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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2013.02.24 20:55:00 -
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Some time ago I wrote a guide on getting into people's corps and killing them. I'm told that it's proven to be extremely helpful to a bunch of people, so I thought I'd write more on some other things I know how to do.
Today I'd like to talk about target selection and intel in the context of wardecs. This is meant to help people get into the business, so if you're already knee deep in it you probably won't find much new information, if any.
I should also mention that in this case I'm talking primarily about wardecs where you intend to hunt targets and kill them with their pants down, although I suppose it's also quite applicable to wardecs where you're looking for a brawl or looking to camp and take pot shots.
The first thing you need when deccing someone is someone to dec. If you're going merc or have a personal vendetta, this can be pretty clear cut, but if you you're just looking for something to hunt for fun and profit it can be somewhat less so.
The typical way to find targets is to watch the recruitment channel for likely candidates that fill your criteria for preferred targets. While this is something that can be done with minimal effort, those corps tend to be quite small and even more prone to early disbanding than most, and other organization will undoubtedly also be deccing them, making them slim pickings split among several corps.
Another way to find possible targets is to hang out in hubs, along major pipes or in mission systems and look up anyone who flies by in a ship that you would enjoy killing. Be sure to bring a ship scanner.
Third, if you're a multidisciplinary bastard, you can use wardecs as a way to follow up on people who were fun to interact with in other contexts. If you got good tears or good loot from a suicide gank, safari or mission invasion, it's entirely possible that player's corp will also be fun to interact with, assuming it fulfills your other requirements.
Speaking of other requirements, there are a couple of criteria you should be mindful of when searching for opponents. They should be in the correct time zone for you, for instance. They may say what TZ they're in in the corp description, but if they don't you can take a look at the times of their typical kills and losses on any major public killboard. Keep in mind that there may be a fairly wide spread, especially if they're a corp that doesn't typically pvp. Their losses are also more likely to be spread out than their kills, as people can get killed while do some quick space-chores before work in the morning or late at night.
As for size, you'll want something with a healthy number of targets. Unless you have better information, assume an activity level of about ten percent. That is to say that on any given evening, about one in ten of their members is likely to be on. They'll also typically be several of the same faces every night with a larger number of occasional players appearing every once in a while. If your target is an alliance, you'll notice that the alliance information does not give out a total size. For that, you'll want to consult Dotlan or Evewho.com.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2013.02.24 20:55:00 -
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Evewho is also going to be your friend when it comes time to make your lists. And yes, you will have to make lists. There are some third-party tools to help your list making easier. Some of them I've heard rumbings about them not being completely kosher. I've also been told by developers of same that they are. I prefer to err on the side of caution and the only one I trust at the moment is over at eve-tools.com, which you'll need to open with your in-game browser. There's also several other useful tools on there.
Now, in the old days you had to comb killboards and corp descriptions looking for the names of member characters, but since evewho came along, all you have to do is type the entity you're deccing into evewho in the in-game browser and it will spit out a list that usually has about 95% of the members of that corp. You're going to add them all to your watchlist as contacts. Luckily, there's a small asterisk beside the name when viewed in the in-game browser. This opens a contact window. Add all of these people, give them all a label, preferably according to what entity they belong to, and then click the 'show only online' checkbox. This is the best way to keep track of who you should be hunting at any given time.
Now, the next question is how to find them. Thankfully, the answer is simple: locator agents!
As a ten second guide to locator agents, know that many mission agents are also locator agents and can find anyone in known space. Level 1 and 2 agents are of limited range. Level 3 and 4 agents can find people anywhere but take varying amounts of time. As a rule of thumb, level 3s will take about eight minutes to find someone and level 4s will take about four minutes. They're cheap as dirt, but you need the standings. If you have a shameful carebear past or an alt with the same, make sure to know where your locator alts are. You can use eve-agents.com in order to determine where your locator agents are. If you have none, you can go to the in game channel 'Locates Are Us' and pay 5m per locate. If you're hunting many targets that will add up quickly though, and you're probably better off in the long run getting your own or developing some kind of understanding with someone about it.
Once located, make sure to note down somewhere the time/date and location the target was found at and, if known, what ship they were in. This will allow you to determine any patterns for them and give you a good idea where they might be even if no locates are avalible. The character info panel has a tab for notes that works well for this, but isn't really convenient for sharing with your corpmates.
And then finally, you're going to need some idea of what your contacts will be flying. For this, you can check them out on any killboard site which, if they've lost boats to other players before, should at least tell you what race of boat you're looking for, if not class. It will also tell you what level Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2013.02.24 20:55:00 -
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Have a quick summery of useful tools and websites mentioned in this guide:
evewho Dotlan eve-agents eve-tools.com <-- In game browser only Locates Are Us <-- In game chat channel http://eve-locator.justaddhippopotamus.com/ Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2013.02.24 20:56:00 -
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I LIEK BAANNAS |
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.26 08:36:00 -
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Killboards are essential as well. Knowing what your opponents are flying can be the difference that turns a huge loss into a sudden victory. In general while you may think the lossmails are most important, I have found that killmails are even more-so. Seeing your opponents lost T1 frigates and cruisers for one or two races will lull you into a false sense of security. People won't fly expensive ships if they believe there is a good chance they will be lost. Plus they may have started flying a third race (I've seen it happen).
Intelligence is all about outmaneuvering and out-thinking your opponents. The more gathering you do, the more likely you are to succeed. I've been in corporations who rely on brute force rather than tactics in order to get kills, and I've watched them be outsmarted and massive amounts of tears happen on comms because of it. Put in a little effort and you can come out on top against even superior guns. |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
366
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Posted - 2013.02.27 16:16:00 -
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To the top ! |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:46:00 -
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Bump for the Monk I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:42:00 -
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At the same time Monk has been working on this, I'm working on a guide to actually hunting your wartargets that I really need to finish. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:17:00 -
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Floppie is better at that than I am, so he's probably a better source of that guide. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:51:00 -
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A shout out to my Alliance mate Jake who coded the excellent Locator Finder on EVE-tools. Trust the site and enter your API and you can find your locators without the fuss and muss of EVE agents. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
Nice bit of work here Monk. Quality Assurance
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2567
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Posted - 2013.03.01 10:07:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:Floppie is better at that than I am, so he's probably a better source of that guide.
Confirming these guys are good at writing stuff & generating pubbie tears. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
31961
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Posted - 2013.03.01 10:31:00 -
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+1 I don't have Patience for Highsec Mechanics, But these guys do it right Thanks Zimmy <3 |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2013.03.01 11:04:00 -
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The recruitment chat is essentially a good place to "go shopping". 9/10 of them are sensitive, PVP-Avoiding carebears.
Also eve-uni claims to execute all unsolicited wars with "full force", whatever that means. But in reality they deal with non-consensual pvp like this:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wartime_Standard_Operating_Procedures
(It's their carefully crafted war doctrine based on years of experience.) The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
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