I am more interested about JFs.
Some guys keep telling me I am mad flying a JF around (including hi sec) because it's profitable to gank even when empty.

Is this a gross idiocy or not? I admit I have no experience about JFs salvage, I only have a lot about barges, exhumers and destroyers salvage

The cost of the average gankfleet?

ah.

Well if this is true I just wasted like 10 minutes writing this hehe.

wondering what ECM and Logistics will help when your freighter gets killed by an alpha strike ... but thats just my 2 cent

yep.I certainly proved something. Enough time wasted on you i think.

Jump freighters are an even bigger issue it seems from the replies so far.

it takes original calcs and adds 5bn more into the mix.

and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.

I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.

So when you gonna lay off the moon goo then?

There's an impossible bias towards Pirates/Criminals:
1) They are allowed everywhere, where the non-pirates are being killed if we dare enter their territory.
2) A pirate in Hi-Sec (which is completely illogical, in RL they would not even be tolerated in 0.5 space) is PROTECTED from being killed. Targetting a Pirate/Criminal is basically enough to get aggression from the CCP-Concorde. Even if you have a high standing with the space you are in.

We can complain about this until our tongues are worn off, nothing will change.
Probably because one of the Criminals is a GM.
Yes, they are very favorable biassed...

you cant have it both ways: either its teams and thats how the game works, or its not teams, in which case arguments stating freighter should have an escort are flawed at best.

I, too, want an 8-men escort fleet for all my freighters at all times.

Recruiting now.
Be prepared to travel...a lot.

Awoxers are welcome.

Whitehound - I stand corrected, thanks.

To the Goon above, don't be so vesecious, I never said it should be filled with the lowest density/highest values one could possibly find and moved on autopilot.

Just for most every day loads, I usually find mine mostly empty through fear of overloading it. Guess I'm doing it wrong.

I'm a freighter pilot and I've also participated in ganking one or two over the years.

My perspective is this:

Freighters should have some flexible fitting options like other haulers do.

Why? For the very reason you posted.

You can calculate whether or not you can kill a freighter and whether or not it's going to be (on average) profitable to do so on a calculator. This discussion proves that.

The best example of this that I can think of was during burn Jita when one of Goons FC's literally worked out on a calculator how many T1 frigates of a certain type it would take to kill a freighter. He then got a fleet together, everyone fit up what he wanted and they went out and proved that his calculation was right. The thing was done on paper, not in EVE.

I think that's wrong.

Giving freighters some flexible fitting options will create a variable in the equation.

Havihng a couple of low-slots and a couple of rig slots would allow freighter pilots to choose between different priorities, for example:

- more EHP (hull modules and/or trimarks and other armor mods) vs slower aligning and less cargo space
- more cargo room at the expense of EHP
- faster aligning (inertia stabs) at the expense of other priorities.

You could even put a warp core stab on it although most freighter pilots would know that it won't help... but still....

The packaged M3 for Carriers and Dread's are not really a valued number in the game. No ship can carry them when they are packaged and they will never be undocked in that state. They come in at 1,000,000 M3 packaged. If that number were pushed up to 2 mill or even 5 it wouldn't matter one way or the other in terms of how they are handled in the game. It is the only reason freighters do not have rig slots or a single low slot.

If the numbers on packaged capitals were jacked up CCP could add a single low slot and or Rig slots to the freighters as well as the Jump Freighters. If someone wants to crank up their hold, let them. For those with more brains than a big dog, they could multiply the EHP of the ship and improve Inertia. Goonswarm or more specific, Bat Co seem to think EVE players is too dumb ta do it right anyway, they will still gett heir stupid kills and people like me would no longer feel any pity for them because they made a decision. Right now, it's nothing but a cow in space, in a game everyone seems to agree is full of wolves.

I can get Battleships to higher EHP than the freighters have. Because the freighters EHP is all in the hull you can't logi a freighter. I know, I've tried. In a game where blap should be in the logo, freighter EHP and distribution is a serious problem.

And yet here you are, like you are in every thread about buffing EHP on a freighter, saying there is no need. If it's all about stupid, why so serious?

A freighter is a capital ship. Not a combat ship? You can shoot at it, that makes it a combat ship. A capital ship should not have less EHP than a sub capital with no option to fit and fortify it in a game that grants the right to shoot you while in one. It's a big fat cow.

it should also require the Capital Ship skill book to even fly but that's another issue.

If you want to drag real world examples in to this, lets look at the real world implications of blowing up the Marco Polo and then just rolling in to a port to wait out your 15 minute rage moment.

Back in EVE though, my advice to people is that if you are High Sec doing High Sec business, get an Orca and get rid of your freighter. You don't need it and you will see it once you are in the Orca that will run you 33% of the cost the freighter is running you. Freighters for expediting from Null to HS and according to all the seers, when they buff Null Industrial that won't be needed any more. Things should correct itself in the end.

Pirates didn't roll in to Madrid like they were just your average tug boat captain either, not even in the height of piracy.

I agree on the Trit and Talos factor but High Sec people don't need ten Talos or 80 million trit

And you still missed the point. That trit was not aimed at HS or their ships.