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Ryonin Shonin
Aurora Collective Shadow Theory.
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Posted - 2013.02.24 23:38:00 -
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When I'm mining I find it time consuming when switching between my Warrior II's and my Mining drone II's. It would be awesome to see a mine repeatedly Hotkey. Does anyone else feel this way? |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.02.25 20:14:00 -
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Nope
If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining.
Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work |
Hae Sung
Da Learnin Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.25 20:50:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work
I never got this mentality. If there is a command in the game available through clicking I see no reason that there couldn't be a bindable hotkey to execute the same command.
I ran into this frequently with the "launch drones" command. There are commands to recall drones and to send them to attack, but not to send them to mine or to launch a set flight from your bay.
Yes its quite easy to execute mouse clicks - I'm just curious as to why CCP chose some command and not others to be bindable. A move to include more key binds is definitely one of the things that I would like to see as they revamp the UI going forward. |
Vixen Verdi
Dead Cow Theory
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:25:00 -
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Hae Sung wrote:Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work I never got this mentality. If there is a command in the game available through clicking I see no reason that there couldn't be a bindable hotkey to execute the same command. I ran into this frequently with the "launch drones" command. There are commands to recall drones and to send them to attack, but not to send them to mine or to launch a set flight from your bay. Yes its quite easy to execute mouse clicks - I'm just curious as to why CCP chose some command and not others to be bindable. A move to include more key binds is definitely one of the things that I would like to see as they revamp the UI going forward.
+1 |
Eblis O'Shaughnesy
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:00:00 -
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I just googled "eve online mine repeatedly hotkey" after not being able to find any in-game. It's disheartening that this was the first link. =( |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:18:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work
right click your drones in local space bar, 1 click mine repeatedly, 2. two clicks.
also, combat drones have a shortcut so why is it such a terrible thing if mining drones have them? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:27:00 -
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OK, a 'Launch Drones" button.
You're doing what you do and want to launch drones so you hit the "L" button which you've cunningly assigned L for Launch Drones.
All is well and groovy when you've got 5 drones in your drone bay which get spat into space and then you've got to press the "S" button for 'Do Something' (I think D is already taken)
So yes you've now got 5 drones out in space doing something with 2 keyboard presses.
However in your hulk you've also got 5 Warrior II's as well as your 5 Mining Drone II's so you will now get a combination of 3 mining drone II's and 2 Warrior II's attacking the rat that's bugging you.
Seriously if mining is that hard work then it's time to look for another eve career, I hear freighter flying is quite easy on the clicks needed to do it.
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Dave Stark
1922
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:48:00 -
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again, it's not about making mining easier, it's about a missing functionality that is already there for other drones. you're tired, stop posting. |
Zeiss Prime
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:44:00 -
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I agree with you. The game would be much better with more keyboard utilization in general, mouse clicking gets aggravating fast and really slows you down.
On another note, when doing mining, I find placing the drones into groups works the best to control them one right click on each group and you have full control over every drone that is in it.
Cheers, Prime
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Steve WingYip
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.04.02 06:33:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work
That's an arrogant response. There should be a hotkey, purely because there is one for every other type. That's like saying there should be no hotkey to any drone because that would make them lazy. |
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Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:17:00 -
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Steve WingYip wrote:Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work That's an arrogant response. There should be a hotkey, purely because there is one for every other type. That's like saying there should be no hotkey to any drone because that would make them lazy.
Not to be a **** but is there one for salvaging drones? |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:36:00 -
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After you launch salvage dones to space you can just hit the generic droneattack button and they start working. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1668
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Posted - 2013.04.03 00:07:00 -
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Killing rats is what an Orca's drones are for
[Rorqual can easily handle triple-battleship nulsec spawns, and rep mining ships, but a Rorqual in a belt is a killmail waiting to happen. Hot-drop o'clock!] |
IronLemur
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.12 04:04:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:Nope If you've got drones out it's what? a 1 right click or something to set them mining. Don't be so lazy, mining is easy enough without making it easier, what next, autocycling lasers, target a few roids and when 1 pops your laser starts on the next one cos pressing f1 or whatever is too hard work
You're an idiot. Pressing a button to attack a rat or a player is more work? This is a video game none of us are working hard get off your pedestal.
I agree there should be a hotkey it is dumb there isn't the 'attack' shortcut I believe used to work with mining drones as well. I know it still works with salvage drones I'm not sure why CCP changed it. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
125
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:47:00 -
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Over thinking it.
You have to launch the drone group you want. Eve is not made to actually read your mind. No launch drone hot key should ever exist.
The current engage target command needs to be broadened. It should make any drone engage in what they would normally do if able. DPS, Repair, salvage, mine, EW shouldn't matter. If it can't do the task the drone just keeps floating.
On a side note: Good chance it's easier for ccp programmers to fix by updating to achieve this function. Meaning it's far more likely that they will fix it if we push for it. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.05.12 17:17:00 -
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Until CCP develop a neural interface so you can jack in (not off) to eve, then there will be work involved.
Target Asteroid Right Click Drone Group Select Launch Drones Right Click Drone Group in Local Space Select Mine Repeatedly
Once the drones are out, then all you need to do is select the asteroid and then right click the drone group and select Mine Repeatedly.
Is this simple process really that hard work? or am I missing something.
Yes there could be a shortcut for Mine Repeatedly, much as there could be shortcuts for a whole host of industry functions, installing multiple jobs at one time for example.
There are so many thing that need attention from the devs/coders, saving a couple of right mouse clicks every so often in my eyes isn't one of them.
It's beyond me how lazy people are, you want the extra ore that mining drones provide but don't seem to want to do anything for it, or are you that anal that you want to squeeze every last potential bit of yield you can out of your mining time, (I take it you park as close as possible to the roid you want your drones to mine to cut down traveling time, fit no tank to your mining ship for maximum yield, and keep hitting the survey scanner button to work out when to switch off your mining laser to switch to another roid.) And yet you complain about a couple of right clicks for your drones being hard work
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Mari Hata
Main Street Crafts and Goods
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Posted - 2013.05.12 19:52:00 -
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Lazyness has always been the driving force behind human progress. If it wasn't for it, the wheel would never have been invented in the first place.
EDIT : yes , I do time my cycles. |
Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2013.05.13 00:43:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:I'm just curious as to why CCP chose some command and not others to be bindable. The simple answer is that no CCP employee mines. As long as there are enough people who still drudge through the terrible mining experience, there is nothing 'broken' in it to them.
NOTE: I am one of those people who continue to mine - does that mean the bad interface is my fault? |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.05.13 04:50:00 -
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Clansworth wrote:Emma Royd wrote:I'm just curious as to why CCP chose some command and not others to be bindable. The simple answer is that no CCP employee mines. As long as there are enough people who still drudge through the terrible mining experience, there is nothing 'broken' in it to them. NOTE: I am one of those people who continue to mine - does that mean the bad interface is my fault?
That wasn't me who said that, but hey :)
Industry has taken a poor 2nd place in the game for a long time, as industry players are a minority. I can understand CCP looking after the majority more, but it would be nice to have someone on the dev-team who is industry focused and starts interacting with the playerbase by posting more in the S&I forum with plans, comments etc. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:28:00 -
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Clansworth wrote:Emma Royd wrote:I'm just curious as to why CCP chose some command and not others to be bindable. The simple answer is that no CCP employee mines. As long as there are enough people who still drudge through the terrible mining experience, there is nothing 'broken' in it to them. NOTE: I am one of those people who continue to mine - does that mean the bad interface is my fault?
CCP CEO is a famous miner. |
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:46:00 -
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This is amusing: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151575021104394&set=a.77243934393.72638.17614129393&type=1&theater
And actually quite depressing at the same time. |
Untanas Volmyr
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
10
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:57:00 -
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More hotkeys! Less mouse clickelings! If it buys me half a second every time its well worth it. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.05.15 07:41:00 -
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If CCP want to save the poor mice, then sure put a hot key assignable for mine repeatedly.
AFTER
They sort out the click-fest that is INVENTION , you know, the process that created the bpc which almost certainly created your Mining Drone II (some will be built off BPO's but most will probably be off Invented BPC's)
If you haven't tried invention then you don't know what clicking is all about.
Right Click Blueprint - Choose 'Invention' Left Click 'Pick Installation' Button Left Click Installation you want to use Double Left Click on the Assembly Line Left Click the 'OK' button Left Click the 'Accept Quote' button
And that is as simple as invention gets, a total of 7 clicks for every invention run. Not taking into account if you're using Base Items, Decryptors, or need to select the Output Type.
So it could be 10 clicks for every invention run, multiply that by the number of runs you're doing per character (normally 10) and you've got a minimum of 70 clicks, upto 100 clicks, now multiply that by a few chars everytime I feel like doing some invention I'm talking about 350 - 400 clicks, all in a fairly rapid succession not every so often like you may need to prod a button for Mine Repeatedly.
That isn't taking into account copying the BPO's, which isn't as bad, but still clicking.
Just thought I'd put things into a little perspective |
Stas Okano
Mainzer's Cult of the Nephropidae
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:08:00 -
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I FOund Shift+R - return drones to bay |
Tisiphone
Interstellar Armaments and Ammunition Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:12:00 -
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Not mentioned yet, but something CCP have to think about: Bots
Keybinds for "tricky" operations are the botter's friend. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
318
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:32:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:If CCP want to save the poor mice, then sure put a hot key assignable for mine repeatedly. AFTER They sort out the click-fest that is INVENTION , you know, the process that created the bpc which almost certainly created your Mining Drone II (some will be built off BPO's but most will probably be off Invented BPC's) If you haven't tried invention then you don't know what clicking is all about. Right Click Blueprint - Choose 'Invention' Left Click 'Pick Installation' Button Left Click Installation you want to use Double Left Click on the Assembly Line Left Click the 'OK' button Left Click the 'Accept Quote' button And that is as simple as invention gets, a total of 7 clicks for every invention run. Not taking into account if you're using Base Items, Decryptors, or need to select the Output Type. So it could be 10 clicks for every invention run, multiply that by the number of runs you're doing per character (normally 10) and you've got a minimum of 70 clicks, upto 100 clicks, now multiply that by a few chars everytime I feel like doing some invention I'm talking about 350 - 400 clicks, all in a fairly rapid succession not every so often like you may need to prod a button for Mine Repeatedly. That isn't taking into account copying the BPO's, which isn't as bad, but still clicking. Just thought I'd put things into a little perspective Sneaky Edit for a PS PS - then you need to deliver the items, and every run requires an input, either a click of an OK box, or a hit the enter which does the same thing. And then you get roughly 50% success rate so half that effort is for nothing
Don't mean to derail the mining drones hot key discussion, but there are a ton of quick key (not hot keys) options with invention.
For example you can do the following:
1) right click BPC, click invention. 2) click TAB then enter. 3) click lab, double click open slot 4) Hit Tab, Enter Enter. And the job is now installed.
So with most invention jobs you can get it down to 4 clicks. You can get it down to just the first 2 clicks if with number 3) you instead do tab tab tab tab down key and then tab down key to select the slot. Or 3 clicks if you choose the lab and then hit tab down key.
Oh, and finally you can select all items and hit deliver, which will deliver all finished jobs, you just need to mash the enter key for each of the windows. |
Dave Stark
3085
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Posted - 2013.06.06 07:40:00 -
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Tisiphone wrote:Not mentioned yet, but something CCP have to think about: Bots
Keybinds for "tricky" operations are the botter's friend.
yes let's not make any one's life easier, just because it helps a small subset of players who can be removed from the game via bans.
yeah makes sense to keep your game tedious and clunky just because a few players have bots. |
Demyen
Lonetrek Logistics Corp.
13
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Posted - 2013.06.12 17:49:00 -
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MY KINGDOM FOR A "MINE REPEATEDLY" HOTKEY.
Also: I agree, ALL of industry is tediously clicky. Perhaps dangerously so. When we're finished with the War on Loading Bars, can we have a War on Carpal Tunnel? |
Kitten Whiskerz
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:14:00 -
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Eblis O'Shaughnesy wrote:I just googled "eve online mine repeatedly hotkey" after not being able to find any in-game. It's disheartening that this was the first link. =( I find it hilarious. Never had this happen before. I googled "eve mine repeatedly hotkey" and the first result was "I just googled 'eve online mine repeatedly hotkey'" rofl.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh63/Phenoca/FUNNY-IGoogledhotkeys_zps9cbf68bc.png
But srsly - where is the hotkey? |
Jonny Monroe
Monroe enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.03 14:52:00 -
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Salvage drones respond to the 'all drones - attack' hotkey (f by default), they simply interpret the same command as Salvage repeatedly. Why can't mining drones just have this same functionality? Just change the hotkey description to something like 'drones engage' or 'drones go play' or some jank. |
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:53:00 -
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Jonny Monroe wrote:Salvage drones respond to the 'all drones - attack' hotkey (f by default), they simply interpret the same command as Salvage repeatedly. Why can't mining drones just have this same functionality? Just change the hotkey description to something like 'drones engage' or 'drones go play' or some jank.
ccp devs being lazy. this hot key topic has been posted many many many times over the years, ccp just doesnt want to get off the lazy asses and spend a half hour coding it in. |
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