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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
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Posted - 2013.02.25 16:11:00 -
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I've trained an alt with perfect Leadership skills and am using a fit which allows 5 links to be used at the same time to support my main in PVE. I've got the 3 Shield links fitted and can see in Fleet that the booster is allocated correctly and is active, but when checking my BS stats in the game fit screen, the Shield HP don't display as being increased as expected. Why is this?
The booster is in the same system. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.25 17:21:00 -
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Not sure it happens while you are docked...
Try it in space, hover your mouse over the shield bar with an without the links active do the number of hitpoints change? |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1180
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Posted - 2013.02.25 19:14:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Not sure it happens while you are docked...
Try it in space, hover your mouse over the shield bar with an without the links active do the number of hitpoints change?
The booster must be in space. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
culo duro
Federal Enslavement
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Posted - 2013.02.26 07:42:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:to support my main in PVE..
I died abit inside. |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
125
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Posted - 2013.02.26 07:51:00 -
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culo duro wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:to support my main in PVE.. I died abit inside.
Better than spending billions on an officer fit though
OP I believe you need 2 people + the booster in space to get the boosts though I may be wrong about this Starships were meant to fly~ |
Camper101
eHarmony Inc. Brushie Brushie Brushie
27
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Posted - 2013.02.26 07:59:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:culo duro wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:to support my main in PVE.. I died abit inside. Better than spending billions on an officer fit though OP I believe you need 2 people + the booster in space to get the boosts though I may be wrong about this
No, Booster just has to be in Squad/Wing/Fleet Commander Position and in space. And the Links have to be active, ofc. Else all the solo 2012/13 style PvPers would have had to create another char to put in fleet :P "For your termination of ***** *** we have paid you 0,39 ISK from their bounty pool." - uhm... Thanks CONCORD... |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
667
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Posted - 2013.02.26 08:21:00 -
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Booster in squad command position. Mission runner in squad. Both in space, both in the same system.
Putting the booster in wing command with only one other guy in fleet wont work. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
589
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Posted - 2013.02.26 08:46:00 -
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I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Kasutra
Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel
152
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:02:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3189
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:06:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message.
Back when I was running L4s, I'd have expected a 2-3 billion ISK fit to net me 80-100M ISK/hr (in high sec). A regular T2 fit on a T1 BS wasn't getting anywhere near that, topping out at maybe 40M ISK/hr. So is dropping 2 billion ISK now and doubling my income a good choice? Yeah, probably.
But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:48:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Kasutra wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. Back when I was running L4s, I'd have expected a 2-3 billion ISK fit to net me 80-100M ISK/hr (in high sec). A regular T2 fit on a T1 BS wasn't getting anywhere near that, topping out at maybe 40M ISK/hr. So is dropping 2 billion ISK now and doubling my income a good choice? Yeah, probably. But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices. -Liang A 50 million ISK fit runs level 4s in FW for 200 mil an hour without even trying, and has done so for the last 4 years. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3190
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:55:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Kasutra wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. Back when I was running L4s, I'd have expected a 2-3 billion ISK fit to net me 80-100M ISK/hr (in high sec). A regular T2 fit on a T1 BS wasn't getting anywhere near that, topping out at maybe 40M ISK/hr. So is dropping 2 billion ISK now and doubling my income a good choice? Yeah, probably. But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices. -Liang A 50 million ISK fit runs level 4s in FW for 200 mil an hour without even trying, and has done so for the last 4 years.
It's almost like I don't run L4s anymore... /gasp. Also, get with the program, FW L4s are way too much effort for the paltry return.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
85
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:03:00 -
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You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
32
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:04:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Ohishi wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Kasutra wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. Back when I was running L4s, I'd have expected a 2-3 billion ISK fit to net me 80-100M ISK/hr (in high sec). A regular T2 fit on a T1 BS wasn't getting anywhere near that, topping out at maybe 40M ISK/hr. So is dropping 2 billion ISK now and doubling my income a good choice? Yeah, probably. But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices. -Liang A 50 million ISK fit runs level 4s in FW for 200 mil an hour without even trying, and has done so for the last 4 years. It's almost like I don't run L4s anymore... /gasp. Also, get with the program, FW L4s are way too much effort for the paltry return. -Liang It is easier to orbit a button now. And that can be done in a 1 million ISK frig. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:14:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:OP I believe you need 2 people + the booster in space to get the boosts though I may be wrong about this
No, just 2 people.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3190
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:15:00 -
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Man, you spend a million on your frigs? You're such a rich pimp baller dude.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:16:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Booster in squad command position. Mission runner in squad. Both in space, both in the same system.
Putting the booster in wing command with only one other guy in fleet wont work.
This was my mistake. I didn't realise (through inexperience) that the Squad Leader automatically is assigned as the booster and he must relinquish before boosting alt can be so assigned.
All is now good.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:18:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS...
When you have perfect support, space command and weapon skills then yes. Until then, faction offers a similar level of performance while skills train. Now my support skills are almost maxed, I've no need for the 17 CN CM Launchers across my BSs, so I've sold them all and replaced with T2. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:20:00 -
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Akturous wrote:You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked.
My understanding is that the Seige Warfare skill offers 10% bonus, the Seige Mindlink replaces it with a 15% bonus. Correct? Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Kasutra
Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel
152
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:28:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices.
-Liang I assume it's for fun or because they can.
*shrug* |
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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 10:30:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices.
-Liang I assume it's for fun or because they can. *shrug*
I enjoy running Lvl 4s. So do the other guys in my Corp. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
32
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Posted - 2013.02.26 11:31:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Man, you spend a million on your frigs? You're such a rich pimp baller dude.
-Liang Warp stabs aren't cheap. |
Lynkon Lawg
Second Six Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:06:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Akturous wrote:You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked. My understanding is that the Seige Warfare skill offers 10% bonus, the Seige Mindlink replaces it with a 15% bonus. Correct?
Correct. The Siege Warfare Mindlink SECONDARY benefit is that it replaces Siege Warfare skill bonus (2% Shield Increase per Skill Level) with a straight 15%. This is in addition to the 50% increase of the command bonus of the siege warfare modules. |
Kodama Ikari
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
14
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Posted - 2013.03.01 21:46:00 -
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just don't ask for your sp to be refunded when offgrid boosting gets nerfed. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
243
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:58:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Akturous wrote:You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked. My understanding is that the Seige Warfare skill offers 10% bonus, the Seige Mindlink replaces it with a 15% bonus. Correct? The T2 links will provide you with: Boosts to resists of 12.5%, with the Shield harmonizing Reduces the cycle time of shield boosters by 12.5%, with Active Shielding Reduces the capacitor needed for boosters by 12.5%, With Shield Efficiency (Important to note that if you run the Active Shielding without the Shield Efficiency some cap stable fits will become unstable.)
The Mindlink will give you an additional 50% on those boosts, adding 6.25% on top of the 12.5% for a total of 18.75%. And the ships skill will increase them by another 3% per level for the Vulture command ship or 5% per level with a Tengu (until CCP changes that very soon).
The 15% Command ships boost to command links can be added to the original modifier, adding 1.875% effectiveness to the Links: Or 25% for the Tengu or 3.125% on top of the original link.
So 12.5%(Command Links) + 6.25%(Mindlink) + 1.85%(Vulture) = 20.5% (give or take) and 21.87% with Tengu booster, more effective modules, considerably more than all but the most ridiculously expensive Officer modules.
Probably why they have a bit of a Nerf coming.
Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
191
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Posted - 2013.03.02 14:35:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Akturous wrote:You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked. My understanding is that the Seige Warfare skill offers 10% bonus, the Seige Mindlink replaces it with a 15% bonus. Correct? The T2 links will provide you with: Boosts to resists of 12.5%, with the Shield harmonizing Reduces the cycle time of shield boosters by 12.5%, with Active Shielding Reduces the capacitor needed for boosters by 12.5%, With Shield Efficiency (Important to note that if you run the Active Shielding without the Shield Efficiency some cap stable fits will become unstable.) The Mindlink will give you an additional 50% on those boosts, adding 6.25% on top of the 12.5% for a total of 18.75%. And the ships skill will increase them by another 3% per level for the Vulture command ship or 5% per level with a Tengu (until CCP changes that very soon). The 15% Command ships boost to command links can be added to the original modifier, adding 1.875% effectiveness to the Links: Or 25% for the Tengu or 3.125% on top of the original link. So 12.5%(Command Links) + 6.25%(Mindlink) + 1.85%(Vulture) = 20.5% (give or take) and 21.87% with Tengu booster, more effective modules, considerably more than all but the most ridiculously expensive Officer modules. Probably why they have a bit of a Nerf coming.
You are forgetting the warfare link specialist bonus (extra 50% boost on top of what you already have).
So assuming no skills, a t2 shield harmonizing link gives 2.5% bonus. Taking seige warfare specialist to lvl 5 takes you to 12.5%. Adding warfare link specialist, 50% bonus to link effectiveness: 18.75% Adding in mindlink: 28.125% running all the above in a vulture: 32.3% running all of the above in a tengu: 35.15%
So, yeah. Having a tengu with max skilled booster and mindlink is like adding a CN invuln to your ship. The total increase between running with no links and running with a full set of links is close to 100% (depending upon how stack nerfed the resists are). |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
243
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Posted - 2013.03.02 15:41:00 -
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Arazel Chainfire wrote:Goldiiee wrote:John Ratcliffe wrote:Akturous wrote:You only get shield HP from the Siege Warfare skill and the mindlink, you don't get any shield from the links.
Your booster must be in squad cmd position with the squad booster role and you must be a squad member in that squad. You must both be undocked in the same system and uncloaked. My understanding is that the Seige Warfare skill offers 10% bonus, the Seige Mindlink replaces it with a 15% bonus. Correct? The T2 links will provide you with: Boosts to resists of 12.5%, with the Shield harmonizing Reduces the cycle time of shield boosters by 12.5%, with Active Shielding Reduces the capacitor needed for boosters by 12.5%, With Shield Efficiency (Important to note that if you run the Active Shielding without the Shield Efficiency some cap stable fits will become unstable.) The Mindlink will give you an additional 50% on those boosts, adding 6.25% on top of the 12.5% for a total of 18.75%. And the ships skill will increase them by another 3% per level for the Vulture command ship or 5% per level with a Tengu (until CCP changes that very soon). The 15% Command ships boost to command links can be added to the original modifier, adding 1.875% effectiveness to the Links: Or 25% for the Tengu or 3.125% on top of the original link. So 12.5%(Command Links) + 6.25%(Mindlink) + 1.85%(Vulture) = 20.5% (give or take) and 21.87% with Tengu booster, more effective modules, considerably more than all but the most ridiculously expensive Officer modules. Probably why they have a bit of a Nerf coming. You are forgetting the warfare link specialist bonus (extra 50% boost on top of what you already have). So assuming no skills, a t2 shield harmonizing link gives 2.5% bonus. Taking seige warfare specialist to lvl 5 takes you to 12.5%. Adding warfare link specialist, 50% bonus to link effectiveness: 18.75% Adding in mindlink: 28.125% running all the above in a vulture: 32.3% running all of the above in a tengu: 35.15% So, yeah. Having a tengu with max skilled booster and mindlink is like adding a CN invuln to your ship. The total increase between running with no links and running with a full set of links is close to 100% (depending upon how stack nerfed the resists are). My figures might be a little off but not that much the exact wording on the Mindlink is:
50% increase to the command bonus of Siege Warfare Link modules.
Replaces Siege Warfare skill bonus with fixed 15% shield HP bonus.
So the skill for Links is no longer figured into the total bonus, but of course you cant use it till you skill them all the way, so it's a mute point.
Primarily I know a 60% resist becomes a 70% resist when I turn on my Vulture Booster, and the cycle times of remote reps drops from 4.5s to 3.2s a decent Boost for 6 months of training, Plex, and logistics. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
609
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:12:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Kasutra wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I like how people throw billions of isk on lvl 4's when you can do them in a t2 fitted BS... It's not about the ISK. It's about sending a message. Back when I was running L4s, I'd have expected a 2-3 billion ISK fit to net me 80-100M ISK/hr (in high sec). A regular T2 fit on a T1 BS wasn't getting anywhere near that, topping out at maybe 40M ISK/hr. So is dropping 2 billion ISK now and doubling my income a good choice? Yeah, probably. But, the question should be: why the hell do people run L4 missions in the first place... there are so many better choices. -Liang
A faction fitted machariel does NOT finish missions twice as fast as a t2 fitted.
Not even close. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
243
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:27:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:
A faction fitted machariel does NOT finish missions twice as fast as a t2 fitted.
Not even close.
My expierience has been that my 1400 dps Faction fitted Machariel finishes missions faster than a 1000 dps T2 Varient.
Might not be twice as fast but it is certaintly faster. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
212
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Posted - 2013.03.02 20:11:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:
A faction fitted machariel does NOT finish missions twice as fast as a t2 fitted.
Not even close.
My expierience has been that my 1400 dps Faction fitted Machariel finishes missions faster than a 1000 dps T2 Varient. Might not be twice as fast but it is certaintly faster.
What, a T2 mach can't use implants like your 1400 Mach? |
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