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Cochise	Posted - 2005.07.23 11:58:00 - [61] Originally by: christoforos Edited by: christoforos on 23/07/2005 10:51:03 The way we reached fighting each other is bad. But it's certain, that this war is not about Painball and his actions, which were wrong at that point. We would never go to war over this incident. However, the tension existed before that and it's main cause has been the NAP between Xelas and 5/BoB. I have read the explanation from Xelas side, but I can't accept it. You can't put someone that is the number one enemy of all your allies to positive standings, with the hope you won't provoke him and he will ignore you. When PA has voted to give Tenal to Xelas, it was done with the hope that we would strengthen the North against our common enemies. Let's face it. Northern Alliances have many differences. Sometimes we don't like each other and we even have reached to shoot each other. But one thing in common of all of us, is that we "hate" and are "hated" by BoB/5 and their friends in the South. Xelas leadership seems that doesn't share the same views for some time. This is not something new. I have been informed of a possible NAP between Xelas and BoB for at least a month. We have chosen to investigate it and I had a talk with Cochise, about it. The answer was that they did not have a NAP, but we could not consider their support against a possible BoB/5 invasion for granted. And the issue isn't so much military support. But we expected Xelas to declare that they are on the same side as any other Northern Alliance and not sit by, waiting for the outcome of the war. That is a major problem and many in the PA were dissapointed by this behavior. We trusted Xelas and gave them a region without any return. Only return we hoped for, was a trusted ally. It seems survival is more important than friendship. So to conclude, war with Xelas, was sparked by a wrong action, but we consider the real reasons, valid. LOL that was a really nice attempt to turn a passive act on our part into a hostile and vicious act like your members part. The setting of private alliance standings is not an act of aggression. The KILLING of two of OUR SHIPS IS with no doubt an act of AGGRESION. Call it what you want to Chris but all it takes is a few clicks and its obvious whatÆs really going on here Pal. But so be it as this is typical PA mentality as history has shown I think the correct term is " Whitewashing " My advice is pack a big lunch !!!
Danielk	Posted - 2005.07.23 11:58:00 - [62] Christoforos In your first paragraph you have confirmed that "Painball and his actions were wrong and we would never got to war over this incident." If this is correct then why are PA allowing Painball to continue serving in PA and at the same PA are currently attacking Xelas stations under orders from the PA head Diplomats? This attack is illegal as it has not been voted in by PA via democractic means. The attack must be called off without further delay. In your second paragraph you have confirmed that tensions already exist. However, there is a feeling amongst more mature PA members that this recent dispute has been "engineered" by intoxicated children to justify their reasons to go to war. Your third paragraph is correct. It was democratic vote by PA to allow Xelas have Tenal in good faith, on both sides. Certain PA diplomats and individuals have undermined this democratic vote by playing on everyones concerns to their own personal advantage. In your fourth paragraph you have stated that you have been informed of a possible NAP between Xelas and BoB for at least a month. There is no evidence to suggest other than you have been informed. If you have been informed by certain diplomats and individuals then you should have no doubt that you have been ill-advised in attempt to create this "tension". Your fifth paragraph is misleading no vote by PA on this recent matter has been passed. Slanderous and defamatory statements of criticisms based on trivia and choosing to focus obsessively on trivia reveals unsound judgement and is one of the ways bullies identify and reveal themselves. Nobody wants to bullied all the time so in the long term PA will fall apart. BOB and The Five may get there way afterall, handed to them on a silver platter due to the direct consequences of the PA dictatorship.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:04:00 - [63] And again sigh G will stay neutral in this blablabla GJ in continuesly destroying the efforts for an united north. GJ in NOW surely making XS talking with our enemies (tbh i would understand that). And Painball im really dissapointed in you GL with ur efforts in taking on a possible strong ally. GL with ur efforts when bob and five come up here, FOR U SURE NEED IT! GL to us, who will then be called AGAIN to save ur a$$es. -G- Pink Power Only the weak will join the strong.
The Clash	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:05:00 - [64] i think PA mentality crawled also in Xelas : nap any1 ? Ofc each its own and not my buisness but to me it looks like PA vs PA . But this war was commin from the moment Xelas got Tenal from PA , from there on already PA pilots were moaning and then it only needs a spark .... _________________ Re-activated ... Now lets see whats new , do we like it or im i ending back in the freezer ?
Cochise	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:20:00 - [65] Originally by: The Clash i think PA mentality crawled also in Xelas : nap any1 ? Ofc each its own and not my buisness but to me it looks like PA vs PA . But this war was commin from the moment Xelas got Tenal from PA , from there on already PA pilots were moaning and then it only needs a spark .... Your so right Clash, Even before the deal was made PA was slandering us and spreading their rumors. Funny thing is, it is only a dozen or so PA members because the rest are sending me eve mails and chatting to me and others in Xelas passing us all the bla bla bla. Oh well we shall see.
Cochise	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:23:00 - [66] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse And again sigh G will stay neutral in this blablabla GJ in continuesly destroying the efforts for an united north. GJ in NOW surely making XS talking with our enemies (tbh i would understand that). And Painball im really dissapointed in you GL with ur efforts in taking on a possible strong ally. GL with ur efforts when bob and five come up here, FOR U SURE NEED IT! GL to us, who will then be called AGAIN to save ur a$$es. Thanks again my good friend, You are so wise in your insight and post here as usual.
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:37:00 - [67] a + to what you said about drac ... " It is the same Draconian that F*ng fighted besides me and some others to get BoB out .... when you Cochise where mining for your wallet to get big. So Dont take a Ps at Drac ... search for your mistakes that you made in the past ... and those that you might do in the future. Respect "Lies save ur arse, but not for a long time"
Lowa	Posted - 2005.07.23 12:56:00 - [68] First I like to apologize if stepping into something that does not concern me but I donÆt see why you need to be so utterly hateful to each other? Both sides (apparently) made some bad moves. Period. Now, being me I would welcome the challenge; for once you have two sides that are fairly matched in strength right? You have a great opportunity to fight it out at an ôok levelö meaning no super-blobs to lag the place to bits (not that it takes much in the north CCP!) and you can create some excitement for each other. Just moving around mining, NPCing and building POS/Outposts will get boring. And when people get bored people start shooting stuff they shouldnÆt shoot. That is as close to ôthe truthö you will come in EVE so why not just say something like this: PA: We donÆt like what you did, we will harass your ass! Xelas: We donÆt like you either and will repay in the same manner! Have some fights, have some roaming, have a laugh, be forced to use your heads on how to work in such environment. What is EVE without risk? Most.boring.game.ever. There is a million things that can be used to enrich game play just because of this. A larger mining op will require guards and scouts, gate watchers and bubbles. Not easy but life in 0.0 isnÆt and I would think things like that is what binds people together? Cheers, LOWA Contact Mercenary Coalition
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:01:00 - [69] hail to that Lowa , and i think after all EVE without PvP is nothing..... well nothing can equal naps and stuff "Lies save ur arse, but not for a long time"
fl0pski	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:17:00 - [70] Edited by: fl0pski on 23/07/2005 13:17:28 Originally by: Cochise Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse And again sigh G will stay neutral in this blablabla GJ in continuesly destroying the efforts for an united north. GJ in NOW surely making XS talking with our enemies (tbh i would understand that). And Painball im really dissapointed in you GL with ur efforts in taking on a possible strong ally. GL with ur efforts when bob and five come up here, FOR U SURE NEED IT! GL to us, who will then be called AGAIN to save ur a$$es. Thanks again my good friend, You are so wise in your insight and post here as usual. Cmd Woodlouse, cochise is your good friend now, just dont expect him to stick out a hand when there's a hostile invasion. XS set all their southern friends at NAP status so they dont accidentily shoot at them. "the bigger the lie, the easier it is to convince others that its the truth." Oh and be careful with saying something negative about cochise or XS. He might have NOTES about you.

Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:27:00 - [71] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse And again sigh G will stay neutral in this blablabla snip GL to us, who will then be called AGAIN to save ur a$$es. Full Respect - Gob
christoforos	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:30:00 - [72] Edited by: christoforos on 23/07/2005 13:33:49 This is from local chat a few weeks ago: Quote: [ 2005.07.08 13:27:58 ] acidcharm > well there is going to be wars all around us [ 2005.07.08 13:28:09 ] acidcharm > we are going to try to stay neutral and hold our space [ 2005.07.08 13:33:59 ] acidcharm > we are set to 5 by bob [ 2005.07.08 13:34:07 ] acidcharm > we are just going to hold our space Even after this, we tried all this time to confirm what Xelas standing is towards BoB and 5 and make them understand why this is wrong. If we were so trigger-happy, there would be war right then. If we were greedy, we would have never given one of our regions peacefully to another alliance, to help strengthen the North. When was the last time this happened in EVE? PA is trying very hard for a united north, against the common threats, and it's clear who these are. Director of External Affairs The Phoenix Alliance
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:32:00 - [73] Originally by: fl0pski Edited by: fl0pski on 23/07/2005 13:17:28 Originally by: Cochise Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse And again sigh G will stay neutral in this blablabla GJ in continuesly destroying the efforts for an united north. GJ in NOW surely making XS talking with our enemies (tbh i would understand that). And Painball im really dissapointed in you GL with ur efforts in taking on a possible strong ally. GL with ur efforts when bob and five come up here, FOR U SURE NEED IT! GL to us, who will then be called AGAIN to save ur a$$es. Thanks again my good friend, You are so wise in your insight and post here as usual. Cmd Woodlouse, cochise is your good friend now, just dont expect him to stick out a hand when there's a hostile invasion. XS set all their southern friends at NAP status so they dont accidentily shoot at them. "the bigger the lie, the easier it is to convince others that its the truth." Oh and be careful with saying something negative about cochise or XS. He might have NOTES about you. I was way longer the friend of cochise and still am. I would be even if he was in BoB. But that has nothing to do with the new situation we will face now. Ok, maybe my post was a bit harsh but i am tired of "I heard that they napped bob, even a member admitted it", "I heard PA plans to attack FE" (and vice versa), i heard this and that rabble rabble yapp yapp. More common sense, less warmongering. But its already to late for that -G- Pink Power Only the weak will join the strong.
Cochise	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:00:00 - [74] Originally by: christoforos Edited by: christoforos on 23/07/2005 13:33:49 This is from local chat a few weeks ago: Quote: [ 2005.07.08 13:27:58 ] acidcharm > well there is going to be wars all around us [ 2005.07.08 13:28:09 ] acidcharm > we are going to try to stay neutral and hold our space [ 2005.07.08 13:33:59 ] acidcharm > we are set to 5 by bob [ 2005.07.08 13:34:07 ] acidcharm > we are just going to hold our space Even after this, we tried all this time to confirm what Xelas standing is towards BoB and 5 and make them understand why this is wrong. If we were so trigger-happy, there would be war right then. If we were greedy, we would have never given one of our regions peacefully to another alliance, to help strengthen the North. When was the last time this happened in EVE? PA is trying very hard for a united north, against the common threats, and it's clear who these are. And while your sitting there typing this your guys attacked us again. No war decree no nothing just attacked. So there is nothing more to say here as far as I am concerned war it is. Let the games begin.
christoforos	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Cochise And while your sitting there typing this your guys attacked us again. No war decree no nothing just attacked. So there is nothing more to say here as far as I am concerned war it is. Let the games begin. You said yourself a few posts back: Quote: Once again we agreed only to have their Rep return to us an hour later and have them state that they simply want a full scale war. So I assumed that you were warned and there was no point in doing it again. Director of External Affairs The Phoenix Alliance
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:36:00 - [76] Originally by: Cochise Originally by: christoforos Edited by: christoforos on 23/07/2005 13:33:49 This is from local chat a few weeks ago: Quote: [ 2005.07.08 13:27:58 ] acidcharm > well there is going to be wars all around us [ 2005.07.08 13:28:09 ] acidcharm > we are going to try to stay neutral and hold our space [ 2005.07.08 13:33:59 ] acidcharm > we are set to 5 by bob [ 2005.07.08 13:34:07 ] acidcharm > we are just going to hold our space Even after this, we tried all this time to confirm what Xelas standing is towards BoB and 5 and make them understand why this is wrong. If we were so trigger-happy, there would be war right then. If we were greedy, we would have never given one of our regions peacefully to another alliance, to help strengthen the North. When was the last time this happened in EVE? PA is trying very hard for a united north, against the common threats, and it's clear who these are. And while your sitting there typing this your guys attacked us again. No war decree no nothing just attacked. So there is nothing more to say here as far as I am concerned war it is. Let the games begin. One of your members declared us KOS in local. Didn't you expect us to retaliate? --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Danielk	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:52:00 - [77] Christoforos, This continuing attack on Xelas is illegal as it has not been voted in by PA via democractic means. The continuing attack must be called off without further delay. Failure to do so would mean PA has indeed turned dictatorial and is unable to abide by its own principles in its own charter. Furthermore, does it now mean in future that PA can engineer excuses to quench certain PA diplomats and individuals thirst for PVP in neighbouring systems and thus save them the effort of travelling half of the eve galaxy for PVP? And for the children please keep in mind: "Slanderous and defamatory statements of criticisms based on trivia and choosing to focus obsessively on trivia reveals unsound judgement and is one of the ways bullies identify and reveal themselves."
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:02:00 - [78] Originally by: Danielk Christoforos, This continuing attack on Xelas is illegal as it has not been voted in by PA via democractic means. The continuing attack must be called off without further delay. Failure to do so would mean PA has indeed turned dictatorial and is unable to abide by its own principles in its own charter. Furthermore, does it now mean in future that PA can engineer excuses to quench certain PA diplomats and individuals thirst for PVP in neighbouring systems and thus save them the effort of travelling half of the eve galaxy for PVP? And for the children please keep in mind: "Slanderous and defamatory statements of criticisms based on trivia and choosing to focus obsessively on trivia reveals unsound judgement and is one of the ways bullies identify and reveal themselves." Dictatorship? Name the dictator. PA isn't going to hang around if someone declares them KOS. But nice try Xelas alt. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
pyscho penguin	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:05:00 - [79] Quote : ' One of your members declared us KOS in local. Didn't you expect us to retaliate? --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat ' erm, who exactly was declared kos? All i saw from that local log was someone being asked to leave, then it was said a mistake had been made. Then this painball character after much profanity starting shooting. ___________________________ blah, blah, wibble, wibble. ___________________________
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:09:00 - [80] I will see if i can find the log again, it isn't that one. And can Xelas please post with their mains if they are going to post at all. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager


Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:15:00 - [81] Originally by: Cochise Moderator please lock this thread as nothing more needs to be said. Locked at the request of the author.



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