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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2013.02.22 08:56:00 -
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Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
March rabbit
player corp n1
558
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:20:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:Not risk free. Players should have to escort freighters and orcas. The invading NPCs should not be easy. They should be out for blood. hell i would like to see them bring in their own miners and start clearing belts. Make miners have to fight to get to use their belts. Have there be the possibility that Dodixie fall under the control and ownership of Serpentis. Throw the market in disarray because highsec isnt so safe anymore. Anything involving NPCs is meticulously cataloged and put on various websites so that carebears can maximise their isk per hour. My way would involve players creating the content, which would mean it would be less predictable. As a group of people, Eve players do things that are stupid, brilliant, stupidly brilliant and brilliantly stupid. This keeps it fresh and exciting, kinda like all other emergent player-driven content in the game. should it be true there will be less whine about carebears.
Tho i guess "player provided' content is not so exciting in reality. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
435
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:39:00 -
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It sounds like you want Low PvP\Null PvP content but but without the other players.
I'd say join a corp and leave high sec or go play one of the x games |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
258
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:43:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:I want to see:
Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.
I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".
CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a
Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.
Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.
Have NPCs pod players too.
At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.
Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!
So, basically, you want lawlessness, chaos, and disorder.
Unfortunately for you, thanks to the efforts of many 0.0 dwellers, but also lowsec and highsec mission runners, such large quantities of Gurista, Angel, etc ships are destroyed, that they are currently not capable of amassing fleets large enough to take on Concord, or the much more threatening Empire faction navies at this point, like the (largely unsuccessful) Sansha are doing. |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
46
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:06:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:I want to see:
Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.
I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".
CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a
Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.
Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.
Have NPCs pod players too.
At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.
Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME !
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SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
46
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:18:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:Not if its random and/or spearheaded by the devs like live events. I heard the devs did a live event where the took a serpentis titan across a part of eve. Players were tasked with destroying the titan. Some players came out and took the side of the Serpentis and managed to escort the titan all the way. CCP has the tools and the ability to do those types of events. I want them to do that kind of stuff in highsec. Make carebears actually care about something more than the daily grind. Live events are great, but CCP don't have the time to run them often. Besides, players should be creating the content, not to mention there are no silly rules against us podding other players.
yes palyers should create content but ccp should also. |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
46
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:19:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault.
what an excitingly standard comment
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
494
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:32:00 -
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SoOza N'GasZ wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault. what an excitingly standard comment
Standard but true.
Sandbox remember, everyone says it. Can't complain about being bored and that the game is a sandbox. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Aiden Lynch
Brave Newbies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 10:43:00 -
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Isn't the point of high-sec to be boring? A place where you can idly mine or do easy missions to make relatively small amounts of ISK?
Regardless, I'm in a Corp that's in 10 wars right now, and High Sec is no longer boring. |
Solstice Project
Brave Newbies Inc.
2787
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:05:00 -
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I feel insulted... |
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
753
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Posted - 2013.02.22 11:07:00 -
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Aiden Lynch wrote: Regardless, I'm in a Corp that's in 10 wars right now, and High Sec is no longer boring.
Highsec is rarely boring, despite CCPs efforts. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4009
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:41:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I stay in the NPC corps and don't interact with anyone! CCP ADD CONTENT TO KEEP ME ENTERTAINED OR I'LL UNSUB." Sort of like how you cry about hi sec not being low or null sec. Funny, cause I don't do that at all. I dare you to link a single post where I've done this. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4009
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:51:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"I stay in the NPC corps and don't interact with anyone! CCP ADD CONTENT TO KEEP ME ENTERTAINED OR I'LL UNSUB." awe npc alt poster making goon pet mad. i dont understand why you are so mad. you live in null sec which has become the safest place in eve to rat. congrats on being a part of the problem and not the solution. I'm not mad. However I am continually amazed at the amount of people who think null is safer to rat in.
Nullsec doesn't have CONCORD. Highsec does. The vast majority of highsec PVE is done in mission areas, in deadspace, which requires that someone use combat scan probes to find you. The vast majority of nullsec PVE is done in anomalies - the entire list of anomalies in-system is scanned down in ten seconds using the system scanner and you can warp to them directly. There is less PVP in high than in null, both consensual and non-consensual. In null most people are there because they want to PVP, or because they at least want to contribute to it in some fashion. Having vast swathes of blue space, despite your preconceptions, actually encourages reds to roam in our space and kill ratters who have become complacent. And boy, do they get complacent - this has happened hundreds of times in the past few months alone. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Riato Hamill
The Old Republic Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:38:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault.
That is a pretty poor opinion, Player driven content is fueled by the tools provided to create it, If the tools suck the content sucks. What i love about half the community of Eve is " Go to a less safe area if you want fun and less boredom ", ~Of course so you can gank me with a ship 3 times as powerful and laugh at me in Local as you do it. I have had this happen.
Yes join a corp that takes part in Wars that you cant compete in or be any use in. Go to an area you are massively under skilled for and get ganked to high heaven over and over again.
Lets face facts, Established and well skilled players want any excuse to be able to kill easy targets as often as they like, "why" because that's fun, well only for 1 party in that scenario, Eve caters to that party in a big way as everything worth doing in Eve requires a High risk, or 9/10 times being ganked and killed by better players (Better meaning significantly higher skilled and equipped) who do it because they can and its FUN......for them.
Eve is a Fantastic PVP sandbox with a detailed and awesome crafting system, and will be for years to come, BUT, the PVE side of the game is way below par....
Il use SWTOR as a example, Fantastic story, Fantastic leveling system. God awful PVP and absolutely no sandbox what so ever with a rinse repeat token grind at end game.....It failed, by failure it has around 30k - 60k active players on a daily basis....That number is the same for EVE....So make your assumptions.
Fact is with a solid PVE environment this game will attract 3 times as many players. And that is only a good thing in the long run.
Die hard PVPers will do everything they can to drive PVEers out of a game like this. Only problem is when they are gone, what are you going to do then.....Fight among yourselves, with noone gathering your Ore and materials or providing easy kills.......Sounds like fun ????
Mine is every player in Eve should be campaigning for a better High Sec. Because without it 20k players leave this game overnight ?????
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SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
50
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:53:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:SoOza N'GasZ wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault. what an excitingly standard comment Standard but true.
Sandbox remember, everyone says it. Can't complain about being bored and that the game is a sandbox.
sandbox with not enough options to some people...
Legba |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4010
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:54:00 -
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Riato Hamill wrote:Lets face facts You first. You say "the tools suck" and then spout off a bunch of misconceptions about the game and you wonder why you're bored. The tools are there, they don't suck, and you don't have to leave highsec to have fun. A lot of us may have said to go to the more dangerous areas of space, but those are only fun if you like the added risk. Some people don't. There are plenty of other ways to have fun in this game. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1787
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:59:00 -
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Can't really undertand how I can sit in a .5 belt, alone, in a ship with no guns, and have 2 or 3 Hobgoblin 1's orbitting me to stay perfectly safe.
There's no reason for belt rats. I can sit there and let the damn things shoot me with no worry.
NPC's need a serious beefing up in high sec, they're ******* ******** as it stands. |
SoOza N'GasZ
Geese Jugglers
50
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:10:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Can't really undertand how I can sit in a .5 belt, alone, in a ship with no guns, and have 2 or 3 Hobgoblin 1's orbitting me to stay perfectly safe.
There's no reason for belt rats. I can sit there and let the damn things shoot me with no worry.
NPC's need a serious beefing up in high sec, they're ******* ******** as it stands.
i agree as being real beings they would at some stage start to understand that they are pussies and begin to stock up or gtfo and not come back. rats in high sec belts shouldnt even show up.
Legba |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
496
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:21:00 -
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SoOza N'GasZ wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:SoOza N'GasZ wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Eve is a player driven content game.
If you're bored, its your fault. what an excitingly standard comment Standard but true.
Sandbox remember, everyone says it. Can't complain about being bored and that the game is a sandbox. sandbox with not enough options to some people...
You lack imagination then, entertainment in eve can be easily found if you want it. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:21:00 -
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I am entertained by the posters who keep trying to divert the discussion to PvP in highsec. Im proposing more PvE content in highsec at such a scale that it makes Highsec dangerous for everyone. I can understand why people who want to PvP wouldnt want this. Same reason that one guy in another thread was bitching about the npc A.I. now switching targets and ruining his Pilgrim sneak attacks.
I love PvP as much as I like PvE. However, im not posting to ask for more PvP in highsec. Ill be happy for more. Id love for a day or two a month where concord takes a vacation and we can all go crazy in highsec without any rules. But CCP isnt going to do that.
Highsec is the land of PvE whether you, I or anyone likes it or not. I just want more widespread nonconsentual PvE in highsec because I know CCP isnt going to go for more nonconsentual PvP in highsec.
Id like to also see NPCs fight each other. Would add to the lore. Serpentis invades a system in Gallente space to establish a foothold to bring in more forces. Gallente Navy responds by sending in forces to drive Serpentis out and retake the system. Players participate by siding with Gallente or Serpentis in that system. Whether it is 0.5 or 0.7, that highsec system is a warzone.
Why cant I remote rep Serpentis ships if another player is attacking that serpentis ship? That would be fun. Players bringing in ships to assist the Serps or the Gallente Navy. Have an option presented when jumping into system or undocking in that system: (This system is at war between Gallente and Serpentis. Choose your alligiance. Gallente or Serpentis). Player chooses, and depending on who they choose, A.I. of the NPC determines if that player is friendly or hostile.
There could be systems in conflict spead around Empire. What I am thinking is along the lines of FW and DUST, except PvE oriented content for Highsec which any player in EVE can take part in, no matter who they are or what corp/alliance they are in. Incursions already provide similar content, but in a more scripted way. Pirate NPC incusions should be more random and more widespread to include gates, stations, etc. Not just sites and belts.
Id also like to see missions where I am fighting along side friendly NPCs. Every mission is setup to be run solo. There needs to be more encouragement, incentive, and reward for being in a fleet. More targets the more you have in fleet. Have missions scale with the size of the player fleet. |
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Riato Hamill
The Old Republic Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: You first. You say "the tools suck" and then spout off a bunch of misconceptions about the game and you wonder why you're bored. The tools are there, they don't suck, and you don't have to leave highsec to have fun. A lot of us may have said to go to the more dangerous areas of space, but those are only fun if you like the added risk. Some people don't. There are plenty of other ways to have fun in this game.
]Just to clarify, i have played MMOs for over 12 years, by comparison to many, Eves "Lower" level areas eg: Highsec suck and have limited tools to make it fun, Incursions are poor and ultimately a High skilled scenario and if anyone thinks running Security missions over and over or mining are deemed as fun, well they need to play a few other games like LOTRO, SWTOR, SWG, WOW to see how FUN doing the first few months of a game should be...???
James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, it isn't. If PVE is all you want this isn't your game. What we most definitely do not need is an influx of a hundred thousand players all coming for the PVE element, a large portion of whom will be crying that ganking in highsec should be against the rules, scamming should be against the rules, wardecs should be consensual, etc.
PVE is not all i want by any shot and i don't recall ever mentioning that PVE is all i want. So now we have clarified that. 1 simple fact among ALMOST every MMO out on the market today is
PVEers do not need PVPers..........PVPers in MMOs rely on PVEers.
Down play that and say it does not exist in Eve till the cows come home, fact is PVPers in Eve need PVEers to mine and make there resources. They are also a Fun side of the game for gankers and the like and without them Eve would not be the game it is........Am i wrong or not ???
I know im not :-)
I do not want Eve to ever be a fluffy bunny, no way at all, but making PVE a better place does not need to effect PVP in this game. And can only go to the game receiving more players which in turn means more money for development. I thouroghly agree with you on the 100k players coming in and complaining, but noone is asking CCP to make it hello kitty online. Just a bit more fun for the people trying to establish themselves in an MMO that caters to players with 5 year skill queues :-) |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1789
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:28:00 -
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SoOza N'GasZ wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Can't really undertand how I can sit in a .5 belt, alone, in a ship with no guns, and have 2 or 3 Hobgoblin 1's orbitting me to stay perfectly safe.
There's no reason for belt rats. I can sit there and let the damn things shoot me with no worry.
NPC's need a serious beefing up in high sec, they're ******* ******** as it stands. i agree as being real beings they would at some stage start to understand that they are pussies and begin to stock up or gtfo and not come back. rats in high sec belts shouldnt even show up. City of heroes, the day it released, had a nifty little feature that would spawn mobs in a zone, near you, based on your level.
Go into a zone that had level 10-15 mobs, kill a bunch of those lvl 10 mobs when you're level 15, and the new mobs will spawn at a higher level.
I really don't understand why CCP doesn't have rats spawning based on the people in a belt. 5 exhumers in a belt, and oh the horror, 3 NPC frigates that combined can't kill a mach that is fit properly show up.
They should spawn harder mobs if miners sit in a belt long enough. If other games could do this when they released, around the same time EVE released, there's no reason that CCP can't do it.
Where does CCP bill EVE as "cold and harsh", but only when another player actually wants to lose isk suicide ganking you in high sec.
And given some of the changes recently that have made suicide ganking far less desirable, and according them drastically increased the number of people mining in high sec, it would make a lot of sense for CCP to beef up the rats to be a viable threat to players. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7784
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:31:00 -
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Who do you think buys the minerals those miners mine? Who do you think buys all that faction ammo? Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
525
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:38:00 -
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Riato Hamill wrote: Just to clarify, i have played MMOs for over 12 years, by comparison to many, Eves "Lower" level areas eg: Highsec suck and have limited tools to make it fun, Incursions are poor and ultimately a High skilled scenario and if anyone thinks running Security missions over and over or mining are deemed as fun, well they need to play a few other games like LOTRO, SWTOR, SWG, WOW to see how FUN doing the first few months of a game should be...???
The first thing you should have done when you started to play this game was throw every idea you had about MMOs out the window, because it leads you to say ignorant things like this:
Riato Hamill wrote:PVEers do not need PVPers..........PVPers in MMOs rely on PVEers. |
Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:39:00 -
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The whole point of me making this topic is that the PvE content in this game is stale and needs to be revamped a lot. A.I. changes were a step in the right direction. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1789
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:40:00 -
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Rats are the reason miners never tank their ships. The odds of getting ganked are so incredibly low that it's a waste to tank your ship. You load it with MLU's, drop a couple of drones that you'll only ever lose when you forget to return them, and you're good.
This is why miners never gave a **** when people told them how to fit a hulk. This is why people who explained how to tank the hulk never understood why the miners wouldn't listen. People expected them to fit a ship for that .00001% chance someone might actually gank them; while that other 99.999% of the time they're making less isk because they're not mining as efficiently. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1076
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:49:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:CCP, please make Highsec less boring!
That is not CCP's job. It's yours. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Riato Hamill
The Old Republic Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:52:00 -
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EI Digin wrote: The first thing you should have done when you started to play this game was throw every idea you had about MMOs out the window, because it leads you to say ignorant things like this:
I really dont see how what i said was ignorant, personally to deny it is ignorance...
There are 101 scenarios I could list, ultimately it comes down to this, High end players do not want to do menial tasks, they rely on Miners and PVEers to do it for them to fund there campaigns. That is a fact of life not just this game....
So lets say all PVEers are cast from the game, the game is made unplayable for them, so they leave .Now noone is mining your ORE, noone is making your ammo.....What do you do, you start to Mine the Ore and make the ammo......You become a PVEer....
There is nothing ignorant about what i said at all....Bottom line is PVEers need PVPers and PVPers need PVEers, irrelevant of how ridiculous or ignorant PVPers think a comment like that is, or not.
Eve is not some major mystery that noone knows about or some Limited edition MMO that is unheard of like some think it is, Its 10 years old, and has been done before, Sandbox is nothing new at all. Weve seen it ,played it, watched it come and go in many forms.
1 fact is absolutely true, Every single player that starts this game EVER, was a PVEer for a period of time....!
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CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
13
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:06:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Step 1: Join a player corp.
Step 2: Participate in that corp.
Step 3: Be less bored.
This. Don't be a scrub. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
525
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:07:00 -
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Riato Hamill wrote:EI Digin wrote: The first thing you should have done when you started to play this game was throw every idea you had about MMOs out the window, because it leads you to say ignorant things like this:
I really dont see how what i said was ignorant, personally to deny it is ignorance... There are 101 scenarios I could list, ultimately it comes down to this, High end players do not want to do menial tasks, they rely on Miners and PVEers to do it for them to fund there campaigns. That is a fact of life not just this game.... So lets say all PVEers are cast from the game, the game is made unplayable for them, so they leave .Now noone is mining your ORE, noone is making your ammo.....What do you do, you start to Mine the Ore and make the ammo......You become a PVEer.... There is nothing ignorant about what i said at all....Bottom line is PVEers need PVPers and PVPers need PVEers, irrelevant of how ridiculous or ignorant PVPers think a comment like that is, or not. Eve is not some major mystery that noone knows about or some Limited edition MMO that is unheard of like some think it is, Its 10 years old, and has been done before, Sandbox is nothing new at all. Weve seen it ,played it, watched it come and go in many forms. One fact is absolutely true, Every single player that starts this game EVER, was a PVEer for a period of time. I odnt care if you joined the game and skipped all the tutorials went straight into a Corp in a war and died, at some point you mined an asteroid, at some point you killed rats in a belt and at some point you did a mission, Everyone here is a PVEer.....Like it or not :-) When you mine minerals you are competing in Market PVP. When you undock you make yourself a valid target for PVP. You don't live in a bubble when you "PVE", and your actions have consequences. Every single player in this game is a PVPer, whether they like it or not :-)
And those high end PVP players would purchase mining barges and start mining away and producing ammo if it become worthwhile to do so. Stating that no one would mine or produce goods if players like you don't do it is an opinion based in total ignorance of market forces. The free market is a wonderful thing. |
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