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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:19:00 -
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Cearain wrote:5) Gallente crying at people, who post facts about how their precious "carebear race medal" was won, is priceless. Again, you fail at being able to differentiate between backwater systems and populated systems.
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:58:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:5) Gallente crying at people, who post facts about how their precious "carebear race medal" was won, is priceless. Again, you fail at being able to differentiate between backwater systems and populated systems.
Stop wimpering about backwater systems.
Here is a plexer from a system you said people care about:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18848781
Just admit what you and everyone else in faction war already knows. The medal was awarded for a mechanic that is so broken, only batshit crazy people care about it.
Your denial of this is constraining your mental capacity.
In other words loosen your grip on that medal, free your mind, and repeat after me. "The sov war is not working as intended." Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:03:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Actually it is. VP is a measure of how much you have pushed a system toward your sides occupancy. Actually, it's not the only measure. There may be some guys killing farmers entering their system. Because they are dead, the farmers can't rack up LP numbers. Your figure of merit doesn't measure how much those players do denying the other side VP.
Sure it does. Those who lose ships in pvp and are therefore denied vp for the time they go reship are not getting as much vp as those who avoid pvp.
That is why the people at the top of the list are all carebear alts. The system is set up so you are most efficient at plexing if you avoid combat. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1069
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:27:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Sure it does. Those who lose ships in pvp and are therefore denied vp for the time they go reship are not getting as much vp as those who avoid pvp. (try saying that 5 times fast)
That is why the people at the top of the list are all carebear alts. The system is set up so you are most efficient at plexing if you avoid combat. You were listing the most active LP whores, not necessarily the most effective participants in the occupancy war. And we've already established that yes they are the most effective occupancy "warriors" in the hinterlands. We've also established that they do nothing of consequence in the highly populated systems. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:47:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Sure it does. Those who lose ships in pvp and are therefore denied vp for the time they go reship are not getting as much vp as those who avoid pvp. (try saying that 5 times fast)
That is why the people at the top of the list are all carebear alts. The system is set up so you are most efficient at plexing if you avoid combat. You were listing the most active LP whores, not necessarily the most effective participants in the occupancy war. And we've already established that yes they are the most effective occupancy "warriors" in the hinterlands. We've also established that they do nothing of consequence in the highly populated systems.
No not lp, whores vp gainers. VP is directly related to occupancy. Perhaps you don't know the mechanics and therefore miss the relevance.
Look at the links I provided to a system you called listed as one people cared about.
You know its not that easy to kill people who are in stabbed ships. So the fact that there are so many kills means there are quite a few. But again we just need to look at the top vp gainers to see all the stabbed ships.
Here is a batch from yesterday top vp:
#1 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Commander+Ametal#kills
actually not a bad killboard but not a single kill or death yesterday when he earned the top vp spot! Winning the war with pure pve.
#2 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Takashi+Kuritatomo
#3 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=SobKilla+II
#4 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Will+Dye#losses
at least this guy had no stabbs - completely pve fit but at least no stabs.
#5 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=gus+jittsu
If all the plexers had killboards like the last one I wouldn't have much of an issue. Maybe he is not the greatest pvper, but I'm sure was no better than him when I was starting out either. But then again I didn't expect that I would be one of the most valuable people in the war effort the very first day I made any mark on the killboards. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
288
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:59:00 -
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That's not actually true, it is simple to kill stabbed or cloaky plex farmers. TBH it's actually easier to force them to fight then non stabbed, properly fit farmers. Through campaigning directly against them , not only do you get a metric shitload of kills, you can directly influence where they farm. There is a very good reason why farmers would rather defensive plex their own systems around Nisuwa then attempt to offensive plex Nisuwa or Notoras. DIAF 10 times a day doesn't pay the bills.
Cearain wrote:
You know its not that easy to kill people who are in stabbed ships. So the fact that there are so many kills means there are quite a few. But again we just need to look at the top vp gainers to see all the stabbed ships.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:14:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:That's not actually true, it is simple to kill stabbed or cloaky plex farmers. TBH it's actually easier to force them to fight then non stabbed, properly fit farmers. Through campaigning directly against them , not only do you get a metric shitload of kills, you can directly influence where they farm. There is a very good reason why farmers would rather defensive plex their own systems around Nisuwa then attempt to offensive plex Nisuwa or Notoras. DIAF 10 times a day doesn't pay the bills. Cearain wrote:
You know its not that easy to kill people who are in stabbed ships. So the fact that there are so many kills means there are quite a few. But again we just need to look at the top vp gainers to see all the stabbed ships.
I don't lose my stabbed alt farmers often at all, unless I am afk or get caught in a instalock gate/station camp. I pretty much only do offensive plexing so I fit them a bit better and don't usually go completely afk.
The alts were making very good isk for me if I run them all together. I don't do it much because i don't really need the isk and I hate the multiboxing. But they could definitely pay the bills. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
288
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:20:00 -
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That's exactly what I expected to hear, try offensive plexing in my system
Cearain wrote:
I don't lose my stabbed alt farmers often at all, unless I am afk or get caught in a instalock gate/station camp. I pretty much only do offensive plexing so I fit them a bit better and don't usually go completely afk.
The alts were making very good isk for me if I run them all together. I don't do it much because i don't really need the isk and I hate the multiboxing. But they could definitely pay the bills.
Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:43:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:That's exactly what I expected to hear, try offensive plexing in my system Cearain wrote:
I don't lose my stabbed alt farmers often at all, unless I am afk or get caught in a instalock gate/station camp. I pretty much only do offensive plexing so I fit them a bit better and don't usually go completely afk.
The alts were making very good isk for me if I run them all together. I don't do it much because i don't really need the isk and I hate the multiboxing. But they could definitely pay the bills.
Will do. Heydielles right?
You won't be able to blap my ship with your arty thrasher unless I am afk. Better get the smart bomb bs.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1071
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:46:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. We started out so strong... *sigh* but we're still on pace to break our corp record (last month) on the 20th. |
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
288
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:48:00 -
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arty thrasher, smart bombing BS, dual scram comet, scram/web stealth bomber
Whatever it takes, the farmers will be farmed.
Cearain wrote:
You won't be able to blap my ship with your arty thrasher unless I am afk. Better get the smart bomb bs.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:50:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. We started out so strong... *sigh* but we're still on pace to break our corp record (last month) on the 20th.
Drop from the militia and start blapping the gallente stabbed plexing alts too. Your kills will more than double. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 19:59:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:arty thrasher, smart bombing BS, dual scram comet, scram/web stealth bomber Whatever it takes, the farmers will be farmed. Cearain wrote:
You won't be able to blap my ship with your arty thrasher unless I am afk. Better get the smart bomb bs.
I might actually try to fight a stealth bomber hoping I could outlast his torps for the 12 seocnds or whatever it would take to lock him.
But then I would find out too late that it is rcoket fit and die losing MILLIONS of isk in the process. Well maybe not millions, but at least 500 thousand - before insurance. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:14:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:who cares? Quoting this because it's true. pew pew |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
381
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:43:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. We started out so strong... *sigh* but we're still on pace to break our corp record (last month) on the 20th. Drop from the militia and start blapping the gallente stabbed plexing alts too. Your kills will more than double.
Except we catch a large percentage (most?) of them on gates - and out of militia you take sentry guns, a serious issue for small ship pvp. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:46:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. We started out so strong... *sigh* but we're still on pace to break our corp record (last month) on the 20th. Drop from the militia and start blapping the gallente stabbed plexing alts too. Your kills will more than double. Except we catch a large percentage (most?) of them on gates - and out of militia you take sentry guns, a serious issue for small ship pvp. It's very nice to have the war dec.
EEEeeewww. GateCamping. Well I suppose you must do that if you want to dock. Non fw participants don't need to worry about docking so we can spend our time finding real pvp.
Keep in mind gate camping keeps out pvpers as well as farmers. Thats one reason I prefer minmatar amarr space - less gate camping especially now that we have a sis-eszur gate. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
382
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:56:00 -
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Cearain wrote:chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Princess Nexxala wrote:Oh and XG you guys are slipping! We are almost 350 kills ahead of you this month. We started out so strong... *sigh* but we're still on pace to break our corp record (last month) on the 20th. Drop from the militia and start blapping the gallente stabbed plexing alts too. Your kills will more than double. Except we catch a large percentage (most?) of them on gates - and out of militia you take sentry guns, a serious issue for small ship pvp. It's very nice to have the war dec. EEEeeewww. GateCamping. Well I suppose you must do that if you want to dock. Non fw participants don't need to worry about docking so we can spend our time finding real pvp. Keep in mind gate camping keeps out pvpers as well as farmers. Thats one reason I prefer minmatar amarr space - less gate camping especially now that we have a sis-eszur gate.
Even beyond gate camping - chasing out of plex and catching at a gate.
Caldari fleets that roll through often want us to jump into them on a gate, and we usually oblige.
I'd love NPC nullsec if it didn't have bubbles.
There's a lot of pvp opportunities that present themselves due to having a war dec on your opponent. Is it more or less than being able to shoot everyone? I don't know. But it's not insignificant. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
834
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Posted - 2013.02.21 11:49:00 -
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chatgris wrote: Even beyond gate camping - chasing out of plex and catching at a gate.
Caldari fleets that roll through often want us to jump into them on a gate, and we usually oblige.
I'd love NPC nullsec if it didn't have bubbles.
There's a lot of pvp opportunities that present themselves due to having a war dec on your opponent. Is it more or less than being able to shoot everyone? I don't know. But it's not insignificant.
I think the gate guns serve a purpose or else we would have sensor boosted thrashers at every gate. I like low sec mechanics now. But yes Bubbles are why I don't even bother with null sec.
As far as being in fw in low sec, I think it comes down to a comparison of fights at gates versus fights in plexes.
Yes there is high sec fighting too but that is specialized, I think I had about 3 or 4 high sec fights in my time in fw. Others like to camp the high sec trade hubs and definitely get tons of kills, but its pretty specialized.
You can fight at stations too but since we can't dock in the same stations that will be pretty rare other than high sec above.
So I am not sure what more there is than a comparision of gate fights to non-gate fights.
About 95% of my fights are at plexes. Plus I value those fights much more than the gate fights - because for me they are more fun. Since Plex fights are the overwhelming larger number of fights and the more fun fights it makes much more sense for me to be outside fw so I can almost double that number.
Gate fights will likely be more important for people who are in larger fleets. I don't do that allot but even there it used to be 90% were at gates. Now a much smaller percent are at gates and more frequently at other places without gate guns. It will vary from fc to fc too much to put a percentage on it.
For me the value and frequency of the plex versus station/gate fights made the decision easy. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 16:30:00 -
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#1 Karr Janner doesn't even show up on eve kill or battleclinic killboard
#2 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Gorakhal+the+Relentless
#3 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tristan+daCuhna Someone who actually pvps made it!
#4 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Gun+Oriki
#5 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Antoni+Cesaille#kills
Another pvper!
Again if you don't care about facts thats ok, you don't need to post about how facts are irrelevant. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1132
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:07:00 -
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+1 for proving farmers do, in fact, farm. |
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:34:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:+1 for proving farmers do, in fact, farm.
Again these are not top lp gainers. These are the top vp gainers for the day.
We do not know that they made very much lp. But we do know they made the greatest strides toward winning the occupancy war of any other pilots that day.
IMO the defensive plexers who go out, after the pvpers leave, in order to defensive plex the system back are just as much of a problem even though they may not make much lp.
But whatever, these are the people who had the biggest impact on occupancy for the days indicated. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1132
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:43:00 -
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So what type of ship should somebody be required to bring to a plex if nobody shows up to contest them?
And, once you answer that question, then you can tell us how to "enforce" that requirement?
KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex. Again: KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 17:53:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:So what type of ship should somebody be required to bring to a plex if nobody shows up to contest them?
I don't want to require any types of ships. Do you?
I am posting facts that the most effective occupancy plexers do not have to pvp. This may be good news for people who don't like pvp but for those few of us who wanted fw to be a pvp mechanic it may be disappointing.
X Gallentius wrote: And, once you answer that question, then you can tell us how to "enforce" that requirement?
What requirement?
X Gallentius wrote: KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex. Again: KEY POINT - Nobody shows up to contest the plex.
Right, if no one knows you are there, of course, they won't show up to contest the plex, will they? Did you know where these guys were plexing yesterday? What about all the other top vp gainers I posted? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
89
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:+1 for proving farmers do, in fact, farm. Again these are not top lp gainers. These are the top vp gainers for the day. We do not know that they made very much lp. But we do know they made the greatest strides toward winning the occupancy war of any other pilots that day. IMO the defensive plexers who go out, after the pvpers leave, in order to defensive plex the system back are just as much of a problem even though they may not make much lp. But whatever, these are the people who had the biggest impact on occupancy for the days indicated.
You can't go by Victory Points, as frankly you get basically non for defending. Heck you barely get the same standings now as you do for offensive.
Even still... people have become to get bored of it, especially with them having been like a swarm of locust that have effectively stripped away the market; destroyed Research Agents to the point where I honestly question why CCP still have them in the game, not to mention the ridiculous nature of making faction implants now as easily available as simple grinding.
Honestly the more time that goes on, sure EVE will get more popular; bringing more of the WoW crowd over; but if that is the direction the game is taking then might be time to gracefully bow out of it now so can still look at it in the eye without seeing just pure shame of whoring out to the masses and betraying what it was built upon.
CCP are slowly labotomising EVE ... sure initially the changes to FW were fun because we could overlook the cotton-candy instant gratification bullshit, as we were having alot of fun with the PvP. Still today, I don't know - the farmers are moving on, the warzone atleast on the Caldari-Gallente side is starting to look like a damn ghost town; we're back to square one with slightly different mechanics - which let's be honest, it's bloody hard to care about bonus' to LP gains for complexes or the most pathetic "industrial" bonus' to system that frankly are some inside joke at CCP that I just don't get. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
146
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:35:00 -
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so 2 weeks ago u was all for it when caldaris were making a push.... now gallentes are taking systems back its broke again am i right???????
GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1132
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:41:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Right, if no one knows you are there, of course, they won't show up to contest the plex, will they? Did you know where these guys were plexing yesterday? What about all the other top vp gainers I posted?
Well, ok thanks for saying that guys in lightly fit frigs (think technicals in machine gun-fit light pickup trucks) can terrorize (plex) unpopulated systems nobody cares to patrol (like the Sahara desert).
Later, man. Have fun. (We all know where these "auxiliary forces" are running plexes, even if you in particular don't) |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:45:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:+1 for proving farmers do, in fact, farm. Again these are not top lp gainers. These are the top vp gainers for the day. We do not know that they made very much lp. But we do know they made the greatest strides toward winning the occupancy war of any other pilots that day. IMO the defensive plexers who go out, after the pvpers leave, in order to defensive plex the system back are just as much of a problem even though they may not make much lp. But whatever, these are the people who had the biggest impact on occupancy for the days indicated. You can't go by Victory Points, as frankly you get basically non for defending. Heck you barely get the same standings now as you do for offensive..
I am pretty sure you do get vp for defensive plexing. Are the standings different for defensive plexing and offensive plexing? I believe the standings are different depending on the size of the plex, but not if it is defensive or offensive.
RavenTesio wrote: Even still... people have become to get bored of it, especially with them having been like a swarm of locust that have effectively stripped away the market; destroyed Research Agents to the point where I honestly question why CCP still have them in the game, not to mention the ridiculous nature of making faction implants now as easily available as simple grinding.
Honestly the more time that goes on, sure EVE will get more popular; bringing more of the WoW crowd over; but if that is the direction the game is taking then might be time to gracefully bow out of it now so can still look at it in the eye without seeing just pure shame of whoring out to the masses and betraying what it was built upon.
CCP are slowly labotomising EVE ... sure initially the changes to FW were fun because we could overlook the cotton-candy instant gratification bullshit, as we were having alot of fun with the PvP. Still today, I don't know - the farmers are moving on, the warzone atleast on the Caldari-Gallente side is starting to look like a damn ghost town; we're back to square one with slightly different mechanics - which let's be honest, it's bloody hard to care about bonus' to LP gains for complexes or the most pathetic "industrial" bonus' to system that frankly are some inside joke at CCP that I just don't get.
I do agree that people are moving back to square 1 pre inferno about caring about occupancy outside of their base systems. I think the changes that occured on october 22nd is what made it this way. When we had the cashout style system most people cared about occupancy beyond the one or 2 systems they base out of. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:48:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: Right, if no one knows you are there, of course, they won't show up to contest the plex, will they? Did you know where these guys were plexing yesterday? What about all the other top vp gainers I posted?
Well, ok thanks for saying that guys in lightly fit frigs (think technicals in machine gun-fit light pickup trucks) can terrorize (plex) unpopulated systems nobody cares to patrol (like the Sahara desert). Later, man. Have fun. (We all know where these "auxiliary forces" are running plexes, even if you in particular don't)
So you knew where these guys were running plexes yesterday? Then tell me what system(s) they were running plexes in. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
146
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:49:00 -
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Cearain wrote: When we had the cashout style system most people cared about occupancy beyond the one or 2 systems they base out of.
ur having a laugh right??????????? people didnt care bout occupancy they cared about isk and the farmers had a bigger bearing on the warzone back then to now
IDIOT OR TROLL? i just cant decide which you are GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:50:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:so 2 weeks ago u was all for it when caldaris were making a push.... now gallentes are taking systems back its broke again am i right???????
Wrong again. I, like 99.9% of eve players, really couldn't care less who is winning the carebear race.
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Cearain wrote: When we had the cashout style system most people cared about occupancy beyond the one or 2 systems they base out of. ur having a laugh right??????????? people didnt care bout occupancy they cared about isk and the farmers had a bigger bearing on the warzone back then to now IDIOT OR TROLL? i just cant decide which you are
You had to gain occupancy to make isk in the cash out system.
And we have already gone through all the reasons that farming was bigger then including no requirement that rats be killed, and the much higher pay, all of which had nothing to do with the actual cash out model. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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