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Zyshh
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:17:00 -
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Behold... the "Age of Cheap Ships" is just about upon us.
As the "Ret Generation" cheerfully gobbles up asteroid fields hither and yon, in easily replaced and cheap barges, the price of Trit has begun it's tumble in Jita.
Ganks might be a little rarer (or practically non-existent, depending on who's "expert" opinion makes you all warm and tingly) but hey, player subscriptions are UP and that amazing Alt-buddy deal has meant nothing but AFK mining goodness.
So rejoice, denizens of New Eden, rejoice. The heady days of overpriced mins are over... right ?
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Alara IonStorm
4337
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:19:00 -
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Sorry what exactly?
When I started Tier 1 Battleships were 50mil, Tier 2 Battlecruisers were 26mil.
The new barges have been out for months and prices are holding steady at close to double what they were in 2010, what is bringing on this cheaper ship craze? |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
987
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:26:00 -
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Great, when prices go down again, the next step in the loot nerf can come and they no longer drop modules but BPCs that need to be built into meta items with minerals.
After that comes the removal of static belts and dynamic depletion mechanics for ore availability by system strain. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |
Whitehound
1079
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:53:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Sorry what exactly?
When I started Tier 1 Battleships were 50mil, Tier 2 Battlecruisers were 26mil.
The new barges have been out for months and prices are holding steady at close to double what they were in 2010, what is bringing on this cheaper ship craze? Patience, we will get there in a few months. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13067
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Posted - 2013.03.02 18:58:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Sorry what exactly?
When I started Tier 1 Battleships were 50mil, Tier 2 Battlecruisers were 26mil.
The new barges have been out for months and prices are holding steady at close to double what they were in 2010, what is bringing on this cheaper ship craze? Pff. N00b. When I started, Tier 1 BSs were 100M and Tier 2 BCs were 50MGǪ and another 50M to rigGǪ and another 30M to fit.
They're already cheap as chips. Then again, back then, trit sold for 2.5 ISK a pop as wellGǪ Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
397
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:00:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Great, when prices go down again, the next step in the loot nerf can come and they no longer drop modules but BPCs that need to be built into meta items with minerals. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Abrazzar wrote:After that comes the removal of static belts and dynamic depletion mechanics for ore availability by system strain. Whoa, there hoss, let's not get ahead of yourself here. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Whitehound
1079
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:06:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Abrazzar wrote:After that comes the removal of static belts and dynamic depletion mechanics for ore availability by system strain. Whoa, there hoss, let's not get ahead of yourself here. AFAIK are the belts not static. These do already respond to heavy mining by respawning weaker asteroids once they get mined out and start growing again when left untouched. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
8
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Sorry what exactly?
When I started Tier 1 Battleships were 50mil, Tier 2 Battlecruisers were 26mil.
The new barges have been out for months and prices are holding steady at close to double what they were in 2010, what is bringing on this cheaper ship craze? Pff. N00b. When I started, Tier 1 BSs were 100M and Tier 2 BCs were 50MGǪ and another 50M to rigGǪ and another 30M to fit. They're already cheap as chips. Then again, back then, trit sold for 2.5 ISK a pop as wellGǪ Pfft, n00b. When I started tier 1 BSs sold for like 60m and BCs didn't exist. Trit was 1 ISK. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
Alara IonStorm
4337
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Pff. N00b. When I started, Tier 1 BSs were 100M and Tier 2 BCs were 50MGǪ and another 50M to rigGǪ and another 30M to fit. The good ol days when EVE was played on a manual typewriter hooked up to a telegraph machine. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
8
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:16:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tippia wrote:Pff. N00b. When I started, Tier 1 BSs were 100M and Tier 2 BCs were 50MGǪ and another 50M to rigGǪ and another 30M to fit. The good ol days when EVE was played on a manual typewriter hooked up to a telegraph machine. When I started all we had was carrier pigeons and notes written with quills. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:18:00 -
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And here I though cheap Mins were the slaves I got for a good price. |
stoicfaux
2470
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:23:00 -
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The Moa looked teh sexy on a teletype. Not sure what happened to it when Eve transitioned to CGA graphics.
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EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
563
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:27:00 -
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Excess supply and cheap prices are increasingly making this game pointless. When ships cost nothing to lose, you're essentially removing consequence from the game.
It also makes it difficult for casual players to enjoy mining if they have to compete with so many different people. |
Alara IonStorm
4338
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:27:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: The good ol days when EVE was played on a manual typewriter hooked up to a telegraph machine.
When I started all we had was carrier pigeons. More elegant times to be sure.
Dear Dongsmacker 76
I Commodore Jensaro hereby state that as of now with intentions of hostility I am opening fire on your position immediately and inviting several of my comrades in arms to do likewise. My Flagship the Redoubtable an Omen class vessel has pelted your vessel currently unknown in name of the Badger class with five Cannons of Tech Two Roundshot. I have also launched several unmanned radio controlled attack rockets of the Warrior class.
I shall cease hostility towards you if you surrender five hundred thousand in space credits to be enclosed in your next communique. I eagerly await your answer in the four days allotted to you for reply.
Yours Jensaro Koraka |
Whitehound
1080
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Posted - 2013.03.02 19:34:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Excess supply and cheap prices are increasingly making this game pointless. When ships cost nothing to lose, you're essentially removing consequence from the game.
It also makes it difficult for casual players to enjoy mining if they have to compete with so many different people. LOL, you are ridiculous. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
289
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Posted - 2013.03.02 20:39:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:More elegant times to be sure.
Dear Dongsmacker 76
I Commodore Jensaro hereby state that as of now with intentions of hostility I am opening fire on your position immediately and inviting several of my comrades in arms to do likewise. My Flagship the Redoubtable an Omen class vessel has pelted your vessel currently unknown in name of the Badger class with five Cannons of Tech Two Roundshot. I have also launched several unmanned radio controlled attack rockets of the Warrior class.
I shall cease hostility towards you if you surrender five hundred thousand in space credits to be enclosed in your next communique. I eagerly await your answer in the four days allotted to you for reply.
Yours Jensaro Koraka
Dear Commodore Jensaro,
As Leutenant Dongsmacker 76, of the Badger class vessel Rat Trap, I must inform you that It is not you have me, it is I that have you. I have entangled your ship with a web of grapling hooks, rendered your propulsion system inoperable by jamming your screws, and lit a beacon to summon the rest of my pirate hunting friends. The only reason that I ride so low in the water is not that I carry so much cargo, it is that I have armored and fortified my hull against most attacks, and you would be hard pressed to sink me before my friends arrive and dispatch you.
Good day to you sir You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Jensaro Koraka
Hidden Squid Society
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Posted - 2013.03.02 22:17:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Jensaro Koraka wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote: The good ol days when EVE was played on a manual typewriter hooked up to a telegraph machine.
When I started all we had was carrier pigeons. More elegant times to be sure. Dear Dongsmacker 76 I Commodore Jensaro hereby state that as of now with intentions of hostility I am opening fire on your position immediately and inviting several of my comrades in arms to do likewise. My Flagship the Redoubtable an Omen class vessel has pelted your vessel currently unknown in name of the Badger class with five Cannons of Tech Two Roundshot. I have also launched several unmanned radio controlled attack rockets of the Warrior class. I shall cease hostility towards you if you surrender five hundred thousand in space credits to be enclosed in your next communique. I eagerly await your answer in the four days allotted to you for reply. Yours Jensaro Koraka You forgot the "YAARRRR!".
Falin Whalen wrote: Dear Commodore Jensaro,
As Lieutenant Dongsmacker 76, of the Badger class vessel Rat Trap, I must inform you that It is not you that have me, it is I that have you. I have entangled your ship with a web of grapling hooks, rendered your propulsion system inoperable by jamming your screws, and lit a beacon to summon a full squadron of my pirate hunting friends. The only reason that I ride so low in the water is not that I carry so much cargo, it is that I have armored and fortified my hull against most attacks, and you would be hard pressed to sink me before my friends arrive and dispatch you.
Good day to you sir
/me ties the grappling hooks to the ship, moves all the missiles next to the self destruct powder keg, lights the fuse and orbits at 500.
Edit: This made me picture a Spelljammer MMO and I got the weirdest boner... "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
306
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:01:00 -
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Pffffffffffffff..... baseless fearmongering, I say !
Next thing you know, the lunatic fringe will be claiming there's actually meat in Icelandic meat pies ! ! ! Scandalous !
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:10:00 -
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YARRRRR! You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
62
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:27:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:More elegant times to be sure.
Dear Dongsmacker 76
I Commodore Jensaro hereby state that as of now with intentions of hostility I am opening fire on your position immediately and inviting several of my comrades in arms to do likewise. My Flagship the Redoubtable an Omen class vessel has pelted your vessel currently unknown in name of the Badger class with five Cannons of Tech Two Roundshot. I have also launched several unmanned radio controlled attack rockets of the Warrior class.
I shall cease hostility towards you if you surrender five hundred thousand in space credits to be enclosed in your next communique. I eagerly await your answer in the four days allotted to you for reply.
Yours Jensaro Koraka Dear Commodore Jensaro, As Lieutenant Dongsmacker 76, of the Badger class vessel Rat Trap, I must inform you that It is not you that have me, it is I that have you. I have entangled your ship with a web of grapling hooks, rendered your propulsion system inoperable by jamming your screws, and lit a beacon to summon a full squadron of my pirate hunting friends. The only reason that I ride so low in the water is not that I carry so much cargo, it is that I have armored and fortified my hull against most attacks, and you would be hard pressed to sink me before my friends arrive and dispatch you. Good day to you sir
It should be in the EULA that all characters must speak like this. That was beautiful
This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
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Dave Stark
1882
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:36:00 -
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what if prices aren't falling, they're simply actually finding an equilibrium price after 12 months of loot changes, and tiericide speculation rather than anything to do with the supply of minerals, and the amount of mining being done?
i know, crazy. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
313
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Posted - 2013.03.02 23:52:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:EI Digin wrote:Excess supply and cheap prices are increasingly making this game pointless. When ships cost nothing to lose, you're essentially removing consequence from the game.
It also makes it difficult for casual players to enjoy mining if they have to compete with so many different people. LOL, you are ridiculous. I wanted to elaborate on this at first. But this nice 4 word summary is good enough . Remove insurance. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
495
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Posted - 2013.03.03 02:35:00 -
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Dear Jensaro,
This is CONCORD Major Payne, commodore of the Baboom Wing, flying in it's flagship WTFBBQ. As you are in violation of the interstellar concordand treaty of Y109, section 4 - B, paragraphs 7 through 11, and in accordance with the treaty of Y110, sections 2, 7 and 9 of the Yulai conventions, we have launched our Bacon Fry missiles at your ship, which will be eradicated shortly. We have also informed your insurance company of these transgressions, for which they have nullified your insurance claim to your ship, the Omen class vessel named 'Redoubtable', registration 45-BA and anything onboard. Also, Commodore Dongsmacker 76, I would hereby like to inform you that as your ill advised provocation of this situation, along with the fact I was just having my coffee and donuts as this call came in, we have decided to also launch Bacon Fry missiles at your vessel, the Rat Trap, please enjoy your weapons demonstration as a sign of our decidation to insuring the safety of these spacelanes. We also intercepted your signal, informing Commodore Jensaro of your intention to escalate these hostilities by bringing several more ship in through a cynosural beacon, we have initiated a reverse harmonic Cynosural jam pulse, thus sending your squadron of vigilantes into the depths of space unknown.
Have a pleasant day, and remember, CONCORD Protects! |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
229
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Posted - 2013.03.03 08:26:00 -
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Zyshh wrote:Behold... the "Age of Cheap Ships" is just about upon us. As the "Ret Generation" cheerfully gobbles up asteroid fields hither and yon, in easily replaced and cheap barges, the price of Trit has begun it's tumble in Jita. Ganks might be a little rarer (or practically non-existent, depending on who's "expert" opinion makes you all warm and tingly) but hey, player subscriptions are UP and that amazing Alt-buddy deal has meant nothing but AFK mining goodness. So rejoice, denizens of New Eden, rejoice. The heady days of overpriced mins are over... right ?
I don't think we will ever see pre-inferno ship prices again, before last spring MOST high ends came from drone alloys so lovingly harvested by hundreds if not thousands of ratting bots in the drone regions (the usual setup was 2 ravens + 1 badger per system hoovering up drone poop 23/7). Reprocessed T1 meta 0 modules also provided a decent chunk of highends (mostly coming from highsec mission runners).
In the post-inferno world highends actually have to be mined either in nullsec or wormholes and you can usually only find them in grav sites.
you will have to go quite a bit cheaper to come even close to pre-inferno. Back then a tier 3 BS cost about 130mil, now they approach 300mil for just the hull. In that same timespan the price on T2 ships has remained consistent, a HAC used to cost a bit more than a tier 3 BS but now you can just about get 2 HACs for the cost of a Rokh, Maelstrom or Abbadon.
When prices were at their highest a fully fit tier Rokh or Abbadon could almost rival the cost of a fully fit Tengu or Loki. |
Whitehound
1086
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Posted - 2013.03.03 08:31:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:I don't think we will ever see pre-inferno ship prices again, before last spring MOST high ends came from drone alloys so lovingly harvested by hundreds if not thousands of ratting bots in the drone regions (the usual setup was 2 ravens + 1 badger per system hoovering up drone poop 23/7). Reprocessed T1 meta 0 modules also provided a decent chunk of highends (mostly coming from highsec mission runners).
In the post-inferno world highends actually have to be mined either in nullsec or wormholes and you can usually only find them in grav sites. We are currently seeing trade volumes for Tritanium as they were almost 2 years ago, when the price for Tritanium was 3.50 ISK.
It does not matter where it is coming from, botters or honest miners, when all that matters is that it is coming. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Skorpynekomimi
466
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Posted - 2013.03.03 08:45:00 -
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I don't care, really. If I still make a profit between buying minerals and selling manufactured goods, I'm good. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:34:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:I don't care, really. If I still make a profit between buying minerals and selling manufactured goods, I'm good.
This... because the Ferengi had it right.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
658
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:02:00 -
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Jensaro Koraka wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Tippia wrote:Pff. N00b. When I started, Tier 1 BSs were 100M and Tier 2 BCs were 50MGǪ and another 50M to rigGǪ and another 30M to fit. The good ol days when EVE was played on a manual typewriter hooked up to a telegraph machine. When I started all we had was carrier pigeons and notes written with quills.
pfffft when Grandpa Bill started all he had was smoke signals & Drums... notes where written on caves walls or chisled in stone Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
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