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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:21:00 -
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Back in the days of CA I wrote a kill system for the alliance (CMS), I see loads of other kill systems out there too.
If you die, it should become a matter of public record published by CONCORD.
I can't imagine being all that difficult to implement by CCP's professional DB and web designers.
Why doesn't CCP put up an official kill system, with ranking etc. which is powered directly from the game's servers ?
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TiconCEO
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:23:00 -
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Didn't this idea get murdered yesterday?
No.
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Amox
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:24:00 -
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Humm how bout not.
Their are plenty of sites doing this already.
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:26:00 -
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I can see a lot of people objecting to this idea - the type of person who only posts their kills and not losses for example...
But personally, I've thought about this myself before and think it would be a great idea! It would also make it a load more simple to post stats on a website as you could link to your own / Corp info directly.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:29:00 -
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NO... don't encourage more ganking, it is too much pure ganking in low sec and 0.0... .
There are gankers sitting at the gate just to make a kill for the existing killboards, they shoot shuttles and noobships for the easy kills.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:42:00 -
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I don't see why "there are other sites already doing this" should stop CCP from doing an official system ?
Ganking will not increase but at least you will see when a "ganker" gets taken out too. As said above, there are a lot of people that only post their kills and never their losses.
CCP has a unique system where all players are on one server, it's not like it would be trying to rank different characters on different servers (like other online games). -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:50:00 -
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I think you misunderstood, I am only against this idea because it promotes more ganking... we do not want this to become EVE CS...
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:58:00 -
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If we had an official kill system that DIDNT display rankings, just the last 20 kills, your kills, your corps kills, and your alliances kills, then that would be ok. But I must agree, that a ranking system would provoke more senseless killing to reach the top. -----------------------------------------------
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:59:00 -
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This is not a flame, but can someone actually point out the reason for having a killboard?
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Laendra
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:00:00 -
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I'd be for all for it, as it returns a level of accuracy back to the killmails. Something you don't have now, as anybody with a keyboard can fake a killmail to show anything they want. However, if you could look at the data directly from the EVE servers that the kills come from, then there is no possibility of cheating. Then, if you could look at an entity (pilot/corp/alliance) and see how many kills and losses they have, what they have lost and who killed them, then contract killings become a real possibility. Killmails could then be sent which include a link to the EVE killmail server, and those links could be given out to the respective parties to provide undeniable proof of the kill. (server could have a killmail XML text available for killmail system parsers that corps/alliances could then generate their own kills vs losses value reports and internal rankings, etc.
This won't encourage more ganking, as the ganking is already in place due to the existing public killboards. ------------------- |
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Laendra
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink This is not a flame, but can someone actually point out the reason for having a killboard?
-bragging rights -internal corp rankings -pay per kill systems -data mining -probably others. ------------------- |
TekRa
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: TiconCEO Didn't this idea get murdered yesterday?
No.
yesterday, last week, last month, a year ago... it's been "discussed" over and over.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:03:00 -
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No, hell no, never, etc,
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laendra -bragging rights -internal corp rankings -pay per kill systems -data mining -probably others.
Bragging rights; Do we need this? Really? Pay per kill; Would love to see this in the fabled Formal Contract System rather than a killboard. Data mining; For who? And why?
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 02/08/2005 18:12:52
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Laendra -bragging rights -internal corp rankings -pay per kill systems -data mining -probably others.
Bragging rights; Do we need this? Really? Pay per kill; Would love to see this in the fabled Formal Contract System rather than a killboard. Data mining; For who? And why?
For PvP individuals it's good to see how one stacks against the rest of Eve, if someone shoots hundreds of shuttles to get a high count well it's not much to brag about. I can imagine the merc corps would use such info as a demonstration of their prowess.
Recently in a war it was good to see who got killed on both sides, look at that data and see how the odds could be improved and what situations we were doing well at and same with other side. One can also guage how much damage one is inflicting on the enemy and vica versa and then base how long to continue etc.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh No, hell no, never, etc,
This is the kind of informative addition to a thread that I often see here.
How about explaining why you think that an official server powered kill system is such a bad idea ?
The only thing I would add to the above, things like PvE deaths where there is no player involvement shouldn't be added.
A ranking isn't always a BAD thing, and I can't imagine anyone getting "more" kills just because there is an official record of kills in EVE, it just won't happen, unless the IQ of EVE players were to suddenly drop just because such a system was implemented leading to an increase in stupid "let's fly to a gank zone today" actions. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:25:00 -
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It is my prediction that CCP would need an entire new Tb NAS server just to store this stuff.
Leave it in the hands of the community.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri It is my prediction that CCP would need an entire new Tb NAS server just to store this stuff.
Leave it in the hands of the community.
Or, they could just store kills in a single well-indexed table.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri It is my prediction that CCP would need an entire new Tb NAS server just to store this stuff.
Leave it in the hands of the community.
Then one would hope that they (CCP) would give us a method to ensure that killmails aren't forged or conveniently misplaced. That is the bigger issue of why one (CCP sponsored) is needed. ------------------- |
ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:32:00 -
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"quick! its a frig"
"hmm ransom for a bit of profit or blow it up for a kill"
"kill kill kill!"
No thanks ------------------
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Quanteeri It is my prediction that CCP would need an entire new Tb NAS server just to store this stuff.
The records of items created and destroyed are AFAIK already protocolled on the server for analysis and responding to petitions etc.. I can't really "imagine" there being a significant load increase either.
The above "XML report" idea sounds cool too, it would indeed allow players to just report the kill URI to their own kill system which would probably have alternate representations of the data, scoring based on kill/death ratio, etc.. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
mavskji
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:36:00 -
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Some of us like to keep as much info from our enemies as possible. Forcing us to divulge information thro an official kill board would suck.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Bragging rights; Do we need this? Really?
Why not? Why not show off what you have accomplished? I love looking at our killboard and seeing the number of solo kills our pilots have, where our pilots are in ships of equal size or smaller. Those pilots gain higher levels of respect than the ones that kill smaller ships with bigger ships.
Originally by: Winterblink Pay per kill; Would love to see this in the fabled Formal Contract System rather than a killboard.
Um, sure, that's great when you have a specific individual or short list of individuals. But I am talking when your corp pays you for the number of enemy kills you get overall. Any "Formal Contract System" would probably be just as fubar and a pain in the arse to use as Escrow/Player Missions.
Originally by: Winterblink Data mining; For who? And why?
That's already been answered by other responses. Needless to say, there is much valuable information to be gained by killmail data mining. ------------------- |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: mavskji Some of us like to keep as much info from our enemies as possible. Forcing us to divulge information thro an official kill board would suck.
Your enemies already get a kill/death mail and are already privy to the information. -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Dreamdancer
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:42:00 -
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Personally say no. The gate ganking 13 year olds who shoot shuttles and noob frigs just to get their kill ratios up on the various kill boards that already exist are hurting the game enough as is. We don't need to encourage more of them to do it.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:50:00 -
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I would love to see a CCP run killboard. I am tired of having to copy emails to other locations. Perhaps keeping a record of all characters, but only publicly stats on chars/corps that have set some option in game to do this.
Then my eve-mail wouldn't get clogged with killmails at all, there would be no point in even sending killmails, because you could just grab the data off of the ccp killboard if you wanted it.
A proper weighting for kills depending on the ship killed and the number of participants in the kill wouldn't promote ganking in my opinion.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:52:00 -
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I can't see anyone really posting "Look at how many shuttles and n00b frigates I can destroy, I am SOOO UBER". Apart from that, those doing it now are doing it already as others and myself have already stated before.
At least you as a victim could always check up on that player's losses from time to time, and have a laugh when he does get wasted, you could even send him a nice EVE mail
Everyone says that EVE is a PvP driven game, why shouldn't the driving force behind EVE be a part of the game's public service ? -- Intergalactic Teeth Pullers "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein |
Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.02 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz A proper weighting for kills depending on the ship killed and the number of participants in the kill wouldn't promote ganking in my opinion.
Possibly the most impressive statement made so far in any killboard thread I've read to date.
I hate to draw the comparison, but it's like the honor system in World of Borecraft, where you gain honor/dishonor depending on the level discrepancy between killer and killed. That alone would turn the killboard into something useful.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:04:00 -
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I think it's a good idea. Posting to multiple kill boards is a PITA, and sometimes the guy who got the final blow forgets to post it anywhere and one doesn't even get the satisfaction.
For those who fear gate ****ers shooting all the shuttles and noobships they can, here is a newsflash: THEY ALREADY DO!
re. this: Quote: Data mining; For who? And why?
PvP purposes I assume. Kill mails tell you a lot about the pilots. Not only the loadout of the killed ship, but also the ships most frequently flown, and the main weapons fittings of the killing ship(s) (most useful if someone uses mostly close or long range). In selecting racial ECM or damage types alone, this is invaluable, not to mention if you see a few kill mails that let you know the pilot is a massive warpcore baby and you'll need to fit a bunch of disruptors in order just to warp scramble them...
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.08.02 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 02/08/2005 19:09:39
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz A proper weighting for kills depending on the ship killed and the number of participants in the kill wouldn't promote ganking in my opinion.
Possibly the most impressive statement made so far in any killboard thread I've read to date.
I hate to draw the comparison, but it's like the honor system in World of Borecraft, where you gain honor/dishonor depending on the level discrepancy between killer and killed. That alone would turn the killboard into something useful.
This is true. the public scorn is hilarious when someone posts an "I'm so cool" killmail thread, just to have everyone respond "You tard, it took like 50 of you to kill this guy in a bantam!"
But I also agree with the no forced public divulgance issue too. Any simple data miner could use this to help determine who and where to hit next, which could easily be exploited to the detriment of the security of many.
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