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Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
698
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Posted - 2013.03.01 17:47:00 -
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I often have debates with the other Summit Moderators and Patrons (and ex patrons) regarding the role and need for capsuleer moderation in the channel to promote an enriching gathering space for all of you.
There is an opinion that a firm hand and a well-defined rule set is needed, what with the increasing amount of idiots who cannot control themselves.
There is another opinion that much of the idiotic behavior is merely in reaction and emotional opposition to those rules for the sake of being unruly, or the result of personal grudges.
Let us conduct an experiment and see the results. Either the rule-centric and firm hand model will be validated, or an alternative approach will prove viable as well.
We will create a new capsuleer channel this weekend (( Name will be Forthcoming )).
We will leave it open for two to three weeks.
Channel Rules and Goals are simple and as follow:
A) To provide and promote a capsuleer meeting space to exchange ideas, converse, debate, etc, essentially identical to the goals of The Summit.
Rules
1. Don't be a sh*t. If you feel a need to use foul language, make threats, act in a certain way, you do what you need to do. HOWEVER if myself, or a majority of the patrons feel you are sh*tting up the channel with your nonsense you will be banned, no questions asked, no recourses.
There are no 'specific' rules to bend or break or push. If you act a fool then you run the risk of being removed, plain and simple. It will be up to patrons to choose if acting in a certain way or displaying certain things either CONTRIBUTES or DETRACTS from the group experience.
There is no MOD SHIELD. If you dislike how someone is acting, block them, and as the kids say, HTFU.
So, will we find people can behave themselves and act accordingly? Or will the lack of rules and regulations fail, and validate the need for strong social controls?
Results will be up to you! Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Niraia
Tei-Su Acquisitions Tei-Su Syndicate
137
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:19:00 -
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I predict this will be a failure which Summit moderators will use as an example any time anyone complains about their heavy-handed overly-authoritative backwards moderation that frequently gets in the way of good conversation for no good reason.
If this wasn't designed to fail, I suspect you'd leave it open for longer than a few weeks. Who wants to join a channel they know will disappear?
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em Co-Owner and Chief of Security |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
699
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:21:00 -
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Niraia wrote:I predict this will be a failure which Summit moderators will use as an example any time anyone complains about their heavy-handed overly-authoritative backwards moderation that frequently gets in the way of good conversation for no good reason.
If this wasn't designed to fail, I suspect you'd leave it open for longer than a few weeks. Who wants to join a channel they know will disappear?
If you wish the experiment not to be a failure, then encourage participation and constructive behavior. Starting off with this sort of thing is not likely to garner interest from a variety of people yes?
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
699
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:24:00 -
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Niraia wrote:I predict this will be a failure which Summit moderators will use as an example any time anyone complains about their heavy-handed overly-authoritative backwards moderation that frequently gets in the way of good conversation for no good reason.
If this wasn't designed to fail, I suspect you'd leave it open for longer than a few weeks. Who wants to join a channel they know will disappear?
Again if you have grievances with the way things are done in that channel, prove them wrong in this one.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Cynthia Gallente
Buns United
1616
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:25:00 -
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I am interested in this experiment, but I am also a little concerned.
The Summit does not have clearly defined rules, nor does it sound like this mysterious new channel will have clearly defined rules.
It will become a very similar sort of thing where certain people performing certain actions, or saying certain things, will be acceptable, while others who do the same will be found unacceptable.
I pray that I am wrong with my assumptions, but what you describe seems to indicate that. Post with your lickGäó |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
312
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:25:00 -
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Niraia wrote:If this wasn't designed to fail, I suspect you'd leave it open for longer than a few weeks. Who wants to join a channel they know will disappear?
Actually, every experiment has to have a deadline in which results will be analyzed and conclusions drawn. I won't go to this channel because captain Vitalia set it up, but it is an interesting experiment. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
701
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:28:00 -
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Cynthia Gallente wrote:I am interested in this experiment, but I am also a little concerned.
The Summit does not have clearly defined rules, nor does it sound like this mysterious new channel will have clearly defined rules.
It will become a very similar sort of thing where certain people performing certain actions, or saying certain things, will be acceptable, while others who do the same will be found unacceptable.
I pray that I am wrong with my assumptions, but what you describe seems to indicate that.
Then again, this is your chance to prove such claims wrong, by participating and putting peer pressure on participants to maintain an open and welcoming environment. Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
701
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:30:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Niraia wrote:If this wasn't designed to fail, I suspect you'd leave it open for longer than a few weeks. Who wants to join a channel they know will disappear? Actually, every experiment has to have a deadline in which results will be analyzed and conclusions drawn. I won't go to this channel because captain Vitalia set it up, but it is an interesting experiment.
The channel is not political, and I'm merely the creator.
ALL ARE WELCOME.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Cynthia Gallente
Buns United
1616
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:30:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Cynthia Gallente wrote:I am interested in this experiment, but I am also a little concerned.
The Summit does not have clearly defined rules, nor does it sound like this mysterious new channel will have clearly defined rules.
It will become a very similar sort of thing where certain people performing certain actions, or saying certain things, will be acceptable, while others who do the same will be found unacceptable.
I pray that I am wrong with my assumptions, but what you describe seems to indicate that. Then again, this is your chance to prove such claims wrong, by participating and putting peer pressure on participants to maintain an open and welcoming environment. As I said, I am looking forward to this experiment and shall be participating wholeheartedly. Post with your lickGäó |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
84
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:31:00 -
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Interesting. The only criticism I might have is that the "a majority of the patrons feel you are sh*tting up the channel with your nonsense you will be banned" bit opens up for this to be just another popularity contest or that it'll turn out to become a circlejerk in the end. Of course, it might not. This could be the start of something beautiful.
Or a cornucopia of stupid. Or beautiful. ... maybe a beautiful cornucopia of stupid.
I'm going to need drugs for this. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
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Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
312
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:34:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:The channel is not political, and I'm merely the creator.
ALL ARE WELCOME.
Yes, I understood as much when you said it was a reflection of The Summit. Still, going to pass, don't like seeing blooder faces too much. If at all. Can't help it elsewhere, but at least not increase the amount of exposition to your kind. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
84
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:37:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:The channel is not political, and I'm merely the creator.
ALL ARE WELCOME. Yes, I understood as much when you said it was a reflection of The Summit. Still, going to pass, don't like seeing blooder faces too much. If at all. Can't help it elsewhere, but at least not increase the amount of exposition to your kind.
Oh come now, a Silly Vitty Bikky isn't going to hurt you. Much. I think. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
312
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:40:00 -
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You know not what you speak of, captain Otsito. You would do well not to give them the chance to prove you wrong. They're good at it. Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Initiate Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
84
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:44:00 -
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Bah, they're no crazier than the rest of the Empire. More violent in the case of the raiders, but pirates will be pirates. As much as I make fun of the faithful, the Sani Bikkies are no better nor worse than any other religious group and all the nations struggle with overly violent pirate infestations. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Niraia
Tei-Su Acquisitions Tei-Su Syndicate
137
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:49:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:If you wish the experiment not to be a failure, then encourage participation and constructive behavior. Starting off with this sort of thing is not likely to garner interest from a variety of people yes?
If you want to improve things, you could always resign and make this "experiment" a permanent channel. I'd be interested in helping you then, but I have no interest in helping The Summit.
I've tried, but their problems will persist while the ownership supports the disproportionate actions and personal bias of moderators who are only interested in moderating for the sake of their egos.
Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em Co-Owner and Chief of Security |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
702
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Posted - 2013.03.01 18:56:00 -
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Niraia wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:If you wish the experiment not to be a failure, then encourage participation and constructive behavior. Starting off with this sort of thing is not likely to garner interest from a variety of people yes?
If you want to improve things, you could always resign and make this "experiment" a permanent channel. I'd be interested in helping you then, but I have no interest in helping The Summit. I've tried, but their problems will persist while the ownership supports the disproportionate actions and personal bias of moderators who are only interested in moderating for the sake of their egos.
This will absolutely be a permanent channel I will keep open if it proves successful.
There will be no other moderators, and I will rarely be in-pod to monitor the channel.
IE attendees will be on their own to settle their own issues, block people they don't want to speak to, and keep things running constructively.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
84
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Posted - 2013.03.01 19:03:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: IE attendees will be on their own to settle their own issues, block people they don't want to speak to, and keep things running constructively.
Don't forget wardecs. Oh, no wait... they never work. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3364
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Posted - 2013.03.01 19:40:00 -
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Well this seems like it could be interesting.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Halete
Alexylva Paradox
685
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:39:00 -
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If Silas' involvement is in anyway indicative of the turn-out of this channel, I predict that many more Capsuleers will seek to resolve disagreements through action and not mudslinging. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
702
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:42:00 -
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Halete wrote:If Silas' involvement is in anyway indicative of the turn-out of this channel, I predict that many more Capsuleers will seek to resolve disagreements through action and not mudslinging.
Not so. I'm merely providing the venue.
People will choose to conduct themselves appropriately or they won't.
They will choose to solve any problems on their own or they won't.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1511
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:45:00 -
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I wish you the very best of luck in your experiment and will watch the results. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
687
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:46:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: People will choose to conduct themselves appropriately or they won't.
They will choose to solve any problems on their own or they won't.
We had that once, before we redeployed to Anoikis.
Legend has it that man called it 'Local', and it sucked.
Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1266
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:51:00 -
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I may connect just to watch the fireworks, but I don't expect this to go anywhere good. Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
702
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:55:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:I may connect just to watch the fireworks, but I don't expect this to go anywhere good.
You are cordially invited Oniseki.
And the only fireworks will be those that people bring in with them.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1511
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:57:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:I may connect just to watch the fireworks, but I don't expect this to go anywhere good. You are cordially invited Oniseki. And the only fireworks will be those that people bring in with them.
I believe that Katrina is indicating that people are going to be bringing in weapons grade fireworks. |
Cynthia Gallente
Buns United
1616
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:58:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:I may connect just to watch the fireworks, but I don't expect this to go anywhere good. You are cordially invited Oniseki. And the only fireworks will be those that people bring in with them. I believe that Katrina is indicating that people are going to be bringing in weapons grade fireworks. I'm actually running a good deal on those right now. I'll bring some if there are any left after the sale. Post with your lickGäó |
Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
143
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:19:00 -
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Rule 1 is an invitation for the elitists from The Summit to simply show up and vote people out, thus ensuring failure and allowing them to trumpet their own superiority.
Of course, if they ruin it to save their own hegemony over a certain segment of capsuleer interaction, I trust plenty of people will be interested in placing bounties on the offending parties. Feel free to place them anonymously with Discreet Bounties. I am currently charging no transaction fees for my services. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
702
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Posted - 2013.03.01 22:42:00 -
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Derek Quaid wrote:Rule 1 is an invitation for the elitists from The Summit to simply show up and vote people out, thus ensuring failure and allowing them to trumpet their own superiority.
Of course, if they ruin it to save their own hegemony over a certain segment of capsuleer interaction, I trust plenty of people will be interested in placing bounties on the offending parties. Feel free to place them anonymously with Discreet Bounties. I am currently charging no transaction fees for my services.
No one is voting anyone out, and no one has moderator rights. The buck stops with me. If enough people feel a certain way and I agree then that is that.
Actions have consequences so people should consider if their conduct or the way they treat others will have social repercussions, etc. Just because a group of people don't like another group of people does not mean the slightest bit of anything will happen.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
289
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:03:00 -
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Oh look, a Sani Sabik attempting to apply 'survival of the fittest' to a channel filled with capsuleers.
Welcome to the jungle. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
702
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Posted - 2013.03.01 23:05:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Oh look, a Sani Sabik attempting to apply 'survival of the fittest' to a channel filled with capsuleers.
Welcome to the jungle.
Actually you toad, even you and the rest of PIE are welcome, in all sincerity.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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