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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:28:00 -
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So been looking at the new BC BPOs and it appears the Cyclone and Prophecy are getting a pretty big increase in the materials cost.
A rough guess is around 16M depending on markets.
Sisi on the Left TQ on the Right. http://i.imgur.com/NqqoU9L.jpg
So, if I start building 1000 units of each now, and 1.1 hits, Im good right, no extra stuff needed? As I'm kinda smelling some nice nice profits. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1209
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:47:00 -
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Once production starts, you're set. It doesn't change once the patch hits. Same way 250k procurers were done with that patch.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Zhu Khan
Tritanium Industries and Technology High Rollers
21
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Posted - 2013.02.13 17:47:00 -
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As I am given to understand, material requirements are only checked on install. You should be good. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
459
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:45:00 -
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Just keep in mind there are many many manufacturers doing this. It may take you months to sell your stock once the patch hits. You can still get mining barges well below current build costs, and they were done about 6 months ago. Stocks still have not sold out.
If you can afford to, build them and wait until a few months after the patch for prices to come back up before you sell. Right after the patch they will be selling well below the new build costs. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1146
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:05:00 -
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Also be aware you won't be able to recycle them for the extra minerals.
They've been added as 'extra' materials, which you don't get back when recycling. (They're also unaffected by ME waste, as a side point) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Hoshi Takasu
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:23:00 -
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Based on the number of battlecruisers that have already been bought of the market in the last few weeks it will most likely take 12 to 16 months for bcs to actually reach their new price due to the massive amount of stock people will have built up.
While investing in BCS now is a nice and safe way of making money its important to remember that your money is gonna be locked up in assets until late 2013/early 2014 :p |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1152
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:51:00 -
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On the offchance people want to look at the differences, I've updated my blueprint calculator to the 1.1 data. just select it in the drop down.
No links atm. It'll change on rollout to being 1.1's data. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2712
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:51:00 -
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http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/64104/1/Retribution_Ship_Production.png
This should give you an idea of what kind of relative volume you might be dealing with. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Carniflex
StarHunt
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:00:00 -
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I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are). Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
995
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:06:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are).
Nope. The "extra" minerals are unrecoverable on refine. So it doesn't work. |
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Jita Mcpricechekr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:07:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are).
Yes, I can confirm that this is an excellent idea. Manufacturing jobs do not need to be completed, but do need to be started before the patch hits (and brings the mineral increases with it), so don't waste any time and get going now! You'll be surprised by the amount of the surplus when you recyckle them, so don't miss out! |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2712
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:03:00 -
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Jita Mcpricechekr wrote:You'll be surprised by the amount of the surplus when you recyckle them, so don't miss out!
Well played. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
183
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Posted - 2013.02.15 08:27:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are).
The way CCP's done the mineral increases, the ships will refine for their old mineral quantites regardless of whether it was made before or after.
So build ship before patch, reprocess after - get back exactly what you would have got if you'd built the ship before the patch and reprocessed it immediately. Build ship after patch, reprocess and get back a much smaller quantity of minerals than you put in.
Short answer: doesn't work. If it did, all those cruisers, barges and frigates on the market selling under the new manufacturing cost would have been bought and reprocessed already |
Carniflex
StarHunt
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Posted - 2013.02.15 09:59:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Carniflex wrote:I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are). Nope. The "extra" minerals are unrecoverable on refine. So it doesn't work.
Wait - they add these new mineral needs as "extra" materials ? Now now - thats low of them. How unfortunate. And I was getting my hopes all up in here.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1157
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:15:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:Carniflex wrote:I have been thinking in here - If I make a lot of these ships and recyckle after the patch I would be printing a lot of "free" minerals and would not have to wait for the price of the ships to start increasing some months or years after the patch (depending on how overproduced they are). Nope. The "extra" minerals are unrecoverable on refine. So it doesn't work. Wait - they add these new mineral needs as "extra" materials ? Now now - thats low of them. How unfortunate. And I was getting my hopes all up in here.
Your plan was /exactly/ the reason they did it.
It's why procurers are selling at around a third of their current manufacture price. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:23:00 -
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Maybe I'm stupid but I still don't understand why eg dropping the capabilities of a Battlecruiser such as the Hurricane by removing a high slot etc should result in a need for an approximate sixty percent increase in mineral requirements? If it is just another massive ISK sink why don't CCP come out and say this is what it is?
Just seems like Gordon Brown-style economics to me. (For Gordon Brown see what the Labour Party did to the UK.) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1157
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:28:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Maybe I'm stupid but I still don't understand why eg dropping the capabilities of a Battlecruiser such as the Hurricane by removing a high slot etc should result in a need for an approximate sixty percent increase in mineral requirements? If it is just another massive ISK sink why don't CCP come out and say this is what it is?
Just seems like Gordon Brown-style economics to me. (For Gordon Brown see what the Labour Party did to the UK.)
Current: http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/0/24702/0/5/0/5 Retribution 1.1: http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/2/24702/0/5/0/5
About 3.5 million isk worth increase in mineral requirements.
And no, it's not an isk sink. Isk isn't leaving the game, just your wallet. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Lors Dornick
Perkone Caldari State
422
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Posted - 2013.02.15 10:51:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote: So, if I start building 1000 units of each now, and 1.1 hits, Im good right, no extra stuff needed? As I'm kinda smelling some nice nice profits.
Take a look at the market history on most of the ships that are changed and notice that much of the expected profit has been speculated in for a long time (as in the first posts and dev blogs on the subject).
Same history can be observed in the past regarding changes to frigates, cruisers and esp barges/exhumers.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
313
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Posted - 2013.02.15 11:08:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Just keep in mind there are many many manufacturers doing this. It may take you months to sell your stock once the patch hits. You can still get mining barges well below current build costs, and they were done about 6 months ago. Stocks still have not sold out.
If you can afford to, build them and wait until a few months after the patch for prices to come back up before you sell. Right after the patch they will be selling well below the new build costs.
Actually, I suspect that Retriever stocks have sold out long ago. The Retriever is a sexy beast. The Procurer... Not so much.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1157
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Posted - 2013.02.15 11:16:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Just keep in mind there are many many manufacturers doing this. It may take you months to sell your stock once the patch hits. You can still get mining barges well below current build costs, and they were done about 6 months ago. Stocks still have not sold out.
If you can afford to, build them and wait until a few months after the patch for prices to come back up before you sell. Right after the patch they will be selling well below the new build costs. Actually, I suspect that Retriever stocks have sold out long ago. The Retriever is a sexy beast. The Procurer... Not so much.
Retrievers are pretty much at the right price now. They're selling, in jita, at around a million more than the minerals to make them.
Procurers are selling at a 17 million 'loss'
That's not to say the Procurer is a bad ship. It can have a good tank fitted to it, without losing a stupid percentage of yield. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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Eternal Corrosion
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
15
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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:08:00 -
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The less we talk about the BC changes, the better
If you know what i mean... I will always love LowSec |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2716
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:24:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Maybe I'm stupid but I still don't understand why eg dropping the capabilities of a Battlecruiser such as the Hurricane by removing a high slot etc should result in a need for an approximate sixty percent increase in mineral requirements? If it is just another massive ISK sink why don't CCP come out and say this is what it is?
Just seems like Gordon Brown-style economics to me. (For Gordon Brown see what the Labour Party did to the UK.)
Not an ISK sink, as no (significant amount of*) ISK will leave the economy because of it.
*Higher transaction Taxes on the newly higher priced items and the frontloaded (but still insignificant) manufacturing fees from building them all are the only ISK being sunk. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1005
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:03:00 -
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Hoshi Takasu wrote:Based on the number of battlecruisers that have already been bought of the market in the last few weeks it will most likely take 12 to 16 months for bcs to actually reach their new price due to the massive amount of stock people will have built up.
While investing in BCS now is a nice and safe way of making money its important to remember that your money is gonna be locked up in assets until late 2013/early 2014 :p
It may not be that safe. Consider that if you sink any ISK into buying hulls for sale long term, you are essentially speculating on the price of minerals.
If the null sec zealots get their way, you could see superveld and superscordite introduced into null in June. If that happens, what happens to the price of trit and pyerite, and the cost of all those ships? |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
390
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:47:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Hoshi Takasu wrote:Based on the number of battlecruisers that have already been bought of the market in the last few weeks it will most likely take 12 to 16 months for bcs to actually reach their new price due to the massive amount of stock people will have built up.
While investing in BCS now is a nice and safe way of making money its important to remember that your money is gonna be locked up in assets until late 2013/early 2014 :p It may not be that safe. Consider that if you sink any ISK into buying hulls for sale long term, you are essentially speculating on the price of minerals. If the null sec zealots get their way, you could see superveld and superscordite introduced into null in June. If that happens, what happens to the price of trit and pyerite, and the cost of all those ships? Absolutly nothing, as it will still be unprofitable to mine lowends in null, and even if the "superveld" was as profitable to mine as Arkanor, there isn't enough manufacturing capacity in null to capitalise on it. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Industrialist Ajidica
Ajidica Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.02.17 04:21:00 -
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Well I just started EVE about a month ago and currently sitting on 70'ish BC BPC, will they get added minerals to the materials if I don't use them by the time the changes come? Kinda don't have 20b+ to manufacture them all lol. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
185
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Posted - 2013.02.17 10:37:00 -
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Yes they will. All blueprints (originals and copies) will use the new mineral requirements after the change. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2743
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Posted - 2013.02.18 06:19:00 -
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Industrialist Ajidica wrote:Well I just started EVE about a month ago and currently sitting on 70'ish BC BPC, will they get added minerals to the materials if I don't use them by the time the changes come? Kinda don't have 20b+ to manufacture them all lol.
Yep
You can probably unload them now at a decent premium to people who do have that 20b. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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