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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.07.23 13:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
And for all they knew he had 5lbs of semtex & nails strapped to his chest and his finger on the detonate button.
A headshot is a good way to stop anyone pressing a button.
Turns out he didn't but they never knew that at the time and I'm sure the dozen or so people on the carriage weren't complaining.
Im sure his family is though, and it doesnt change the fact that they executed an innocent man. Why dont we just give the police authority to shoot and kill anyone they themselves consider a threat, unarmed or not. That way we can exterminate people of color and you can live happily ever after.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.07.23 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Sorry, you can always run from a cop in the US. He can't shoot you, he must give chase.
Yes, I have tested this theory.
You MIGHT get stun gunned though! 
DON'T test your theory in Texas.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.23 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
And for all they knew he had 5lbs of semtex & nails strapped to his chest and his finger on the detonate button.
A headshot is a good way to stop anyone pressing a button.
Turns out he didn't but they never knew that at the time and I'm sure the dozen or so people on the carriage weren't complaining.
Im sure his family is though, and it doesnt change the fact that they executed an innocent man. Why dont we just give the police authority to shoot and kill anyone they themselves consider a threat, unarmed or not. That way we can exterminate people of color and you can live happily ever after.
Why on earth did you bring color into the argument? It's not about the color of kis skin.
It's about:
a) where he was seen
b) who he was seen with
c) his reaction to a challenged from unarmed police
d) his choice to run towards a tube station
Are you telling me you'd just let him blow himself and over a dozen innocent bystanders up before you shot?
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.07.23 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
And for all they knew he had 5lbs of semtex & nails strapped to his chest and his finger on the detonate button.
A headshot is a good way to stop anyone pressing a button.
Turns out he didn't but they never knew that at the time and I'm sure the dozen or so people on the carriage weren't complaining.
Im sure his family is though, and it doesnt change the fact that they executed an innocent man. Why dont we just give the police authority to shoot and kill anyone they themselves consider a threat, unarmed or not. That way we can exterminate people of color and you can live happily ever after.
Why on earth did you bring color into the argument? It's not about the color of kis skin.
It's about:
a) where he was seen
b) who he was seen with
c) his reaction to a challenged from unarmed police
d) his choice to run towards a tube station
Are you telling me you'd just let him blow himself and over a dozen innocent bystanders up before you shot?
This just in, authorities admit the man that was executed had nothing to do with the bombings nor was he a terrorist.. Hooray for innocents being executed.
What im saying is that if there is sufficient time to wrestle him to the ground, take aim and empty 5 into the back of his head then there is sufficient time to check him for explosives.
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Scrofalitic One
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Posted - 2005.07.23 16:52:00 -
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You say its not about colour, but its a fact that in the UK if you ARE a person of coulour then you WILL get harrassed by the police, stopped, searched, assaulted (verbally, mentally and, if you're unlucky, physically). The ingarined racism and prejudice of the Met police force is legendary, for the US out there, think early '90s LA police force.
So, while it would be lovely to think that its not about colour, chances are that played a large part in the case.
A young brown-skinned man was wresteled to the ground and executed because he decided not to surrender to the police. Why he decided this we will probably never know. The police are now calling what happened "A Tragedy", rather than the more accurate "A Murder".
Life in the UK is just going to get worse for muslims, be they Turks, Arabs, Sufi mystics, whatever... already the media are depicting Madrassars (spelling? sorry...) as hotbeds of terrorism recruitment and evil, rather than the Muslim equivalent of a sort of Sunday School for adults.
The newspapers were baying for blood, chuffed to bits that some (now shown to be innocent...) young man had been gunned down. As Hella May says "Shot 5 times! Pwn'd!".
Hope its not just me who finds this attitude sickening...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:06:00 -
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The terrorists we're trying to catch are 99.9999999% of the time people of Islamic/Pakistani/Indian appearance. It makes sense we pay close attention to those specifics.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
...This just in, authorities admit the man that was executed had nothing to do with the bombings nor was he a terrorist.. Hooray for innocents being executed.
What im saying is that if there is sufficient time to wrestle him to the ground, take aim and empty 5 into the back of his head then there is sufficient time to check him for explosives.
As a Londoner I have no issue stopping if the police tell me too. Then again, the worst i have done is speeding on my motorbike. He might not of been connected BUT ... why did he run with armed officers chasing him?
Now go back to Seekers post. What would i want the police to do? SHOOT HIM.
Sit in that tube train. One man jumps on. He is shouted at to STOP. He does NOT. Any specific movement by this man in front of you could blow YOU to hell .... shoot the person. In the head. Its not a dificult request, specialy with warrant cards held out and the general public looking at you.
If I see flashing lights in my rear view mirrors, i pull over. I know I'm done for. I can outrun any police car and just about any police bike (I believe they only have older R1's) but, I think pulling over and saying "its a fair cop" is the better option. If these people are carrying something, they have to think, if they don't, Darwin will have his way.
Damn, Darwin has lots of people today.
Us Londoners have to stick with the police and the things they do. All we can do is hope that the police operate the proper procedures for that moment and that these are sufficient when its us looking a bomber in the face pushing that button.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
The terrorists we're trying to catch are 99.9999999% of the time people of Islamic/Pakistani/Indian appearance. It makes sense we pay close attention to those specifics.
are you actually trying to justify the execution of an innocent young man? Theres a difference between paying close attention and executing someone. If anything this will only help terrorists recruit more young pan-asians and arabs to their ranks.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
The terrorists we're trying to catch are 99.9999999% of the time people of Islamic/Pakistani/Indian appearance. It makes sense we pay close attention to those specifics.
are you actually trying to justify the execution of an innocent young man? Theres a difference between paying close attention and executing someone. If anything this will only help terrorists recruit more young pan-asians and arabs to their ranks.
I am trying to justify the actions of police who had split-second decisions to make. We're all super smart in hindsight.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I am trying to justify the actions of police who had split-second decisions to make. We're all super smart in hindsight.
EXACTLY
If i was on that train .... i would want them to shoot ASAP.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: 0seeker0 on 23/07/2005 17:47:36
Edited by: 0seeker0 on 23/07/2005 17:43:51
Edited by: 0seeker0 on 23/07/2005 17:41:40
Originally by: Scrofalitic One
You say its not about colour, but its a fact that in the UK if you ARE a person of coulour then you WILL get harrassed by the police, stopped, searched, assaulted (verbally, mentally and, if you're unlucky, physically). The ingarined racism and prejudice of the Met police force is legendary, for the US out there, think early '90s LA police force.
And 1 million "people of colour" will carry out far more rapes and sexual assaults on white women than 1 million white men.... Pakistanis are actually even worse than blacks for that because the holy quoran says unbelievers aka white women are thiers to do with as they wish as "spoils of war"
There is a reason the police force is racist, despite the liberals best efforts to make it otherwise; "people of colour" commit more crime! gasp! 15% of our prison population is black compared to only 2-3% of our civilian population.
So, when you complain about "people of colour" being "harrased" by police that may well lose thier jobs for it (it used to be called profiling and is recognised as a succesfull tool for police before it was made illegal), i will continue to fight for the whites that are being raped and robbed and blown up in our own damn country.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: 0seeker0
.... stuff....
No way. Don't stereotype ... no matter how tempting it is. There are many, many, many good apples to one or two bad.
Please think about what you have just said and remove feeling from it, look at it logically.
Proabably about time for a lock?
Darwin 4tw
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: 0seeker0 on 23/07/2005 17:46:32
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.07.23 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: 0seeker0
Edited by: 0seeker0 on 23/07/2005 17:50:28
Originally by: Scrofalitic One
You say its not about colour, but its a fact that in the UK if you ARE a person of coulour then you WILL get harrassed by the police, stopped, searched, assaulted (verbally, mentally and, if you're unlucky, physically). The ingarined racism and prejudice of the Met police force is legendary, for the US out there, think early '90s LA police force.
And 1 million "people of colour" will carry out far more rapes and sexual assaults on white women than 1 million white men.... Pakistanis are actually even worse than blacks for that because the holy quoran says unbelievers aka white women are thiers to do with as they wish as "spoils of war"
There is a reason the police force is racist, despite the liberals best efforts to make it otherwise; "people of colour" commit more crime! gasp! 15% of our prison population is black compared to only 2-3% of our civilian population.
So, when you complain about "people of colour" being "harrased" by police that may well lose thier jobs for it (it used to be called profiling and was recognised as a succesfull tool for police before it was made illegal), i will continue to fight for the whites that are being raped and robbed and blown up in our own damn country.
The fact that minorities statistically comit "more" crimes (lets not forget that 10% of 1000 people and 10% of 10000 isnt the same thing) reflects their general situation in our society. Poor people comit more crimes then wealthy people and that is a documented fact, color of skin or nationality has NOTHING to do with it, it all boils down to social status.
So before you spew more ignorant and hateful garbage do some reasearch you silly muppet.
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:04:00 -
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The 'officers' that shot that guy dead were not in uniform, they were a plain clothes tactical unit. Most sane people would run away from a bunch of guys in ordinary clothing that are chasing after them with guns.
And as a side point, why the hell hasn't this thread been locked? Last I checked inflammatory crap like this shouldn't be on the boards 
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Monty Burns on 23/07/2005 18:14:22
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
The fact that minorities statistically comit "more" crimes ....
I know i <snip> you somewhat there I don't want to distort what your saying. As an ex-student of statistics, i can asure you with 98.6% of the population backing me up that statistics are lies. Just for starters are we talking median or modian? 
Believe me. I see the same images as you guys on tv, on the tube, on planes, but in my office and my personal life .... these "statistics" are awesome. As seeker said, there are good apples as well.
But: I stand by my "if i was on that tube" argument. Shoot anyone that does not respond to an order. I will.
Darwin 4tw
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:16:00 -
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If there was the remotest chance he had a bomb, he might as well be shot since he'd die anyway. Along with the innocents and the police there.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:18:00 -
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I hate racism and prejudice - imo it spawns from the same ignorance that spurs these young people to take so many innocent lives in the first place.
But if I had to decide between being politically correct in anti-terrorism or being efficient at saving the lives of the public - guess which I'd choose?
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
The 'officers' that shot that guy dead were not in uniform, they were a plain clothes tactical unit. Most sane people would run away from a bunch of guys in ordinary clothing that are chasing after them with guns.
And as a side point, why the hell hasn't this thread been locked? Last I checked inflammatory crap like this shouldn't be on the boards
Two extremly good points.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
But if I had to decide between being politically correct in anti-terrorism or being efficient at saving the lives of the public - guess which I'd choose?
Well you blatantly aren't choosing to save the lives of the public, because you openly advocating killing one of them.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.07.23 20:01:00 -
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Its simply amazing that people will still defend the police's actions even after they admitted it was a mistake. Though I have no idea why he would run, one possibility is that he could have been an illegal alien who did not want to get deported. But still, we don't have all the facts yet.
Oh, and its only naive white people who say that "its not about colour".
As for the "I'm sure there are a few good apples" comment, stfu. Many muslim countries have been fighting these terrorists for ages and taken far greater casualties while the Europe & the US were oblivious. I'm still trying to get a hold of friends and make sure none of them were in Sharm El-Shiekh this weekend.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.07.23 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 23/07/2005 20:02:02
Double post
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Lomithrandra
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:21:00 -
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