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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3103
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:17:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:You select "Warp fleet to..." -> "Warp to..." command is copied to other clients. So, it is, by OP's logic, automated.
Get a covops frigate and a freighter in fleet, and fleet warp both of them from one end of Oipo to the other. What is the maximum warp speed the covops frigate is capable of? What is the maximum speed the covops frigate reaches during this fleet warp? So you see that fleet warp is not the same thing as manually selecting "Warp to". So the two are not the same thing, thus your claim that fleet warp is automation built into the game is not quite right.
Even without the different nature of fleet warp versus individual warp, the fact that the facility is available to everyone who installs EVE Online as part of the standard set of features that make up the game means that noone gets an advantage over other people since this feature is available to all players regardless of what other software is installed on their computer.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3398
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:19:00 -
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loco coco wrote:Okay, for you idiots out there let me throw down some logic on why this it should be banned, even though no one will probably read my post because this thread was useless after the first few pages.
A normal person operating a single account uses one mouse to click once on a specific spot of coordinates. As per summed up by the EULA, an external program can not give a person an advantage over another player not using that program. Isboxer uses false information to SIMULATE a person clicking in more that one spot at a time. This is highly unfair. I honestly don't see how you people don't get that this is automation.
Someone mentioned that it is alright to use because one guy operating 7 accounts would have the same change of winning as 7 different people. But the game breaking part is if it's just one normal guy against one guy with Isboxer has no chance of winning. The guy with Isboxer could just undock 7 ships and kill that poor loner. You can't use the argument of "Well Isboxer is available for everyone" because not everyone has the same type of computers that could run multiple clients.
I'm honestly disgusted with the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread. All the people saying it's legitimate are just saying that because they don't want their advantage taken away.
Also, don't try to say I'm mad because I couldn't run it. I have a very good processor and could run multiple clients without a problem. I just choose to play fair. So, what you're telling us is that CCP:
- idiots out there
- no one will probably read my post
- don't get that this is automation
- sheer amount of ignorance
- don't want their" advantage" taken away
k Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
loco coco
33
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:loco coco wrote:Okay, for you idiots out there let me throw down some logic on why this it should be banned, even though no one will probably read my post because this thread was useless after the first few pages.
A normal person operating a single account uses one mouse to click once on a specific spot of coordinates. As per summed up by the EULA, an external program can not give a person an advantage over another player not using that program. Isboxer uses false information to SIMULATE a person clicking in more that one spot at a time. This is highly unfair. I honestly don't see how you people don't get that this is automation.
Someone mentioned that it is alright to use because one guy operating 7 accounts would have the same change of winning as 7 different people. But the game breaking part is if it's just one normal guy against one guy with Isboxer has no chance of winning. The guy with Isboxer could just undock 7 ships and kill that poor loner. You can't use the argument of "Well Isboxer is available for everyone" because not everyone has the same type of computers that could run multiple clients.
I'm honestly disgusted with the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread. All the people saying it's legitimate are just saying that because they don't want their advantage taken away.
Also, don't try to say I'm mad because I couldn't run it. I have a very good processor and could run multiple clients without a problem. I just choose to play fair. So, what you're telling us is that CCP:
- idiots out there
- no one will probably read my post
- don't get that this is automation
- sheer amount of ignorance
- don't want their" advantage" taken away
k
Prime example of someone who doesn't want their advantage taken away.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3402
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:49:00 -
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Ironically I don't use isboxer, but I do manually fly two or three ships at once when I rat.
It's not helpful since some reds seem to have realized that when I'm in local (nerf local) they might be able to catch two faction battleships. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
50
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:04:00 -
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30 people playing 30 computers or 1 person play 30 computers, i could not care less. I'm rich i don't care what others make in the game, besides it's no problem making more isk then you can spend on ships, playing just one account.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
786
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:19:00 -
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loco coco wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:loco coco wrote:Okay, for you idiots out there let me throw down some logic on why this it should be banned, even though no one will probably read my post because this thread was useless after the first few pages.
A normal person operating a single account uses one mouse to click once on a specific spot of coordinates. As per summed up by the EULA, an external program can not give a person an advantage over another player not using that program. Isboxer uses false information to SIMULATE a person clicking in more that one spot at a time. This is highly unfair. I honestly don't see how you people don't get that this is automation.
Someone mentioned that it is alright to use because one guy operating 7 accounts would have the same change of winning as 7 different people. But the game breaking part is if it's just one normal guy against one guy with Isboxer has no chance of winning. The guy with Isboxer could just undock 7 ships and kill that poor loner. You can't use the argument of "Well Isboxer is available for everyone" because not everyone has the same type of computers that could run multiple clients.
I'm honestly disgusted with the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread. All the people saying it's legitimate are just saying that because they don't want their advantage taken away.
Also, don't try to say I'm mad because I couldn't run it. I have a very good processor and could run multiple clients without a problem. I just choose to play fair. So, what you're telling us is that CCP:
- idiots out there
- no one will probably read my post
- don't get that this is automation
- sheer amount of ignorance
- don't want their" advantage" taken away
k Prime example of someone who doesn't want their advantage taken away. prime example of excessive extrapolation
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Dusty Meg
Bioco Industries Bioco Empire
75
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:02:00 -
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loco coco wrote:Okay, for you idiots out there let me throw down some logic on why this it should be banned, even though no one will probably read my post because this thread was useless after the first few pages.
A normal person operating a single account uses one mouse to click once on a specific spot of coordinates. As per summed up by the EULA, an external program can not give a person an advantage over another player not using that program. Isboxer uses false information to SIMULATE a person clicking in more that one spot at a time. This is highly unfair. I honestly don't see how you people don't get that this is automation.
Someone mentioned that it is alright to use because one guy operating 7 accounts would have the same change of winning as 7 different people. But the game breaking part is if it's just one normal guy against one guy with Isboxer has no chance of winning. The guy with Isboxer could just undock 7 ships and kill that poor loner. You can't use the argument of "Well Isboxer is available for everyone" because not everyone has the same type of computers that could run multiple clients.
I'm honestly disgusted with the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread. All the people saying it's legitimate are just saying that because they don't want their advantage taken away.
Also, don't try to say I'm mad because I couldn't run it. I have a very good processor and could run multiple clients without a problem. I just choose to play fair.
So back to the fact that you want all external programs that could possibly give an advantage over someone who didnt use it as a bannable offense.
Yes I use Isboxer, yes I use the mouse broadcaster to undock and accept fleet invite, but I dont mine with it, If I was to perhaps ice mine then maybe it would be of more use to me but the fact that ore mining has alot shorter cycles with roids popping randomly on different accounts means that the mouse broadcasting for ore mining is very different.
I was mining with 7 accounts well before I decided to get isboxer and my income is the same, yes isboxer makes it easier for me thats why I got it, but it hasnt increased my income.
And people really must stop throwing around that this is breaking the EULA, because it isnt the GM teams has ruled that it isnt so stop saying it is. What you should be saying is that you believe it should be against the EULA (but thats just stupid as theres only what 5 of you so nothing will change).
The whole fact is the GM teams has ruled as such that it is perfectly fine to use these types of programs as there is still a person sat at the keyboard sending commands to the characters. Creater of the EVE animated influence map http://www.youtube.com/user/DustMityEVE |
Ra'Shyne Viper
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
61
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:19:00 -
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/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious. |
Kate stark
137
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:26:00 -
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loco coco wrote:Okay, for you idiots out there let me throw down some logic on why this it should be banned, even though no one will probably read my post because this thread was useless after the first few pages.
A normal person operating a single account uses one mouse to click once on a specific spot of coordinates. As per summed up by the EULA, an external program can not give a person an advantage over another player not using that program. Isboxer uses false information to SIMULATE a person clicking in more that one spot at a time. This is highly unfair. I honestly don't see how you people don't get that this is automation.
Someone mentioned that it is alright to use because one guy operating 7 accounts would have the same change of winning as 7 different people. But the game breaking part is if it's just one normal guy against one guy with Isboxer has no chance of winning. The guy with Isboxer could just undock 7 ships and kill that poor loner. You can't use the argument of "Well Isboxer is available for everyone" because not everyone has the same type of computers that could run multiple clients.
I'm honestly disgusted with the sheer amount of ignorance in this thread. All the people saying it's legitimate are just saying that because they don't want their advantage taken away.
Also, don't try to say I'm mad because I couldn't run it. I have a very good processor and could run multiple clients without a problem. I just choose to play fair.
oh look another "i don't multibox and i think it's unfair that they can afford more accounts than me" post.
if it should be banned, point to which part of the eula it's breaking. please. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
51
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:27:00 -
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Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious.
anything less then 3 characters is suspicious. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
786
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:34:00 -
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Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious. is he? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Kate stark
137
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:36:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious. is he?
i only have 3 characters but i play all day to operate my RMT racket, which means i don't have to get a real job which lets me sit at the computer all day and make isk...
so clearly the guy with 100 is obviously RMTing. who could question it? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3822
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:15:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:GreenWithEnvy wrote:
Does this mean that we have to go back to taped-together mice and keyboard with dowels over them? Because that convinced CCP pretty well last time to allow multiboxing SOFTWARE, because if they don't allow SOFTWARE people will just use HARDWARE.
No, hardawre methods would also be out. Just like botting. You could bot by having a second computer with a web cam looking at the screen of the first computer, use solenoids to click the keys and a pen plotter to move the mouse. It would still be botting.
Being ambidextrous, what happens if I play 2 clients, one with each hand? Will I get my hand banned? Or my arm? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:16:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:You select "Warp fleet to..." -> "Warp to..." command is copied to other clients. So, it is, by OP's logic, automated. Get a covops frigate and a freighter in fleet, and fleet warp both of them from one end of Oipo to the other. What is the maximum warp speed the covops frigate is capable of? What is the maximum speed the covops frigate reaches during this fleet warp? So you see that fleet warp is not the same thing as manually selecting "Warp to". So the two are not the same thing, thus your claim that fleet warp is automation built into the game is not quite right. Even without the different nature of fleet warp versus individual warp, the fact that the facility is available to everyone who installs EVE Online as part of the standard set of features that make up the game means that noone gets an advantage over other people since this feature is available to all players regardless of what other software is installed on their computer.
How many 100+ freighter fleets you have seen in nullsec battles?
Does it even work?
Are you saying setups like this should also be banned? http://www.eve-online-fan.co.uk/2010/04/14-accounts-multiboxed-how-to-do-it/ |
Kate stark
137
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:GreenWithEnvy wrote:
Does this mean that we have to go back to taped-together mice and keyboard with dowels over them? Because that convinced CCP pretty well last time to allow multiboxing SOFTWARE, because if they don't allow SOFTWARE people will just use HARDWARE.
No, hardawre methods would also be out. Just like botting. You could bot by having a second computer with a web cam looking at the screen of the first computer, use solenoids to click the keys and a pen plotter to move the mouse. It would still be botting. Being ambidextrous, what happens if I play 2 clients, one with each hand? Will I get my hand banned? Or my arm?
unless one of your arms is a prosthetic robot type thing that uses a third party software, you should be fine. |
Cazador 64
Nightmare Logistics
135
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:57:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote: I found a fleet of hulks got a boner because I thought I could gank one but they all warped off and I got concorded
I, Kal Mindar, deem that i am crying about boxing programs and ganking is hardcore PVP and I'm mad as hell that I couldn't gank one of those 30 hulks . At least that's what I read .
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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.02.15 11:20:00 -
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/signed
Anything to discourage multiboxing. |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.02.15 12:46:00 -
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Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious. Ok, no more long winded replies from me.
Proof or stfu |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.02.15 12:50:00 -
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This is what was typed:
Whim Aqayn wrote:/signed
Anything to discourage multiboxing.
This is what I saw:
Whim Aqayn wrote:WAAAAAAAHHHH Mommie, they have more than me. I want them to go awaaaaaayyy.
nuff said |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
492
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:14:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ironically I don't use isboxer, but I do manually fly two or three ships at once when I rat.
It's not helpful since some reds seem to have realized that when I'm in local (nerf local) they might be able to catch two faction battleships.
Damn man, you should use ISBoxer then, you'd live cause it would warp you all out 0.1 seconds faster Just ask anyone of the guys wanting it banned, its a clear advantage. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
492
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:20:00 -
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Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious.
I have 6 Accounts, and I consider that pretty nomally for a indy guy/pvp guy.
Pvp you need, Main, Triage alt, booster, Scout, and spies.
Indy - Every extra toon increases you income and speed, so yeah limitless really.
You idea that just because "random number" seems odd to you doesn't mean is true. Think about the older players. Titan toon, super toon, FC booster toon. Toon they use because no one noes its them so they don't die in the first 2 minutes of the fight.
I mean come on, at lease think about it before randomly tossing out a stupid number. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1361
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How many 100+ freighter fleets you have seen in nullsec battles?
None, but if ccp lets me put 1 civilian gun on a freighter, Ima do that for real! |
Annihilious
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:34:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:/signed
should of been banned a long time ago.
a single guy running 100 toons, is obviously RMTing. honestly anything above 3 toons is suspicious. I have 6 Accounts, and I consider that pretty nomally for a indy guy/pvp guy.
Pvp you need, Main, Triage alt, booster, Scout, and spies.
Indy - Every extra toon increases you income and speed, so yeah limitless really.
You idea that just because "random number" seems odd to you doesn't mean is true. Think about the older players. Titan toon, super toon, FC booster toon. Toon they use because no one noes its them so they don't die in the first 2 minutes of the fight.
I mean come on, at lease think about it before randomly tossing out a stupid number. Agreed, that is simply a stupid thing to say. I have six accounts too and it's nobody's bloody business why. I met a guy with 40 accounts who made lots of ISK buy creating/training/selling characters... But does that mean he is "suspicious"? |
Zephyr Taredi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:45:00 -
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Amen! I would like to kill off multiboxing. |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:25:00 -
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Zephyr Taredi wrote:Amen! I would like to kill off multiboxing. Why? |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
476
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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:28:00 -
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Kal Mindar wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/
Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it? Umm. No. My problem is with a program that takes 1 click and duplicates it 30 times. Again, why should they be allowed to warp all 30 hulks let's say, back to a pos with 1 click. How does this reinforce the main theme of action vs. consequence that this game is underpinned by? What do you think that rig lets the operator do?
It's all mechanical rather than digital, but it's the same effect.
I'm of the opinion that multi-boxing is fundamentally cheating from the word go, but it's part of the game design here so I won't argue with people who find ways to do it more efficiently as long as they don't have software playing for them. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
324
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:29:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:[quote=Ra'Shyne Viper]/signed
anything less then 3 characters is suspicious.
Ah common! I swear I am not doing anything against the EULA. No need to be suspicious... |
Lascivit Mercator
17
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:53:00 -
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/signed
no reason it should be allowed I like to multiply with sheep |
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:57:00 -
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Lascivit Mercator wrote:/signed
no reason it should be allowed
No reason it shouldn't.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
3
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Posted - 2013.02.15 16:35:00 -
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Lascivit Mercator wrote:/signed
no reason it should be allowed
CCP's financial analysts disagree with you. |
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