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Kartha Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:43:00 -
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Give it 1-2 more tries, if still nothing...well...it's not really your thing. You can still make a good career as a freighter pilot....and count all the AUs you warp per day. |
Mr Fuego
Asarian Hegemony Blackwater Separatists
3
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:44:00 -
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I will be honest, don't know what the fanfest thing is about. I am rather out of it when it comes to things like that. I just play the game. Anyhow I also have no problem with other people doing it, that is what made me want to play in the first place. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2013.02.14 13:52:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Feel bad because of pixels on a screen?
Hey, your bank balance is just pixels on a screen too, I'm sure you wouldn't feel bad if someone made a withdrawl or two from it :)
Always found "the pixels" a silly argument. Almost as bad as "its the internet, they're not REAL people".
But yeah, OP did a bad thing and felt bad. That just means he's human.
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Silus Morde
34
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Posted - 2013.02.14 14:24:00 -
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Mr Fuego wrote:I will be honest, don't know what the fanfest thing is about. I am rather out of it when it comes to things like that. I just play the game. Anyhow I also have no problem with other people doing it, that is what made me want to play in the first place. at this point what they are talking about is ancient history. Someone got drunk and made a fool of themselves. The joke they told was in poor taste, and they suffered consequences for it.. and probably an epic hangover as well. Find YOUR own niche in this game. If betraying others, game or not, is not your thing don't do it. There are many other ways to play this game. Not everyone has to be a bad guy, every universe has some good guys too. And a whole bunch in the middle, not wholly good nor bad. Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
76
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:04:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:pixels on a screen.
I still consider myself fairly new to this game. I still have a LOT on my list of things I want to do and mostly now I'm waiting for skills to finish training to be able to do those things.
As a new-ish player, essentially an outsider looking in on EVE culture, this "it's just a game" and "pixels space" and "internet spaceships" mentality. I just don't get it. How much time and effort do you put into internet spaceship, Barbarella? Isn't this just as much of a hobby and passion as anything else? If your hobby was restoring an old Mustang and I came and smashed it with a crow bar, would you be content when I told you "Relax, it's just metal 'n ****."? So why do the EVE player base constantly seem to brush off their passion, that they obviously pour so much time, energy, effort, money and planning and, as others on this thread have mentioned, a range of emotion? and say it's nothing more than space pixels? |
Silus Morde
34
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Posted - 2013.02.14 15:31:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:pixels on a screen. I still consider myself fairly new to this game. I still have a LOT on my list of things I want to do and mostly now I'm waiting for skills to finish training to be able to do those things. As a new-ish player, essentially an outsider looking in on EVE culture, this "it's just a game" and "pixels space" and "internet spaceships" mentality. I just don't get it. How much time and effort do you put into internet spaceship, Barbarella? Isn't this just as much of a hobby and passion as anything else? If your hobby was restoring an old Mustang and I came and smashed it with a crow bar, would you be content when I told you "Relax, it's just metal 'n ****."? So why do the EVE player base constantly seem to brush off their passion, that they obviously pour so much time, energy, effort, money and planning and, as others on this thread have mentioned, a range of emotion? and say it's nothing more than space pixels? I think it is this - nobody bled real blood, no actual physical thing was broken, no real money was spent to replace the thing broken(or had to be - plex buying is optional). The thing is: This is a game, everything is replaceable (unless you have no clone). It isn't that those of us who lose things do not get pissed off, but for the most part we do not rage over it. I accept that If I lose a ship or get scammed in this game then I bear a part of the responsibility. I did something wrong - didn't align to station, wasn't aware of my surroundings, went to lo-sec assuming I wouldn't die, etc. If you come out of the blue and destroy the Mustang I just rebuilt, it is physical, money is lost and I might shoot a few bullets at you, certainly the cops will come and visit legal consequences upon you. That is real life, this is a game. Let me say it again This is a GAME. And also - losing ships, isk, skills due to an improper clone do serve to impart a lesson on game play and as such are valuable.
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
689
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:35:00 -
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They were so ass-broke after you ganked their Orca.....that all they could afford was a 5M ISK bounty????
They were obviously dirt poor to begin with, but you went ahead and took away what little they had - just for a laugh.
Its like beating up inebriated homeless people and then stealing from their shopping carts.
Funny in a sad, pathetic way. And I like it.
Good job, you are a credit to the race, and EVE. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
250
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:37:00 -
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The problem I have with this is it's just so meaningless. From what I can see, you had no reason to do this to them, no personal animosity, nothing to gain really. To me, that detracts from the game experience. Makes our universe less epic. Kind of like random war decs. To what end? None. Why bother - just to be annoying like a 13 year old boy with a crush on the pretty girl?
For example, yesterday a total stranger randomly ganked an empty Mammoth I was flying. Meh, I just warped off and we'll probably never see each other again. As nearly as useless an encounter as can be.
In the end, it doesn't matter really, it's just how Eve is, so no need to feel guilty about it. It's just a game and you acted within the rules. Should the game be changed? Maybe, I don't know. Some people have suggested a toggle for whether corp mates are allowed to shoot you or not. Doesn't matter to me really, you just adjust your play to whatever mechanics are in place and do whatever you deem fun.
I just wish there were some purpose to these types of things, something more than bored players essentially trying to troll total strangers. |
Spine Ripper
New Order Logistics CODE.
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 19:51:00 -
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Let me just say from personal experience that the first few times you do something like this you do feel a bit of remorse or pity. Don't worry, its just your humanity showing through.
Just keep doing it and those feelings will go away. In my case, it took about 20 or so times before I didn't feel it at all. |
Winchester Steele
92
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:03:00 -
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Mr Fuego wrote:Well more or less it was just the excitement they seemed to have for their corp. I don't know I feel I ruined it for them.
Those type of corps are doomed to failure honestly. You did these "newbs" (noob in an orca, ya right) a favour. If it hadn't been you now, it would have been someone else later. Eve is hard, deal with it. Hi-Sec needs a CSM rep with Courage, Dignity and Conviction. In these dark and trying times we need a man of action to represent our interests and protect the sanctity of our sandbox. That man is James 315 and his time is now. 315 for CSM 8! |
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Winchester Steele
92
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:09:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:The moment you take away accountability, the only thing left to govern one's actions is their own integrity.
I would say you passed.
It's completely different when the person isn't an ******* or is clearly sorta new/doesn't understand. True it is still part of the game, but as somebody pointed out, let's not drive them to commiting suicide here.
I have had similar instances, where afterwards, I might send the person money/let them have what was left over after the explosion. Have even made long term friends that way.
See I totally disagree here. It's a game where treachery is encouraged. I have an AWOX alt and I really enjoy kicking peoples sand castles down. IN GAME. In RL, I am happily married with 3 beautiful children, and I live and work with a great deal of integrity every day. To say that *I* as a RL person have no integrity because I awox'd some space pixels is the pinnacle of absurdity.
Accountability?? It's a video game, get over yourself dude. Hi-Sec needs a CSM rep with Courage, Dignity and Conviction. In these dark and trying times we need a man of action to represent our interests and protect the sanctity of our sandbox. That man is James 315 and his time is now. 315 for CSM 8! |
Helican Vamberfeld
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:39:00 -
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For what its worth:
I was scammed for the first time (and last) by my first CEO for over 2bil isk (Corp investment pyramid scheme to fund his terrible pvp habits.) I have had my hauler ganked (learned to fit shield extenders and invulns and warp-to-0), shown the error of my ways while being horrible at solo PvP (learned not to forget to load cap boosters), killed in a low-sec entry system (learned not to ignore my autopilot route). In 2009 I started an Industry oriented corp from nothing to having over 50 members in hi-sec and had over 13bil in assets stolen by a trusted associated with access to sensitive corp hangars (learned how to better manage Corp roles).
I spent most of my time mentoring my members through the nasty bits of Eve, working and FCing through grief-decs, ganks and scams, passing my experience and knowledge on to my members. Hoping to impart wisdom before they fell victim.
I took that corp and all the miners, carebears and n00bs in it to a null-sec alliance and built it into over 75 members and topped out the killboards four monthes running and made a ton of isk while I was at it. RL took a turn for the absurd and I gave all my members away to another corp in the alliance to be able to manage my time better.
The point is, if you learn, you will profit in this game. If you taught those players anything, your actions, however you may feel about them, may have done some good. I would though offer that the feelings you experienced may just be used as a catalyst for improving the Eve experience for others as a CEO yourself. Personal code of honor is a good thing and you will find many who are like minded and will return the good works done with loyalty and service.
Just remember, loyalty and service should not necessarily translate in roles and access to corporate hangars. Trust, just not too much.
- HV
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Savnire Jacitu
The Void Has Eyes
59
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:35:00 -
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I once found myself in a situation very similar to yours. I joined a corp with intent to kill them all, but they turned out to be pretty cool people. So after a week or so I just said, hey I was actually going to kill you all but I don't want to anymore. Left the corp and still keep in contact with the people.
Now I do my homework and work through alts. If they turn out to be a bunch of dicks flopping around in space then I proceed with my plans, otherwise I just quietly leave without them ever knowing what I was really there for. <corrupt> |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
9
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:30:00 -
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Only situation in which I feel remotely bad for setting a trap and pulling it off is if the target is brand new to the game. (e.g. 96 hour old toon, and I didn't realise that until after setting the trap)
If you have the skills and capital to fly a Hulk you are not brand new.
But this is EVE - a game with two rules.
1) If you can't afford to lose it, don't undock in it. 2) Never trust anyone unless you can punch them in the face IRL.
Your short-term employers broke both. TBH if I were you I'd have shot the pods too. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
211
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Posted - 2013.02.15 05:46:00 -
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The feeling of guilt will pass.
If they undocked - they consent to being blown up. No need to feel bad as you didn't press undock for them. + If they can fly an orca - they can afford the loss.
Remember - isk has no other purpose in eve except to be sploded one day. You have helped the isk they have earned become meaningful instead of just a number on a screen. Good work.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
dark heartt
Space Truckers Assoc
11
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Posted - 2013.02.15 06:01:00 -
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Never feel bad. Eve is a place where people will kill you for .01 isk if they could. It's cold and unforgiving and you need to be. |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
19
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:50:00 -
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Mr Fuego wrote:he did not appear to have much money left.
So we popped it
That is my favourite part of this thread.
Also it's fun to pop orcas. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Atrocitas
110
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Posted - 2013.02.15 11:32:00 -
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Mr Fuego wrote:I suppose I will see if I can contact them and give them a bit of isk, I am pretty poor myself. I guess I am not pirate material but that's alright I suppose I will just consider myself a pvper. If you want to consider yourself a pvper you'll have to get over feeling bad for destroying other people ships, because it will happen a lot. You need to think of it as if you are a boxer, your opponent should not be getting in the ring if being punched in the face in this context is going to seriously bother him (in this case EVE is the ring). If you want to be a pvper in low sec get used to the idea of your sec status getting low, very low. Being -10.0, people often seem to feel like I deserve to lose my ships but I look at it this way: If you came to low with a point fitted you're here to fight, probably to gank some easy target, the fact it didn't go well doesn't entitle you to sympathy. Besides that you and I are in the same boat, the only difference is that if your sec staus is high it's because you care about it (some because it makes them feel they are "good" by having high standing) and I don't care about my sec status. Someone has to get this pvp ball rolling though and I'm willing to give it a shove, whether you're ready or not.
People are often hesitant to engage, I have no idea what is running through their heads but most people even sitting in an obvious place and seeming to me like they want to fight but for some reason will not lock and aggress me until after I attack them. Since I'm -10.0 they do not even face consequences for doing so, so I tend to have to give them some, shall we call it incentive...Being the first to engage will drop your sec status but no pvp happens if someone doesn't start it, so be prepared to open fire on someone who may not "deserve" it so to speak. The line between pirate/non-pirate, good/bad is blurred and often crossed and your security status does not reflect what you are, but don't for one second, think that sitting next to a neutral in low sec is safe because he has 5.0 sec status. Despite my -10 security standing I do live by a code of my own, it basically boils down keeping my word once given, although other than ransoms, I almost never give it. I'm a pvper first and a pirate second. I want the killmail from your ship but I want the ransom from your pod but a ransom demand is not worth a damn if it's not backed up by the threat to follow through if you're not paid. It's up to you to decide where you draw the line.
The alternative is to try your hand at fighting only willing enemies in high sec but in my experience these are often traps or docking games and even though not every fight is a trap a good deal of them are. Suspect flagging may have complicated things but someone else will have to help you there, it doesn't apply to me so I didn't bother to learn it. |
Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
16
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Posted - 2013.02.15 11:50:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
See I totally disagree here. It's a game where treachery is encouraged. I have an AWOX alt and I really enjoy kicking peoples sand castles down. IN GAME. In RL, I am happily married with 3 beautiful children, and I live and work with a great deal of integrity every day. To say that *I* as a RL person have no integrity because I awox'd some space pixels is the pinnacle of absurdity.
Accountability?? It's a video game, get over yourself dude.
You just proved my point.
You are not held accountable for what your character does, and you even made an alt so you would be held even less accountable, so you feel free to do what ever you want.
Some people play the game with real life emotions attached, others play it as the tough guys they can't be in real life.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's what makes EVE what it is. Otherwise we would all be in high sec refusing to fight.
And EVE is more than just pixels on a screen, otherwise people wouldn't care how many titans are destroyed, or what the current price of a plex is. Clearly the majority of players have a larger tie to it.
Hence why some people flip **** if something is destroyed...others could care less. |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
19
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Posted - 2013.02.15 12:46:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:
See I totally disagree here. It's a game where treachery is encouraged. I have an AWOX alt and I really enjoy kicking peoples sand castles down. IN GAME. In RL, I am happily married with 3 beautiful children, and I live and work with a great deal of integrity every day. To say that *I* as a RL person have no integrity because I awox'd some space pixels is the pinnacle of absurdity.
Accountability?? It's a video game, get over yourself dude.
You just proved my point. You are not held accountable for what your character does, and you even made an alt so you would be held even less accountable, so you feel free to do what ever you want. Some people play the game with real life emotions attached, others play it as the tough guys they can't be in real life. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's what makes EVE what it is. Otherwise we would all be in high sec refusing to fight. And EVE is more than just pixels on a screen, otherwise people wouldn't care how many titans are destroyed, or what the current price of a plex is. Clearly the majority of players have a larger tie to it. Hence why some people flip **** if something is destroyed...others could care less.
Are you refering to Theory666? |
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
218
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:08:00 -
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After having been a high sec miner, failed industrialist, mission runner, pet for a now deceased big power block, and being laughed at, killed, chased, insulted, humilliated, lied to, looked down on and ignored, one day I sold all my stuff in our rented space, went out in a frigate, joined a small PvP corp and never looked back.
I hate each and every pilot out there, and would go through great pains to kill a mere shuttle or a pod. I condone blobbing, metagaming, Falcon and logistics abusing, logon trapping, spying, ruining the game for others, Local trashing, being generally uncool and depriving everybody of their toys and their fun and their kills.
I do honor ransoms and I don't scam because I find it boring and I have plenty of Isk, but that's about it. I just want to kill every single ship out there, multiple times, and throw countless frozen corpses to the heap I'm building.
Some men want to see the world burn. But I am not one of them.
I just want to widdle in the ashes afterwards. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:32:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Mr Fuego wrote:I suppose I will see if I can contact them and give them a bit of isk, I am pretty poor myself. I guess I am not pirate material but that's alright I suppose I will just consider myself a pvper. If you want to consider yourself a pvper you'll have to get over feeling bad for destroying other people ships, because it will happen a lot. You need to think of it as if you are a boxer, your opponent should not be getting in the ring if being punched in the face in this context is going to seriously bother him (in this case EVE is the ring).
I feel a lot different opening fire on a wartarget or pirate(or anyone I can legally engage) in lowsec, than I would about ganking someone in highsec, vs shooting a "corpmate". Its like the difference between Rocky beating up Apollo Creed in the ring, and breaking guy's fingers for a loan shark in a back alley. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2013.02.15 13:38:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:
See I totally disagree here. It's a game where treachery is encouraged. I have an AWOX alt and I really enjoy kicking peoples sand castles down. IN GAME. In RL, I am happily married with 3 beautiful children, and I live and work with a great deal of integrity every day. To say that *I* as a RL person have no integrity because I awox'd some space pixels is the pinnacle of absurdity.
Accountability?? It's a video game, get over yourself dude.
Interesting. Either you think you're not playing with real people, or you'd be ok kicking down people's sand castles down at the local beach too. Perhaps while wearing a pirate mask.
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Friggz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.15 15:43:00 -
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I'm more or less the same way. My first and only scam was in UO, a fake house selling scam before they could be traded securely. I felt like ****, and I've never scammed in game again.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not averse to pvp. I'd even be okay with griefing in hi-sec and war deccing mining corps to exploit them and all that fun stuff.
The line for me is I don't enjoy earning the trust of a person then betraying them. To me that crosses a personal line I have. Of course, anything short of that line is fair game... |
AquSe PixKha
Night Avengers
0
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:46:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Feel bad because of pixels on a screen? Hardly.
Feel bad to trying to drive a player to commit suicide while speaking on-stage at a gaming get-together?
Oh, right sorry... can't talk about that here.
I honestly feel like the whole "Pixels on a screen" fiasco is completely stupid.
-You're just a bunch of particles, why should you feel about cutting off a bunch of particles?- -Your PP account is only a bunch of pixels on a screen, why the **** would you not give these pixels on a screen to me? No need to feel bad about it, it's just some pixels on a screen. -Or maybe you want me to give me some of your bank notes and coins, those things are only a bunch of paper and metal!
The point I'm trying to say is that everything has value to it, a personal value, or a value that society gives it to the thing. And you feel sad about those pixels on a screen, you really do. These pixels on a screen can drive emotion, and that's what they do. They are a bunch of pixels on a screen, that you care about.
On topic: I didn't ruin anybody's day, just yet. |
Jaxem Rau
Spatial Anomalies
21
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:57:00 -
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Even if you feel bad you probably understand that this "freedom" of action is why a lot of people play the game. This game is famous for its hostile nature. You can decide if you are going to help other people in this hostile game or be part of the group that are in essence its villains. Player villains are what make the game challenging and interesting for the players. Do some people enjoy playing the role too much? Probably. But if noone wanted to play that part, Eve would become very dull fast.
-J |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
9
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Posted - 2013.02.16 05:55:00 -
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I can't imagine how boring this game would be if noone ever tried to set devious traps for me. |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
10
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:43:00 -
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"The silence is deafening." |
Mr Fuego
Asarian Hegemony Blackwater Separatists
6
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Posted - 2013.02.17 07:27:00 -
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Well this has been a very interesting thread in my opinion. I love that everyone has the ability to **** people over so badly. But I do not think I will be doing it anymore, thanks for the stories and helping me come to terms with the evil things I did. See you guys out there. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
10
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Posted - 2013.02.17 08:06:00 -
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Mr Fuego wrote:Well this has been a very interesting thread in my opinion. I love that everyone has the ability to **** people over so badly. But I do not think I will be doing it anymore, thanks for the stories and helping me come to terms with the evil things I did. See you guys out there.
It's not doing nasty things.
It's creating stories. That's the reason every ship is built - to be exploded in a way that tells a story.
Signed: Someone that found an AFK Slepnir in lowsec last night with a 1400m ISK clone. |
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