR. There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins. As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage. The article implies that you think the problem was a lack of pretty pony content and too expensive pretty pony content. The problem is that your vision of the future of eve simply isn't what players want. You learned the wrong lessons, and next time I won't be rioting and hoping for change -- I'll be gone.
This sums up my thoughts nicely.
CCP Caedmon the comments made made it seem like you missed the point of what happened and why completely. |
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