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Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:15:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ratmuss wrote:Mag's wrote:Ratmuss wrote:
the idea is to reduce rampant bounty spam.
not to limit, but to rationalize.
What rampant bounty spam? the posts of people claiming to sit on gates and put bounties on people as they enter systems the posts from players saying WTF!!! bounty on me, but why?? but yeah you're right, rampant was perhaps too strong a word. They have every right to do that. It's not yours or my place, to dictate the reason people have for placing bounties. Anyway, CCP have already nailed the rampant suggestion. I'm simply surprised, people are still trying to flog that dead horse. Under the current system, sure they have every right, but why? Why would CONCORD let a capsuleer put out a hit on another capsuleer without repercussions? Dispensing justice is CONCORD's responsibility, not the capsuleer's.
So yeah, no, I'm not a big fan of the current system. It's not a bounty, because bounties are for criminals. In the real world we call that a hit and it's illegal. Placing a hit on someone should have consequences. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:38:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Why? Because it's about player standings between each other. Concord have no place in that. Yeah, and I don't like my neighbor, but so what? The local police don't care about my standing with my neighbor, but they do care if I put a hit on her. And CONCORD does have a place in player standings between each other or they wouldn't come by and crush the guy who just podded an afk miner in 0.9 space.
Quote:Also you're dead wrong. Dispensing justice is as much a players right, as it is Concords. Haven't we pretty clearly established that a bounty has nothing to do with justice? That's not what I'm talking about. Going after a guy with a suspect flag in high sec is fine. Going after a guy with a bounty and no suspect flag is not fine. Again, not justice. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:47:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Placing bounties, is hoping someone will dispense justice. Explain to me how placing a bounty on a noob in Rookie chat is justice.
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Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:50:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Lei Gao wrote:Mag's wrote:Placing bounties, is hoping someone will dispense justice. Explain to me how placing a bounty on a noob in Rookie chat is justice. Can you read? Well enough to know that answering a question with a question isn't an answer. And well enough to know that you misspelled "analogy" in your previous post. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:01:00 -
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EVE has a pretext of law and order. There are criminals, there are suspects, there are people who skirt the law. There are people who are jerks. Being a jerk is not illegal. Placing a hit however, does not fit within the established pretext of law and order. If it's illegal to loot someone else's container, then it should be illegal to offer a payout on someone's head. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:11:00 -
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Mag's wrote:You seem to be playing the wrong game. A game where criminals hide in all areas and are not bound by NPC standings. Or you're simply still confusing a game, with RL. Who knows? What are you even talking about? People with neg sec status show up in high sec all the time. What does that have to do with the bounty system? |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:19:00 -
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Takseen wrote: Also its not like having a bounty on your head means people can safely attack you, they still need the killrights.
Which I did state in a previous post, and makes the bounty system pretty useless.
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Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:22:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Lei Gao wrote:Mag's wrote:You seem to be playing the wrong game. A game where criminals hide in all areas and are not bound by NPC standings. Or you're simply still confusing a game, with RL. Who knows? What are you even talking about? People with neg sec status show up in high sec all the time. What does that have to do with the bounty system? Bound as in anyone can be a criminal. Even noobs. The fact you thought I only meant neg sec players, speaks volumes. Okay then. Explain to me what you mean. Without asking me if I can read, please. And for the record, I was not assuming you meant only neg sec players, that was just an example I used. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:20:00 -
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Mag's wrote:The status of criminal, has a different meaning within the bounty system. Any player can be considered a criminal by another player. Some may have a very high sec status, but their actions with a corp or individual, may have made them highly despised and thus wanted. Placing a bounty doesn't make a player a criminal, nor is a player considered a criminal simply because he or she has a bounty. Nothing in the dev blogs, the Retribution notes on bounties, or in evelopedia state that. The Retribution notes say that it's another means for pilots to seek redress. That's all. Nothing about criminals. There are some pretty clear rules on what makes a criminal a criminal, and another player can't just decide that.
Quote:Then someone may consider a players actions in a chat channel criminal and place a bounty on them. As daft as any reason may sound to you and I, it's their reason and I believe we should respect that. Many calls for change, seem to be based on this. People think the reasons are wrong and want it limited to stop what they consider are, bad bounties. Well, it is daft. I don't have a problem with players putting innumerable hits on other players, but how about we call it what it is and stop pretending that Player B is a criminal because Player A decided that he was. Player B is not a criminal if he hasn't met the guidelines already set out, and that's what I mean by people who skirt the law. It's annoying and Player B may be a jerk, but he's not a criminal.
Quote:One of the early reasons for limitations, was the charge that everyone was getting a bounty. That it wouldn't be long before all of New Eden, were flying around with 100k. But this has all but vanished, mainly due to CCP's blog and it's numbers. I was pretty surprised that more people don't have bounties because someone was handing them out to nearly everyone in Rookie Chat my first day. That's pretty obnoxious, and not to mention frustrating for noobs who don't really know what it means or how it works.
But, CCP doesn't care what my opinion is anyway because they've made it clear that they're more than happy with how it works. |
Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:29:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:This all begs the question, though, why people seem to feel that not interefering with others gameplay in a direct way should be considered morally right, or "good", and why being "good" should be a protected game style. Nobody's protected in EVE. If you're a law-abiding citizen and get ganked in high sec, CONCORD doesn't protect you, they punish the guy who ganked you.
Placing a bounty is not a direct interference in someone's gameplay. You're asking a third party to take care of this nuisance for you instead of sacking up and doing it yourself. |
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Lei Gao
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.14 22:08:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Why do I need to rely upon CCP or Evelopedia, to tell me when I or anyone else for that matter, consider someone a criminal? The fact is I don't. If I decide they are in my eyes and I want them wanted, I shall place a bounty accordingly. Or simply shoot them myself. It's not your place to tell me otherwise and this is why you are misunderstanding the bounty system. You are quite obviously still of the mind, that only those with negative sec status can be criminals. How wrong you are. I'm not wrong because they are not necessarily criminals. You can't shoot someone with a bounty with CONCORD nearby if CONCORD doesn't consider them criminals. Bounty =/= Criminal. Do you understand the semantic difference between a bounty and a hit?
Quote:The bounty system is a player led standings mechanic. When a player places a bounty, they consider that person to be of a lower standing and therefore wanted. It's their personal standing towards that player. Your point? Because that person still does not automatically become a criminal.
Quote:This is another reason why I think the bounty system is great. It opens up the possibility of player retribution. Which is why it's no coincidence, that name was chosen. Which, again, I have no problem with. But it's still not a bounty, it's a hit.
Quote:Daft to you maybe, but not to someone else. That's the whole point and one that seems to elude you. What seems to be eluding you is the difference between, "I don't like you" and "You're a criminal."
Quote:I can see you think many bounties are obnoxious, others don't. I have a feeling you'll never see the other peoples views in this regard.
CCP does care, but not for those who think sandbox means the game should only be played their way. ;) Probably not, given that I had a 100k bounty my first day in EVE, and not because I asked a question, but because I answered one.
Well, you want the sandbox your way and your way just happens to be the way it's currently played, so how are you any different? All I'm saying is that in a game that does have legalities (loose as they are, I mean really, how can CONCORD possibly know if I loot someone else's container?) that a "bounty" system of placing a price on a character for any reason doesn't make sense. |
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