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Karrin Rawlter
Rawlter Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:17:00 -
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Hello everyone. I'm about 3 weeks into the game and starting to figure some things out (both in game and the meta-politics stuff), so i figured now would be a good time to recount my experience, get some questions answered, and vent a little. I saw some pics online of the Battle of Asakai and my fiancee and I decided to give Eve a try. Another couple had seen some adverts and were looking for a new game to play, so we four decided to try Eve out. It very much appealed (appeals) to my style of playing games, so I made sure to read up as much as possible about the game, but everyone else was totally fresh.
So we roll our characters, and right off the bat we notice: the User Interface is not at all intuitive. Windows cover over 50% of the space on the screen. Giant letters covered every system we tried to click in the map, we couldn't move probes because we couldn't find the solar system map and once we did, we couldn't move the probes because we kept clicking on the stupid planet instead. The automatic sizing of the windows cuts out vital information (why the *** won't it let me warp to this cosmic signature?) Every time we conquered one of these UI-realted problems, more would pop up, and there is almost no information about the game IN the game. Hell, even the official Wiki is either wrong or missing information half the time (they call the Navitas a mining ship and have it's stats totally wrong). So cut to day three and frustrations are pretty high.
We log on and run some of the career tutorials out of Trossere. After a while, we decide to take a break and see if we can make some money, and quickly find out that massive scordite is the best selling item we are able to obtain. We can't find any in Trossere, what with all the other newbies, so we head through a jump gate. Not twenty seconds after arriving in the system, some guy from some corp (New World Order or something like that?) says that he and his corp are going to charge us 10 mil ISK per day to mine there. Now, having read up on Eve I was prepared for something like this and promptly told him to **** off and that I knew CONCORD would get him. He responds that he's flying a 3 mil suicide something or other and that there's no way we can stop him.
At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time. |
Vin King
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:21:00 -
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Spreadsheeeeeets in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaceeee
Edit: Don't forget your mining permit. 315 4 CSM 8 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3472
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:22:00 -
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Hoo boy.
Goodnight folks. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:23:00 -
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When I started reading you post I was forumulating a response along the lines of:
Yeah, EVE online is still a computer game from the early 2000's. It still things right click to interface with main functionality is a good thing. The whole UI could use a real overhaul.
But about the part of New Order. I have never run into New Order in the past several months of their operations. I don't know if I am good about finding quiet systems but I think its not that hard to move elsewhere.
I know New Order doesn't operate in the Mili system. Maybe try going there. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
632
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:23:00 -
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Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
We don't want your two friends.
In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1157
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:26:00 -
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2/10 for effort. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Karrin Rawlter
Rawlter Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:28:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:
We don't want your two friends.
In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either.
You're missing the point - two weeks in and the experience would have been a fun, player created challege that would have made the game enjoyable. But when you're trying to figure out how to lock onto multiple targets and fly your ship? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2239
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:29:00 -
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So are you whining about Eve being difficult or suicide banking? Either way the response would be HTFU or GTFO. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:30:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
We don't want your two friends. In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either.
What do you mean we? I prefer to have high subscription numbers so CCP doesnt' have to lay off its developers and therfore inducing the stagnation of the game. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:32:00 -
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[img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/ui.jpg[/img]
I'm going to print OP's story out and frame it. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2239
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:35:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
We don't want your two friends. In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either. What do you mean we? I prefer to have high subscription numbers so CCP doesnt' have to lay off its developers and therfore inducing the stagnation of the game. Eve is not for everyone. Has never been, will never be. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
804
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Posted - 2013.02.16 03:35:00 -
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This suicide ganking is going well guys
*GOLFCLAP* --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Zak Breen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:05:00 -
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There's no point in complaining about this. The hardcore players like that it isn't popular. It makes them feel special and unique when in reality, they aren't. They sit in their little null-sec havens, scraping up imaginary currency, and call themselves awesome because they have played a game way too long.
EVE has the most horrible community of any MMO. You're better off going to the wiki rather than coming here for anything more than, "lol can i haz ur stuff? xD xD" |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:18:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
We don't want your two friends. In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either. What do you mean we? I prefer to have high subscription numbers so CCP doesnt' have to lay off its developers and therfore inducing the stagnation of the game. Eve is not for everyone. Has never been, will never be.
I'd rather not EvE go the way of Warhammer Online. You need fresh blood to keep an MMO alive. You cannot simply rely on current subscibers to keep you afloat indefinatley. Eventually even the most loyal vetern will quit. This is why new subscriptions are important.
Unless you enjoy playing with yourself. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:19:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:There's no point in complaining about this. The hardcore players like that it isn't popular. It makes them feel special and unique when in reality, they aren't. They sit in their little null-sec havens, scraping up imaginary currency, and call themselves awesome because they have played a game way too long.
EVE has the most horrible community of any MMO. You're better off going to the wiki rather than coming here for anything more than, "lol can i haz ur stuff? xD xD"
Self-righteous much? |
Ai Shun
871
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:42:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I'd rather not EvE go the way of Warhammer Online. You need fresh blood to keep an MMO alive. You cannot simply rely on current subscibers to keep you afloat indefinatley. Eventually even the most loyal vetern will quit. This is why new subscriptions are important.
And EVE retains and gains the types of players that are suited to the game. Being in constant development with free expansions and near constant account growth for a decade shows that this game is not going to the way of Warhammer Online.
I too would much prefer that players not suited to the game who will only moan and change EVE to stay the @#!! out of EVE. To those that love the game and enjoy it for what it is - welcome them with open arms*.
* Because if they're close enough to hug you can probably lift their ISK a bit easier.
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5418
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:53:00 -
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Karrin Rawlter,
Welcome to Eve.
Despite all the negative replies from the wanna be leet forum posers, I encourage you and your friends not to give up so easily. Right at first this game is overwhelming but it get's much easier as you become familiar with the most important aspect of this game:
- Settings -
Each and every UI window has a setting option. They can be sized and pinned to stay any way you want. The map also has settings to remove the names. In fact, every aspect of this game has settings. There's also settings available in the Esc menu.
One other thing to remember, this sub-forum section is the cesspool of Eve Forums. The best place for new players to learn and have questions answered is in the sub-forum EVE New Citizens Q&A
Good luck to you and definitely don't let anyone bully you. This 'New Order' is nothing to worry about. If they waste a 3 mill ship to gank a rookie ship in high security, then they're even dumber than I thought. If they continue to harass you, file a petition in-game about them. One thing CCP doesn't like is new players getting messed with by older more experienced players.
By the way, high security belongs to Non Player Characters (NPC's), otherwise known as Empire Factions. Not some group of losers who think they're leet due to preying on inexperienced new players.
DMC
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:59:00 -
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Karrin Rawlter wrote:Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time. Here's an alternative idea. Why not HTFU and not rage quit over losing a cheapo, disposable ship that you got for free from the tutorial? I haven't played console games and/or WoW for a long time, but I assume they do still let you die? Players die in videogames. Get over it. Oh and I'm sitting in Youl running lv2's while I train up enough to go back to 0.0 or something. If you see James again can you send him my way? I'll equip a mining laser just for him. I could use something to break up the monotony and getting pseudo-ransomed might make me less home sick.
I don't want to be one of those out of touch old people that just doesn't understand the next generation. I used to really hate those guys. On the other hand you sissy, Beiber listening, twilight watching, dyke haircut getting momma's boys just had the most exciting thing of your MMO lives happen to you and all you can do is cry about it like the 12 year old girls you look like. Running into James is about the least harsh thing that can happen to you in Eve. If you can't even deal with that then what are you even doing here to begin with?
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2013.02.16 05:17:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:EVE has the most horrible community of any MMO. Your entire post stinks of butthurt over something or other, so I'm inclined to just ignore it as the trash it is, but this statement is just incredible.
The EVE community is bad? Then I take it you never used EVEMon? Any of the fitting tools? Any of the trade tools? Read any of the innumerable guides on the forums? Used EVE-Search? Read any of the blogs that provide news coverage over the entire cluster? Asked an intelligent question in the appropriate forum (I bet not)? Been to fanfest? Heard of EVE-Uni? Etc, etc.
EVE's community is as good as they come. That the verbal exchanges between players tend to be a bit robust is merely the product of this being a (relatively) hardcore competitive game which the players actually care about. If you don't like it, HTFU or GTFO. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.16 05:31:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Zak Breen wrote:EVE has the most horrible community of any MMO. Your entire post stinks of butthurt over something or other, so I'm inclined to just ignore it as the trash it is, but this statement is just incredible. The EVE community is bad? Then I take it you never used EVEMon? Any of the fitting tools? Any of the trade tools? Read any of the innumerable guides on the forums? Used EVE-Search? Read any of the blogs that provide news coverage over the entire cluster? Asked an intelligent question in the appropriate forum (I bet not)? Been to fanfest? Heard of EVE-Uni? Etc, etc. EVE's community is as good as they come. That the verbal exchanges between players tend to be a bit robust is merely the product of this being a (relatively) hardcore competitive game which the players actually care about. If you don't like it, HTFU or GTFO.
I don't think the massive amount of bile and filth some of the player base produce have anything in common with the stuff you mention.
I mean GD isn't the shinning example of kindness and openess.
When you say HTFU and GTFO you aren't being helpful or encouraging for example.
You are just proving the person's point you are replying too. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2013.02.16 06:08:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I mean GD isn't the shinning example of kindness and openess. So you are saying that on top of all the work the community puts into the game, every player must also treat every whine post with nothing but the utmost politeness, even when posted on the designated "posts that don't fit on any of the productive forums" forum? Truly a reasonable demand. Perhaps you'd like someone to go to his house and give him some guidance in person while they're at it? Please.
Captain Tardbar wrote:When you say HTFU and GTFO you aren't being helpful or encouraging for example. Wrong. One of the earliest and most important lessons I learned in this game was to take the hits and keep going. That moment of decision, that first moment when you get butthurt over something bad happening and react either one way or the other, is what differentiates people like the OP's friends and people who are still around seven years later telling people to HTFU. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.02.16 06:20:00 -
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While the game is usually fairly rough on newbies OP, dont give up. Its alot easier if you find the right corp of experienced, albeit, bored australians to mine/pvp with on the weekends when they are drunk on mumble (thats hwo i got my first faction-vindicator kill in lowsec, and got hotdropped by 3 carriers that tried to save the vindi and failed).
and as far as getting ransomed by the New Order guy, honestly you were in the wrong place at the worng time, those guys are asses, but they at elast break up the monotony of highsec. just move to another region to play in, takes all of 10 minutes of flying. |
Ai Shun
873
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Posted - 2013.02.16 08:00:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:When you say HTFU and GTFO you aren't being helpful or encouraging for example. Wrong. One of the earliest and most important lessons I learned in this game was to take the hits and keep going. That moment of decision, that first moment when you get butthurt over something bad happening and react either one way or the other, is what differentiates people like the OP's friends and people who are still around seven years later telling people to HTFU.
Moreover; do you want somebody to have a false expectation of the game? What is kinder - letting them know up-front what to expect or trying to sugar coat and protect them until they've invested their time, money and energy into something that is not suited to them?
Be honest. Let people understand what the core of the game encapsulates. Don't try and deceive them in a bid for subscribers. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
636
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Posted - 2013.02.16 08:05:00 -
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Karrin Rawlter wrote:Kahega Amielden wrote:
We don't want your two friends.
In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either.
You're missing the point - two weeks in and the experience would have been a fun, player created challege that would have made the game enjoyable. But when you're trying to figure out how to lock onto multiple targets and fly your ship?
OP was in the game for weeks. He specifically rejected a "player created challenge" in favor of logging off and whining on the forums. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3472
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:28:00 -
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Maybe my advantage when I started 3 years ago was that I had never played an MMO before. Never. So, anything that 'happened' to me, getting podded within my first 15 seconds in Low Sec, getting exploded when I took my stuff back out of a can , and all the accompanying confusion, just made me more determined to find out just what the heck was going on.
I got some help on the Rookie channel, asked people in Local what had happened, and in general sought advice about what to do. Even my first hard earned Retriever was exploded and I had to grind for a week or so in a cruiser again to afford another one. I still didn't stop playing. I wanted to do well in EVE, and I just plunged forward and learned how to logistically and strategically protect myself, especially as I was a hunted miner.
I don't know what advice to give OP really, and I'm not even sure it's a legitimate posting as 98% of GD is Forum Alt sputum. I guess the only difference in my experience is when I was new I never had to deal with the idiotic extortion tactics of The New Order. I do consider that as griefing nowbies, and just a lazy way to make ISK for bored NullSec Alts. But really it's not hard to avoid them.
I guess I'm curious as to why one would whine on the Forum instead of trying to ask for information on just how to get through the new player phase. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3825
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:36:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'd rather not EvE go the way of Warhammer Online. You need fresh blood to keep an MMO alive. You cannot simply rely on current subscibers to keep you afloat indefinatley. Eventually even the most loyal vetern will quit. This is why new subscriptions are important.
Unless you enjoy playing with yourself.
A like to you, because you too have seen what happens when a game dries up and only "vets" remain. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3825
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:37:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up.
Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
We don't want your two friends. In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either.
To be honest, I'd gladly do fine without you either. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
259
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:49:00 -
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Karrin Rawlter wrote: Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time.
You should stick around long enough for the "Duelling" to begin with the next patch on the 22nd (or so).
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1119
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Posted - 2013.02.16 13:53:00 -
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Not really surprising, Eve is not very forgiving for new players. Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
291
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Posted - 2013.02.16 14:04:00 -
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Karrin Rawlter wrote: Not twenty seconds after arriving in the system, some guy from some corp (New World Order or something like that?) says that he and his corp are going to charge us 10 mil ISK per day to mine there. Now, having read up on Eve I was prepared for something like this and promptly told him to **** off and that I knew CONCORD would get him. He responds that he's flying a 3 mil suicide something or other and that there's no way we can stop him.
This is what happens to every new player in one way or another.
Some say ""Well this is stupid", log off, and will not pick the game back up. "
The rest of us smile slightly sadistically, say to ourselves "You shouldn't have done that mate", and make a mental note of their name.
This is how Eve players are born. As long as there is stuff left to kill, EVE is alive. |
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